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In a world where marauding hordes of Huns roll through your villages regularly then being armed is probably a good idea.
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:This is actually sometimes advanced as a partial explanation. The theory goes that since civilians weren't allowed to carry swords and poo poo they weren't able to do much against invaders if there weren't regular Roman forces to bail them out. I heard a similar theory that part of why Britain got invaded and overtaken (which it might not have even really been) after Roman occupation was that the inhabitants hadn't been allowed to have weapons and didn't really know how to defend themselves. Then when the Romans left they had to invite non-Britains onto the island to help them out.
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When gladii are proscribed, only the proscribed will have gladii. Wake up, homovēs!
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Oct 6, 2015 04:11
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Look if you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear from Sulla's proscription lists. I mean that literally, if you have NOTHING (including things to hide) then you won't end up on his lists!
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Fork of Unknown Origins posted:I heard a similar theory that part of why Britain got invaded and overtaken (which it might not have even really been) after Roman occupation was that the inhabitants hadn't been allowed to have weapons and didn't really know how to defend themselves. Then when the Romans left they had to invite non-Britains onto the island to help them out. Yeah, we're probably talking about the same theory. Grand Fromage posted:In a world where marauding hordes of Huns roll through your villages regularly then being armed is probably a good idea. Exactly. From what I read it was basically just another thing that wasn't important by itself but in combination with everything else its why the fifth century was such a clusterfuck in the west.
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which ancient culture invented buttsex
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Hogge Wild posted:which ancient culture invented buttsex all of them.
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Hogge Wild posted:which ancient culture invented buttsex The same that invented kissing and fisting.
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Hogge Wild posted:which ancient culture invented buttsex Yours.
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Hogge Wild posted:which ancient culture invented buttsex Your mother's.
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Hogge Wild posted:which ancient culture invented buttsex Your generation I mean can you imagine old people having sex? Super gross.
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I remember some chat about Tom Holland earlier in the thread but I can't remember what it was about. I picked up In The Shadow of the Sword at Half Price Books since I recalled the name from this thread. Is it just pop history about the rise of Islam or is there anything really stupid and wrong I should keep in mind when reading it?
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E. Phone posting mishap, sorry.
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the whole "no swords" theory is insanely stupid, especially for Britain which maintained Roman civilization for at least 75 years after the legions left. Basically the "invasion" of Britain was successful due to subdivisions within the Roman successor states on the island being overwhelmed and no longer being able to field armies.
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A Strange Aeon posted:I remember some chat about Tom Holland earlier in the thread but I can't remember what it was about. I picked up In The Shadow of the Sword at Half Price Books since I recalled the name from this thread. Basically his book on Islam is based on a couple other people's very questionable scholarship. It's not credible. Vincent Van Goatse fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Oct 6, 2015 |
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Holland's other books are pretty good, easy to read, pop history, but the Islam one isn't as well done.
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Bummer I picked up the suspect one, but the subject interested me the most of his books. I'm sure I'll still learn something at least.
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It's taken me years but I've finally started watching I Claudius. I'm 2 episode in and I'm really enjoying it but the underlying theme that Livia is the ultimate puppeteer who is manipulating literally everyone and everything is kind of taking me out of it. I know its based off of classical histories that paint her as the evil stepmother but I know how historically wrong it is.
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Tao Jones posted:Wake up, homovēs! 
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Is there a place online to buy ancient coins? Is https://www.vcoins.com a good site for it? Is something like this a real coin? I don't know anything about coin collecting but assuming they're less than a thousand dollars each (I know nothing!) I'd like to own one at some point in my life. Just browsing the first page of roman coins I like that one because it's a shiny Denarius from the reign of Trajan, which makes it sound like the Corolla of ancient roman coins.
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There's a guy here on the forums that sells a bunch of ancient coinage actually. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3725289 You can probably ask him for something, even if he doesn't necessarily have it explicitly listed.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:It's taken me years but I've finally started watching I Claudius. I'm 2 episode in and I'm really enjoying it but the underlying theme that Livia is the ultimate puppeteer who is manipulating literally everyone and everything is kind of taking me out of it. I know its based off of classical histories that paint her as the evil stepmother but I know how historically wrong it is. And Augustus wasn't anything like Brian Blessed, but who cares, it's Brian Blessed so it rules. Just enjoy the Seutonius-inspired depravity and have fun playing spot-the-famous-British-actor.
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sbaldrick posted:the whole "no swords" theory is insanely stupid, especially for Britain which maintained Roman civilization for at least 75 years after the legions left. Basically the "invasion" of Britain was successful due to subdivisions within the Roman successor states on the island being overwhelmed and no longer being able to field armies. I'm listening to the british history podcast and when the british kingdoms go to war with each other, there's less that 1000 soldiers on each side! Sometimes only a few hundred. That was astounding to me, kingdoms of that era being able to take over other kingdoms with such a small force. Seems like there was not many armed people on the island that know how to fight. E: so it is not suprising the danes and vikings could roll up and defeat them so easily. Fo3 fucked around with this message at 06:59 on Oct 8, 2015 |
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Their warfare was much less about occupation and sieges, I imagine.
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Fo3 posted:I'm listening to the british history podcast and when the british kingdoms go to war with each other, there's less that 1000 soldiers on each side! Except that they operated on a militia system? The problem isn't arms floating around the area, it's the people with the arms that are the issue. Can't farm and fight at the same time.
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Jaramin posted:There's a guy here on the forums that sells a bunch of ancient coinage actually. This is neat, I didn't know ancient coins were so cheap. I might be interested in the Diocletian's coin. Somewhat related, does anyone share my fascination with Diocletian's palace in Split? Are there other examples of people living in Roman era buildings? This summer I was sitting in one of the bars in the palace, looking at an ancient cross carved into a wall facing my table, and it got me thinking - you could write a novel just about that one cross.
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If you're not picky coins are very cheap. Just please please investigate where you're buying them from and make sure it's a reputable dealer. There are dealers who sell coins that were excavated correctly and aren't part of the problem, but a lot of coins are just stolen and the business tears up sites all over the place.
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Doctor Malaver posted:This is neat, I didn't know ancient coins were so cheap. I might be interested in the Diocletian's coin. They realized this had happened when someone broke into the original 1550s construction during some sort of renovation in the 1990s, and now you can go down there; they've made parts of the passages in it into a museum. It has a perfectly preserved Early Modern fortress gate--they're much less elaborate than medieval gates, almost like something just hacked into the big walls with a section for guards on either side.
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Doctor Malaver posted:Are there other examples of people living in Roman era buildings? It's not the case anymore but the Roman arenas of Nimes and Arles in southern France were turned into fortified neighbourhoods in the 5th century and remained in use until the 19th century. After that they were restored and they're used for shows and festivals now.  The arena in Arles before 1825
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Kassad posted:It's not the case anymore but the Roman arenas of Nimes and Arles in southern France were turned into fortified neighbourhoods in the 5th century and remained in use until the 19th century. After that they were restored and they're used for shows and festivals now. Thats cool as hell.
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The Colosseum was also held as a fortress, and private fief.
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Don't forget Hadrian's mausoleum aka the Popefort.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:The Colosseum was also held as a fortress, and private fief. Wait, no poo poo? I consider myself to know at least a decent amount about Rome and the like (For an amateur) but I had no idea they did this. It makes perfect sense in retrospect, though. Thank gently caress it wasn't wrecked in a siege.
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Thanks for the sa Mart coin link, I had no idea they were so affordable.
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Jaramin posted:There's a guy here on the forums that sells a bunch of ancient coinage actually. My wife got me a couple of coins from Xenopus for my birthday last year and they are awesome.
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Vagon posted:Wait, no poo poo? I consider myself to know at least a decent amount about Rome and the like (For an amateur) but I had no idea they did this. It makes perfect sense in retrospect, though. Thank gently caress it wasn't wrecked in a siege. Medieval/Early Renaissance Rome was divided between families of rear end in a top hat aristocrats who despised each other. No reason to waste perfectly good architecture. Robert Brentato posted:But at the same time, this romantic and symbolic object was very casually used. In it, prominent Roman families fortified themselves as if it were a caved cliff. And in 1263 Fra Giordano, a Cistercian monk from Fossanova (whose brother, according to papal sources, was illegally holding papal lands) was living in a house at the Colosseum with his own grandmother.[2] In the middle of the thirteenth century the old Colosseum-controlling family of Frangipane (too loyal, it has been thought rather oddly, to the emperor Frederick II) was replaced, but not too quickly and decisively, by the newer family of Annibaldi. There's a contemporary description (that I can't find) of one Pope tearing down Roman palaces so that his rival families couldn't use them. One of the Bonifaces, I think. e: Cardinal Pietro Colonna posted:The city of Palestrina itself was turned into a ruin, with its noble and ancient palaces and its great and solemn temple dedicated to the Blessed Virgin. They were buildings built by Julius Caesar, the emperor, whose city Palestrina was in antiquity. There was a grand staircase made of the noblest marble, splendid and large, so that one could ride up on one's horse to palace and temple. And the steps of the staircase were more than one hundred. The palace built by Caesar had the shape of the letter C after the first letter of his name. The temple attached to the palace was sumptuously and nobly built in the manner of Santa Maria Rotunda [the Pantheon] in the City. [Boniface and his people destroyed] these and all the other palaces and buildings of Palestrina, and the very ancient walls of Sarracenic work, made of great squared stones. No skill or money can rebuild them ever; they were too old and too noble. Not exactly the most historically rigorous testimony, though. Quotes from Rome before Avignon BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 16:35 on Oct 8, 2015 |
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Vagon posted:Wait, no poo poo? I consider myself to know at least a decent amount about Rome and the like (For an amateur) but I had no idea they did this. It makes perfect sense in retrospect, though. Thank gently caress it wasn't wrecked in a siege. The Wikipedia article about the arena in Nīmes says it did get "destroyed" (along with the rest of the city) during the 8th century. Clearly it's still standing though so what probably happened is that it was set on fire. Destroying big stone buildings is hard as hell when you don't have explosives. Hilariously enough, the guy who did that (Charles Martel) is usually touted as the saviour of Western Civilisation against the Moslem Hordes by French racists.
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If anyone is getting into coins, I do recommend that SA-Mart thread - Xenopus is great. I've never had a problem with a VCoins dealer, either, though they're generally more expensive. EBay has the deals, but it's a lot riskier (I've gotten a couple fakes I could pick out, and they were a pain to resolve; I may have other fakes that I currently think are real). The other nice thing with Xenopus is that he's cognizant of archaeology/legal/ethical type issues as well as "coin preparation and maintenance" issues, so you can feel confident in the item you get (and can get good advice from him in that thread).
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Xenopus hits a balance of quality and price you don't find very often in ancient coins. His thread got me started on ancients and I still buy from him pretty often. Highly recommended; there's nothing like holding a coin minted two thousand years ago in your hand. Like someone said above Vcoins is also generally (but not always, it is a collection of sellers and it only takes one not being careful) reliable but also generally more expensive. Avoid eBay like the plague unless you really know your stuff or are buying from a reputable persons store on there. Rating does not at all mean reputable either.
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I asked my classics professor and he didn't know the answer so here goes: Did anyone in ancient Greece sacrifice to/hold festivals for/build temples to Hades? Did the Romans do the same for Pluto?
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