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Riosan posted:Some of these people have never read the Bible, have they? Last time I checked, Jesus didn't exactly kick rear end, take names and threaten people at gunpoint. I guess nobody told them he was a brown Jew living in the Middle East. Jesus was pure so he was white. God made darker people as punishment for their sins.
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Oct 7, 2015 22:14
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alpha_destroy posted:Ummm... Your map is flawed because it doesn't adequately show how Chicago is a hell-scape of violent gun deaths due to gun control. Idiot. It is correct in showing that Johnson County Kansas is more of a hell-scape of violent gun deaths than the hell-scape of brown people that is Jackson County Missouri!
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Oct 7, 2015 22:14
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Riosan posted:Some of these people have never read the Bible, have they? Last time I checked, Jesus didn't exactly kick rear end, take names and threaten people at gunpoint. I guess nobody told them he was a brown Jew living in the Middle East. Who was so pacifistic that he forbid his followers from even defending themselves
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Oct 7, 2015 22:18
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The Iron Rose posted:called it. If NAFTA was really about freedom it would make the Canadian and Mexican borders no different than interstate borders for individuals.
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Oct 7, 2015 22:18
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DemeaninDemon posted:Jesus was pure so he was white. God made darker people as punishment for their sins. You joke, but this is literally what a ton of preachers will tell you the punishment for Cain was since it was made popular in the 1800's and lasted up until about 70-80 years ago.
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Oct 7, 2015 22:19
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A Winner is Jew posted:You joke, but this is literally what a ton of preachers will tell you the punishment for Cain was since it was made popular in the 1800's and lasted up until about 70-80 years ago. I'm not joking though. See: Mormons.
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Oct 7, 2015 22:20
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That's why there's all those lines in the Bible of people asking Jesus why he's so white.
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Oct 7, 2015 22:22
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A Winner is Jew posted:You joke, but this is literally what a ton of preachers will tell you the punishment for Cain was since it was made popular in the 1800's and lasted up until about 70-80 years ago. I thought that was the Curse of Ham.
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Oct 7, 2015 22:24
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Dead Reckoning posted:They're not shaking Toyota down. That whole unit in the Treasury department exists to investigate how terrorist groups fund and supply themselves, and since there isn't a new Japanese car dealership in Raqqa these days, they're asking Toyota to help them figure out how the trucks got from the factory to ISIS territory, like tracing a gun used in a crime. Uh, they kind of took over a couple decently-sized cities and steamrolled a bunch of other militia groups a while back. The answer is that the Mideast isn't some stone-age hellhole and even IS knows that pickup trucks are going to be more useful than sedans for their war rig needs. If someone is shipping cars in and selling them to ISIS then they have FinCEN to investigate the financial trail so they don't need to ask a loving manufacturer what happened to a vehicle after they sent it to a dealer. Granted, Toyota doesn't make guns so expecting some kind of documentation after release to dealers is somewhat reasonable but I'm gonna call it now and say that any cars they're having shipped in are being bought by straw buyers who are slipping through financial intelligence nets in the countries they inhabit. They ought to be asking the individual dealers and banks for their books.
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Oct 7, 2015 22:24
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Captain_Maclaine posted:I thought that was the Curse of Ham. No, that's the curse he gave to the upper class Brits. DCFADP
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Oct 7, 2015 22:25
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I almost wish I owned a gun shop so that I could run a competing promotion where I gave discounts to non-Christians only.
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Oct 7, 2015 22:25
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TheOneAndOnlyT posted:The map you're talking about is gun deaths per 100K population, not total deaths. OH didn't see that.
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Oct 7, 2015 22:26
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alpha_destroy posted:Ummm... Your map is flawed because it doesn't adequately show how Chicago is a hell-scape of violent gun deaths due to gun control. Idiot. It does show how much of a hellscape Gary Indiana is, the city that even people in Chicago view as hellish and avoid.
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Oct 7, 2015 22:26
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Talmonis posted:By all means, regale us with your tales of prosperity brought forth by free trade with countries who have no labor standards. Which is a good reason to support a treaty that would force them to comply with labor standards or face sanctions.
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Oct 7, 2015 22:30
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Trabisnikof posted:Which is a good reason to support a treaty that would force them to comply with labor standards or face sanctions. Which supposedly TPP does and NAFTA never did.
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Oct 7, 2015 22:31
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Alter Ego posted:I almost wish I owned a gun shop so that I could run a competing promotion where I gave discounts to non-Christians only. Not only that, but the publicity from victimized conservatives on Facebook and Freep would bring you instant notoriety!
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Oct 7, 2015 22:33
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Alter Ego posted:I almost wish I owned a gun shop so that I could run a competing promotion where I gave discounts to non-Christians only. I'd buy a gun from a dude who did that. Minority discounts and free range time coupons?
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Oct 7, 2015 22:35
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The Iron Rose posted:called it. drat it owns how hilary supporters have made being principled an attack
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Oct 7, 2015 22:37
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DemeaninDemon posted:I'd buy a gun from a dude who did that. Minority discounts and free range time coupons?  GUN STORE MADRASSAS?!!
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Oct 7, 2015 22:38
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Lessail posted:drat it owns how hilary supporters have made being principled an attack Blind faith to an ideal isn't a very good trait though.
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Oct 7, 2015 22:39
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Captain_Maclaine posted:
It'd be hilarious because it'd be the Baphomet thing all over again. They'd be forced to admit that it's not about persecution but rather about making it so that Christianity is the only religion recognized anywhere.
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Oct 7, 2015 22:40
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Gravel Gravy posted:Blind faith to an ideal isn't a very good trait though. and that person isn't really talking about that 
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Oct 7, 2015 22:42
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Lessail posted:and that person isn't really talking about that The Iron Rose posted:I'd rather a politician who weighs each individual issue on their merits, rather than on blind ideological opposition to free trade and capitalism. Care to elaborate?
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Oct 7, 2015 22:44
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Alter Ego posted:It'd be hilarious because it'd be the Baphomet thing all over again. They'd be forced to admit that it's not about persecution but rather about making it so that Christianity is the only religion recognized anywhere. In my area, I'd be afraid for my safety and would expect harassment of myself and my family. Also the death of the business.
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Oct 7, 2015 22:44
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Kafka Esq. posted:Down with Webster. What chu talkin' 'bout, Willis?
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Oct 7, 2015 22:49
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Riosan posted:Some of these people have never read the Bible, have they? Last time I checked, Jesus didn't exactly kick rear end, take names and threaten people at gunpoint. I guess nobody told them he was a brown Jew living in the Middle East. 
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Oct 7, 2015 22:51
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Like Jesus said: Shoot the other cheek.
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Oct 7, 2015 23:01
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Because Bernie Sanders views on capitalism and income inequality are matters of faith and there haven't been any respectable people or studies that indicate his positions might be a societal good. 
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Oct 7, 2015 23:02
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Alter Ego posted:It'd be hilarious because it'd be the Baphomet thing all over again. They'd be forced to admit that it's not about persecution but rather about making it so that Christianity is the only religion recognized anywhere. Oh, we've already passed that point. The owner originally made his declaration against the backdrop of a Confederate battle flag, because of course he did.
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Oct 7, 2015 23:05
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fknlo posted:Map of gun deaths from 2004-2010 BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Uh, I live(ed) in one of the county's that's red and I don't think there's been 16.4 gun deaths there in the last 50 years, let alone last decade. alpha_destroy posted:Ummm... Your map is flawed because it doesn't adequately show how Chicago is a hell-scape of violent gun deaths due to gun control. Idiot. Hell yeah, gotta lump homicide and suicide together in order to get that convenient looking map. Hey, lets do all suicides:  Looks like virtually the same map. Firearm suicides:  Non-firearm suicides:  Looks like firearms the preferred method of suicide in the midwest and south. Now let's look at firearm homicides:  Oooh, inconvenient. Suddenly Cook County, California, NYC, and the DC-Maryland-Virgina region don't look so nice and blue. "Concealed carry without a license" Vermont looking good though. You can play with the CDC mapping tools at https://wisqars.cdc.gov:8443/cdcMapFramework/mapModuleInterface.jsp, but they're going to tell you the same thing: most firearm deaths are suicides, and firearm homicides are not correlated to strict or lax gun laws. Dead Reckoning fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Oct 7, 2015 |
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Oct 7, 2015 23:07
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Dead Reckoning posted:Hell yeah, gotta lump homicide and suicide together in order to get that convenient looking map. Wow, look at how misleading those categories are. The top category changes from 3-99 to 17-99. So you could turn California red in the last map and it could be blue if you used the scale on the first map. Oooh, inconvenient. If you want to make a point, compare the numbers not the colors, hth.
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Oct 7, 2015 23:12
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Why is the data only up through 2010? I can't remember Anymore but I feel like there were less mass shootings 5 years past.
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Oct 7, 2015 23:16
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RuanGacho posted:Why is the data only up through 2010? Pretty sure Congress' response to all the gun violence was to block the CDC from studying it anymore Basically, if something comes out that the NRA complains about then Congress slashes the CDC's budget by however much it spent researching it
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Oct 7, 2015 23:18
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Dead Reckoning posted:You can play with the CDC mapping tools at https://wisqars.cdc.gov:8443/cdcMapFramework/mapModuleInterface.jsp, but they're going to tell you the same thing: most firearm deaths are suicides, and firearm homicides are not correlated to strict or lax gun laws. Firearm suicides are and suicide rates drop as firearm suicide rates drop because other methods are less efficacious, which is why gun control is properly a matter of public health and why the CDC was studying it but... Epic High Five posted:Pretty sure Congress' response to all the gun violence was to block the CDC from studying it anymore yep, and that ban was renewed this year
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Oct 7, 2015 23:20
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Trabisnikof posted:Wow, look at how misleading those categories are. The point is the contrast. If you look at that "Gun Deaths" map earlier, it's basically a map of the regions of the country where firearms are the preferred method of suicide. Suicide and homicide are driven by different causes, and most gun control proposals do little to address the former.
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Oct 7, 2015 23:22
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Riosan posted:Some of these people have never read the Bible, have they? Last time I checked, Jesus didn't exactly kick rear end, take names and threaten people at gunpoint. I guess nobody told them he was a brown Jew living in the Middle East. People forget the 'if you don't have a sword buy one' line was followed almost right away with 'oh woah ok three of you have swords, that's cool, I'm just doing this so we seem dangerous'.
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Oct 7, 2015 23:23
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Dead Reckoning posted:Hell yeah, gotta lump homicide and suicide together in order to get that convenient looking map. This story is literally just coming out now and is related: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/06/suicide-by-cop-the-counted quote:Disagreement also prevails over whether officially certifying any of these cases as suicides is appropriate. “It can be highly controversial,” Karen Gunson, Oregon’s chief medical examiner, said in an interview. I doubt it has much effect on numbers, but there's some good reading in there about how some lazier cops will actually pressure MEs to report gun deaths as suicides.
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Oct 7, 2015 23:26
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Epic High Five posted:Pretty sure Congress' response to all the gun violence was to block the CDC from studying it anymore UberJew posted:Firearm suicides are and suicide rates drop as firearm suicide rates drop because other methods are less efficacious, which is why gun control is properly a matter of public health and why the CDC was studying it but... That isn't true. The language in the 1996 Omnibus Consolidated Appropriations Bill that "banned gun research" was: "...none of the funds made available for injury prevention and control at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention may be used to advocate or promote gun control." There is no ban on research, just on advocacy, because that's what a few CDC researchers were engaged in at the time. The CDC still collects data on and researches gun violence, which is how we get those charts. Dead Reckoning fucked around with this message at 23:30 on Oct 7, 2015 |
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Let's not pretend like suicide by gun isn't orders of magnitude more lethal than other method. If your suicide attempt is a cry for help, but you use a gun, you ain't getting help.
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