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I would argue that Ronda is not, in fact, the Ronda of this generation
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I just mean you can't compare her to Royce or Fedor because it just doesn't apply
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Oct 7, 2015 21:11
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I think Ronda could probably beat some of Fedor's PRIDE opponents. Choi Hong-Man might be a giant but he ain't exactly manoeuvrable.
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Oct 7, 2015 21:13
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-Atom- posted:Ronda is the Ronda of this generation. She put it best when she rematched Miesha and said "I'm an Olympic athlete, and she's a high school wrestler." Though tbf the high school wrestler did much better than the Olympic wrestler.
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Oct 7, 2015 21:14
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People like to draw parallels, and the Fedor comparison is closer than Royce. Both dominated their respective organizations at the time, but Fedor did it against much more well rounded competition (and yes, against some cans, too). Sure, there are plenty of differences though, and any comparison is bound to be flawed. Ronda is obviously leaps and bounds ahead of any of her contenders, in ways we haven't seen in recent times. I'd like to see Holm at least make the fight competitive, maybe use her footwork and TDD to at least force Ronda into, I don't know, breaking a sweat? It's hard to see a way through it for her though, and hard not to see Ronda bullying her way in, throwing her to the ground and submitting her in the first round. Maybe she'll try to prove something though and decide to stand and trade.
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Oct 7, 2015 21:24
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Lloyd Boner posted:Though tbf the high school wrestler did much better than the Olympic wrestler. McMann turned into a wet fart when it comes to MMA which is a bit sad. It was cool to have another fighter with an Olympic pedigree.
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Trast posted:McMann turned into a wet fart when it comes to MMA which is a bit sad. It was cool to have another fighter with an Olympic pedigree. She decided convenience was more important than moving to an actual good camp.
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Oct 7, 2015 21:38
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Surely ronda is the yoshida. Judo, insanely popular, handsome, etc.
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Chain_of_Dogs posted:People like to draw parallels, and the Fedor comparison is closer than Royce. Both dominated their respective organizations at the time, but Fedor did it against much more well rounded competition (and yes, against some cans, too). Sure, there are plenty of differences though, and any comparison is bound to be flawed. In the sense that most of Fedor's opponents were very round, yes. Because they were fat. But no, they weren't well rounded. He was pretty much the only well rounded heavyweight.
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Oct 7, 2015 23:00
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CommonShore posted:HW has two great fighters, one pretty good but declining fighter with multiple losses to one of the great ones, an old man on a winning streak, and a garbage fire. The best part of this is how literally no one remembers Miocic.
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Chain_of_Dogs posted:People like to draw parallels, and the Fedor comparison is closer than Royce. Both dominated their respective organizations at the time, but Fedor did it against much more well rounded competition (and yes, against some cans, too). Sure, there are plenty of differences though, and any comparison is bound to be flawed. i agree that most wmma fighters are on the level on zuluzinho
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Foul Fowl posted:i agree that most wmma fighters are on the level on zuluzinho Zuluzinho's got bigger titties though.
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JuanGoat posted:The best part of this is how literally no one remembers Miocic. Well, he shouldn't have gotten comprehensively outboxed by Stefan loving Struve, then. The coolest thing about heavyweight is that everyone has kind of a crap resume. Even the top 5 or 6 guys thus far, the most impressive wins on their resumes are primarily each other.
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Snowman_McK posted:Well, he shouldn't have gotten comprehensively outboxed by Stefan loving Struve, then. getting stuck on the end of a 7ft tall man's reach the one time he remembers to use his length is way more excusable than being comprehensively annihilated by chael sonnen for 23 minutes or getting out kick-boxed by jake shields or indeed most low-points of most great fighter's careers
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Marching Powder posted:getting stuck on the end of a 7ft tall man's reach the one time he remembers to use his length is way more excusable than being comprehensively annihilated by chael sonnen for 23 minutes or getting out kick-boxed by jake shields or indeed most low-points of most great fighter's careers Not really. Also, it wasn't much to do with Struve's reach. He got out-boxed on the inside. Even if it hadn't been, it's a hard loss to overlook. Struve has a lot of wins, but they're mostly over people who's best win is Phillip DeFries or something. Miocic is a real outlier in that fight record. It's Struve's best win by a huge margin.
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Marching Powder posted:getting stuck on the end of a 7ft tall man's reach the one time he remembers to use his length is way more excusable than being comprehensively annihilated by chael sonnen for 23 minutes or getting out kick-boxed by jake shields or indeed most low-points of most great fighter's careers Chael was juiced out of his god drat mind in the first Silva fight and would have done that to any other MW in the world at that time. There isn't any shame in what happened there for Silva, especially considering the ending.
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Mr. Nice! posted:Chael was juiced out of his god drat mind in the first Silva fight and would have done that to any other MW in the world at that time. There isn't any shame in what happened there for Silva, especially considering the ending. anderson was juiced out of his mind and looked like dog poo poo against nick diaz and was probably just as juiced as sonnen during that fight Snowman_McK posted:Not really. Also, it wasn't much to do with Struve's reach. He got out-boxed on the inside. Even if it hadn't been, it's a hard loss to overlook. Struve has a lot of wins, but they're mostly over people who's best win is Phillip DeFries or something. Miocic is a real outlier in that fight record. It's Struve's best win by a huge margin. i haven't watched the fight since it happened by i remember miocic winning until a 280lb giant hit him clean in the face at the full length of his reach a few times in a row and has backed that performance up with some absolutely staggering efforts against jds and hunto that bringing that particular fight up as if it in any way defines his career is stupid
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Marching Powder posted:anderson was juiced out of his mind and looked like dog poo poo against nick diaz and was probably just as juiced as sonnen during that fight It was a 250 pound tall guy and it was a bunch of uppercuts and hooks. Nobody who actually takes the sport seriously would say it defines his career. It's an outlier for both fighters, it's also a terrific fight and so it's easy to see why it would pop up in someone's memory quicker than the time he decisioned Roy Nelson or Gonzaga, or the 35 second knockout of Maldonado.
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Snowman_McK posted:It was a 250 pound tall guy and it was a bunch of uppercuts and hooks. Nobody who actually takes the sport seriously would say it defines his career. It's an outlier for both fighters, it's also a terrific fight and so it's easy to see why it would pop up in someone's memory quicker than the time he decisioned JDS and knocked out Mark Hunt? so your saying your comment that i originally responded to was stupid? i agree.
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Mr. Nice! posted:Chael was juiced out of his god drat mind in the first Silva fight and would have done that to any other MW in the world at that time. There isn't any shame in what happened there for Silva, especially considering the ending. Lmao
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Marching Powder posted:so your saying your comment that i originally responded to was stupid? i agree. The Hunt one was a perfect example of how people's memories can be weird. I missed that fight, but all I remember people talking about, even here, was how Hunt looked terrible and the ref screwed up. The narrative was never "Miocic looked good" it was "Hunt looked terrible." The narrative of the JDS fight was "man, JDS sure has lost a step" not "man, Miocic made JDS look like he'd lost a step." We're discussing why he doesn't pop up in people's heads when they talk about the current crop of Heavyweights, not a breakdown of his skillset (which is formidable)
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Chael was also going to completely just destroy Wanderlei and we were all robbed of it regardless of how hilarious what really happened was.
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I think Wanderlei wins the roid off and Chael is only marginally less likely to get popped. Advantage Silva!
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david carmichael posted:Surely ronda is the yoshida. Judo, insanely popular, handsome, etc. the comparison is perfect except yoshida was more famous and better at judo
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Chain_of_Dogs posted:People like to draw parallels, and the Fedor comparison is closer than Royce. Both dominated their respective organizations at the time, but Fedor did it against much more well rounded competition (and yes, against some cans, too). Sure, there are plenty of differences though, and any comparison is bound to be flawed. IIn your mind Fedor fought plenty of well-rounded competition and only "some" cans. laughing on line
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caposa @GrabakaHitman 2h2 hours ago Sportscenter guy: "What can fans who have never watched UFC expect to see at UFC 193?" Joanna J: "They can see blood."
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also fedor was impressive because he was using technique and explosive attacks to beat more talented/physically gifted fighters, the polar opposite of ronda rousey, and most of his credibility came from beating Nogueira, who was an established bad rear end
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The Sphinxster posted:I think Wanderlei wins the roid off and Chael is only marginally less likely to get popped. Advantage Silva! We already got to see exactly what it would look like. Chael doubled him in the gym and had full control over him even if that dada gently caress was smacking him in the back of the head the whole time. Had to go watch it again. Here's a link I found. http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhSV0M5Mhx13In6q7l
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Lord Waffle Beard posted:caposa @GrabakaHitman 2h2 hours ago Joanna Champion is just the best.
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Mr. Nice! posted:We already got to see exactly what it would look like. Chael doubled him in the gym and had full control over him even if that dada gently caress was smacking him in the back of the head the whole time. I still can't work out what's more incredible: How much goodwill Wanderlei burned through or how fast he burned through it.
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-Atom- posted:Joanna Champion is just the best. Also looks like Randa finally got a fight. She's signed to fight Karolina Kowalkiewicz on the Orlando Fight Night Card. I was hoping she'd get a chance to sub Esparza after TUF but a fight is a fight. https://twitter.com/UFC_CA/status/651929619902427136
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That's a rough matchup.
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Good to see that John Dodson is moving up to 135. The Dillashaw rematch is money.
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Trast posted:Also looks like Randa finally got a fight. She's signed to fight Karolina Kowalkiewicz on the Orlando Fight Night Card. I was hoping she'd get a chance to sub Esparza after TUF but a fight is a fight. Glad she finally got a fight. Also apparently she's training at TriStar in Montreal now (instead of in Detroit with Daron Cruickshank and Jessica Eye) so that will probably help her game a lot. e: Apparently Myles Jury vs Charles Oliviera got added to the same card.
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mighty mouse should be the one seeking the handicap of weight at this point. besides uncle creepy who cannot seem to get his poo poo in one sock long enough to warrant a shot at 125 there is not a single compelling challenger left at this weight. let me say though that uncle creepy on his best day would maybe take a round off mighty mouse if they fought now
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Whos after holm btw?
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Nierbo posted:Whos after holm btw? CM Punk
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Nierbo posted:Whos after holm btw? Cyborg
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Just get Leslie Smith on a win streak, however brief. She's likable and durable.
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After the Holm fight I doubt we even see Ronda back until July or August, plenty of time for someone to win 2 in a row.
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