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DatonKallandor
Aug 21, 2009

"I can no longer sit back and allow nationalist shitposting, nationalist indoctrination, nationalist subversion, and the German nationalist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious game balance."

Kurr de la Cruz posted:

Playing mining escort is fun, and you even get a cut of the take in the form of trade dividends! HazRes guarding can get fairly intense, too, so bring a hefty ship that can slug it out.

How close do you have to be to get trade dividends? Do you have to be in the same station instance as the person with the ore is selling or is just being in a squad with them good enough?

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Drake_263
Mar 31, 2010

DatonKallandor posted:

How close do you have to be to get trade dividends? Do you have to be in the same station instance as the person with the ore is selling or is just being in a squad with them good enough?

Same station instance, I believe. It's generally expected you're flying as an escort for the dude doing the trading.

Also screw you guys, now I'm tempted to fit a pair of C2 mining lasers on the Lady and seeing how much painite I can squeeze out of rocks.. I am the minerpython scrub

radintorov
Feb 18, 2011

no_recall posted:

Gonna try mining tonight. Looks fun
It's relaxing and it pays well, now.
Mining is actually worth doing.

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

radintorov posted:

It's relaxing and it pays well, now.
Mining is actually worth doing.

The whole 'one player does relaxing mining, a couple of others grouped with him fend off pirates, everyone gets paid' thing is basically the holy grail of the online space sim experience.

QuantaStarFire
May 18, 2006


Grimey Drawer

Alchenar posted:

The whole 'one player does relaxing mining, a couple of others grouped with him fend off pirates, everyone gets paid' thing is basically the holy grail of the online space sim experience.

It's kinda weird too. Like, what does the miner do when his buddies aren't around to prevent him from being shot? :p

Paramemetic
Sep 29, 2003

Area 51. You heard of it, right?





Fallen Rib

QuantaStarFire posted:

It's kinda weird too. Like, what does the miner do when his buddies aren't around to prevent him from being shot? :p

Based on my experience, types "guys, help. Help! Guys help!" a bunch of times.

AndroidHub
Feb 28, 2007

I've seen some stuff that would really make you say "like what?"
You don't get trade dividends from mining, dividends only come from trade profit, which is specifically what is made by selling something that you bought. You currently can't share mining profits unless you drop stuff for other to sell, it's reasonable to make the assumption that it would work but :frontear:

e: it is also worth noting that while there is an increase to mining in a res or hazres it's not big enough to really care about unless you're in an endgame ship that can defend itself or you have a wing of dudes t defend you.

AndroidHub fucked around with this message at 13:11 on Oct 8, 2015

LCL-Dead
Apr 22, 2014

Grimey Drawer
Gold farmers aside.. ..:frontear: really should put in the ability to pay other players from your credit balance for services rendered.

Pilchenstein
May 17, 2012

So your plan is for half of us to die?

Hot Rope Guy

LCL-Dead posted:

Gold farmers aside.. ..:frontear: really should put in the ability to pay other players from your credit balance for services rendered.
Would gold farmers even be much of a nuisance between the instancing and the general lack of effort put into the social aspects of the game?

frank.club
Jan 15, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Paramemetic posted:

Based on my experience, types "guys, help. Help! Guys help!" a bunch of times.

I've noticed that the blue wing blip on the radar flashes when someone comes under attack.

LCL-Dead
Apr 22, 2014

Grimey Drawer

Pilchenstein posted:

Would gold farmers even be much of a nuisance between the instancing and the general lack of effort put into the social aspects of the game?

Honestly, aside from the fact that every scrub tier pilot in the game would suddenly be running around in conda's or python's, which doesn't really affect anything except for the flow of tears when they lose a ship they didn't properly budget for, I can't see how gold farmers would be a nuisance to anything.

Pros:
People would make money off of Elite.
Players would finally be able to help/pay other players without having to perform the cargo crate jettison mating ritual.

Cons:
Maybe some loss of participation in public events.
:frontear: 's plans for a player market (if any exist) would have to account for gold sellers.

It's not like there's an auction house that would suffer from massive inflation and ships being bought are good for the economy (theoretically) and equally good for us since you'd have guys who've never flown anything bigger than a Cobra or Viper suddenly hopping into an Anaconda or Python and wondering why they can't turn fight, eventually screaming and crying at their monitor as their precious autism chariot explodes.

I'd buy credits..

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




So is anyone playing this on XBox One, is it worth a shot if you like tedious space games? I'm really tempted in by the exploration stuff if that's something you can legitimately do.

Siets
Sep 19, 2006

by FactsAreUseless

Aramoro posted:

So is anyone playing this on XBox One, is it worth a shot if you like tedious space games? I'm really tempted in by the exploration stuff if that's something you can legitimately do.

Is it ever! :monocle:

But no seriously, it is a Good Game and if you already have a tolerance for tedium in the genre you are going to fall in love my friend. A lot of people consider the exploration to be the best part of the game as well. Just look at some of the screenshots or spaceblogs that people have posted of their trips to the galactic core and beyond. The views and things you will see along the way are amazing, and the scale of your journey feels truly massive.

LCL-Dead
Apr 22, 2014

Grimey Drawer

Aramoro posted:

So is anyone playing this on XBox One, is it worth a shot if you like tedious space games? I'm really tempted in by the exploration stuff if that's something you can legitimately do.

You can legitimately do exploration after a spell (you need to save up enough cash to buy a good ship and the proper modules for it first, either the Diamondback Explorer or Asp are best) and it will get better but it, like all things Elite, takes time and money (in-game).

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




Siets posted:

Is it ever! :monocle:

But no seriously, it is a Good Game and if you already have a tolerance for tedium in the genre you are going to fall in love my friend.

I played EvE for 10 years this feels like it could be in a similar vein.

Do any goons play on XBox though?

Siets
Sep 19, 2006

by FactsAreUseless

Aramoro posted:

I played EvE for 10 years this feels like it could be in a similar vein.

Do any goons play on XBox though?

Imagine the MMO feeling of EVE, with less of the "players make everything" but a much bigger universe with many more star systems to compensate. Oh and also combat in Elite: Dangerous is actually fun unlike EVE's "automatically orbit a thing until it dies" paradigm. :colbert:

SquirrelGrip
Jul 4, 2012

Aramoro posted:

I played EvE for 10 years this feels like it could be in a similar vein.

Do any goons play on XBox though?

me plus a few others I saw scattered early on the thread

add no wizards k

chaosapiant
Oct 10, 2012

White Line Fever

Aramoro posted:

So is anyone playing this on XBox One, is it worth a shot if you like tedious space games? I'm really tempted in by the exploration stuff if that's something you can legitimately do.

Aside from the "what can I do in this game?" is the issue of "how does the game feel?" This is the best space game imo in regards to making you feel like you're piloting a ship in space. Everything from controls to sound design are incredible. Probably my favorite scifi-sim type game since MechWarrior 2. It's the best poo poo ever! The ever so slight MMO feel makes it so that we can affect each other's games, play together a bit (which I have yet to do) but no real griefing so to speak or other annoying MMO poo poo.

Paramemetic
Sep 29, 2003

Area 51. You heard of it, right?





Fallen Rib

AndroidHub posted:

You don't get trade dividends from mining, dividends only come from trade profit, which is specifically what is made by selling something that you bought. You currently can't share mining profits unless you drop stuff for other to sell, it's reasonable to make the assumption that it would work but :frontear:

This is not true, I was receiving dividends from Dils all last night whenever he was selling the things he mined.

It's a stupid small amount compared to the profit from shootmans as an escort, but it's there.

Kurr de la Cruz
May 21, 2007

Put the boots to him, medium style.

Hair Elf

Paramemetic posted:

This is not true, I was receiving dividends from Dils all last night whenever he was selling the things he mined.

It's a stupid small amount compared to the profit from shootmans as an escort, but it's there.

This is true, I made a couple hundred k from "Trade Dividends" whatever those are. Most of the money made last night came from good old fashioned honest space american space murder, though. I think I pulled in about 10 million or so? The Frantic nature of things prevented me from hitting the pirates with a KWS, but all things considered it was fun and good.

Supradog
Sep 1, 2004

A POOOST!?!??! YEEAAAAHHHH
I got a sneaking suspicion that I'll have my x52 near my pc abit more now. New stuff to do in Elite and Sublevel Zero is out today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FjhqyOgJn4

Sekenr
Dec 12, 2013




radintorov posted:

It's relaxing and it pays well, now.
Mining is actually worth doing.

For me it was very frustrating
me: Oh, painite, great!
Frontier: Haha no. <Transaction server error>
me: <relogs tries to mine>
Frontier: You forgot to open cargo scoop
me:<opens scoop>
Frontier: Haha got you agan! <Transaction server error>

5 or 6 times in one session

Sekenr fucked around with this message at 17:01 on Oct 8, 2015

RearmingStrafbomber
Jan 29, 2009

1-1-2029, tonight the stars are shining bright

Siets posted:

A lot of people consider the exploration to be the best part of the game as well. Just look at some of the screenshots or spaceblogs that people have posted of their trips to the galactic core and beyond. The views and things you will see along the way are amazing, and the scale of your journey feels truly massive.



IC 1805 Sector DQ-Y E3

Shine
Feb 26, 2007

No Muscles For The Majority

Sekenr posted:

For me it was very frustrating
me: Oh, painite, great!
Frontier: Haha no. <Transaction server error>
me: <relogs tries to mine>
Frontier: You forgot to open cargo scoop
me:<opens scoop>
Frontier: Haha got you agan! <Transation server error>

5 or 6 times in one session

It kept crapping out on me last night, too, including when I found a 50% platinum rock :argh:

Chalks
Sep 30, 2009

When you guys are mining, do you throw a prospector at every rock, or do you blast it a bit to see what comes out then decide to prospect it if it's interesting?

Shine
Feb 26, 2007

No Muscles For The Majority

Chalks posted:

When you guys are mining, do you throw a prospector at every rock, or do you blast it a bit to see what comes out then decide to prospect it if it's interesting?

I prospect every rock. I bring "too many" limpets and just dump a bunch between rocks if I hit some early jackpots.

They should change it so that your collectors ignore stuff you "abandon." Makes it a bit awkward to dump junk materials or excess limpets because your collectors will just snag them right up. You can work around that by dropping stuff after your collectors expire and moving several KM away before deploying new ones. If your collectors are still out, then you can close your hatch, drop stuff and then move away. Your collectors will still grab one item each, but the closed hatch will prevent them from grabbing any more.

If anybody knows a better way to dump unwanted stuff while using collectors, please share!

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer

Shine posted:

It kept crapping out on me last night, too, including when I found a 50% platinum rock :argh:

Everything seemed fine yesterday. Then today I log in again and find out the server seriously hosed itself. First, it erased all scans I made inside the solar system I was in last yesterday. Second, one of the gas giants was just a giant unscannable void now.

I'm seriously hoping it's really only the last that is bugged and not all 27 systems I explored yesterday.

Chalks
Sep 30, 2009

Shine posted:

I prospect every rock. I bring "too many" limpets and just dump a bunch between rocks if I hit some early jackpots.

They should change it so that your collectors ignore stuff you "abandon." Makes it a bit awkward to dump junk materials or excess limpets because your collectors will just snag them right up. You can work around that by dropping stuff after your collectors expire and moving several KM away before deploying new ones. If your collectors are still out, then you can close your hatch, drop stuff and then move away. Your collectors will still grab one item each, but the closed hatch will prevent them from grabbing any more.

If anybody knows a better way to dump unwanted stuff while using collectors, please share!

I'll give this a go, thanks. On the "dumping unwanted stuff" front, I found this really irritating until I hit my "dump all cargo" button instead of the open cargo scoop button and my little limpet buddies saved my rear end (over an excruciating length of time, admittedly).

Lima
Jun 17, 2012

A tip for when you want to empty your cargo for junk metals but don't want to wait for your limpets to expire: Disable your collector controller(s) in the power management tab - that'll instantly destroy the drones.

Chalks posted:

I'll give this a go, thanks. On the "dumping unwanted stuff" front, I found this really irritating until I hit my "dump all cargo" button instead of the open cargo scoop button and my little limpet buddies saved my rear end (over an excruciating length of time, admittedly).

Unbind that key right now mister! It'll only ever cause you grief.

frank.club
Jan 15, 2011

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Shine posted:

I prospect every rock. I bring "too many" limpets and just dump a bunch between rocks if I hit some early jackpots.

They should change it so that your collectors ignore stuff you "abandon." Makes it a bit awkward to dump junk materials or excess limpets because your collectors will just snag them right up. You can work around that by dropping stuff after your collectors expire and moving several KM away before deploying new ones. If your collectors are still out, then you can close your hatch, drop stuff and then move away. Your collectors will still grab one item each, but the closed hatch will prevent them from grabbing any more.

If anybody knows a better way to dump unwanted stuff while using collectors, please share!

Sorry I almost got you killed

Dante80
Mar 23, 2015

Dev update out.

quote:

Hi everyone,

This week has been another busy week and saw the simultaneous release of both Xbox One and the CQC update for PC and Mac. There were a few bumps with scaling out the servers, which should be addressed today. As with previous releases we plan a minor update to sweep up some other issues as a title update for the Xbox One and minor update for PC and Mac once this is ready.

As part of the release some of us took part in a live AMA on Xbox One subreddit with a long list of questions that we had fun going through – I think we managed to answer most of them! You can read the AMA here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/comments/3nlmdg/its_frontier_developments_developers_of_elite/

Thanks to everyone on the subreddit for their questions. Later in the day Ed Lewis hosted some live chats with a number of developers and thanks again to everyone who took part.

Alongside the releases we also announced a CQC tournament with total prize value of over $100,000 - which includes some cool cash prizes of $15,000 for the final – you can expect more details on this soon!

Next on the horizon (I can see this pun being used a lot :-) ) is the start of the second season of expansions with Planetary Landings and the accompanying 1.5 Ships update. I talked a bit last week about the mission changes coming, so this week I’ll look at some of the new enemies you’ll encounter on the surface in the Planetary Landings expansion.

As can be expected there is a significant difference between the offensive and defensive capabilities of the ships and the smaller SRVs that you drive on the surface. While it is theory possible for an SRV to shoot down a ship – it’s really not something I’d recommend! From the ship’s perspective this is balanced by the SRVs being hard to hit, although if they do manage to hit, it would be devastating.

To provide the ground operations a more reasonable level of opponents we have added ‘skimmers’ which are capable of limited mobile operations to defend locations. Skimmers are remote controlled security and defence drones primarily designed to protect positions and restrict movement. They are designed to be hard to engage with ships, so the SRV with its rapid fire guns is the best way to tackle them. Be warned that while most rely on their armour, some may have shields.

They are remotely controlled and will usually have a command and control system or relay nearby – these define the area in which the skimmers linked to that system can operate. They are specifically designed for operations on planets and are very manoeuvrable, although incapable of space or high altitude flight. They operate best close to the ground.

Skimmers utilizes many standard manufacturing patterns and are built by various corporations across the galaxy – including big names like Core Dynamics. They are available in different variants, each suited for a different role:

•Core Dynamics S4 ‘sentry’ skimmer – this is the most widely used skimmer in the vast semi-automated security and protection industry throughout the galaxy, and a mainstay product for Core Dynamics. Comes as standard with a belly-mounted standard recoil-ready small weapon mount, which will take both kinetic and thermal weapons. Designed with an automated alert system so a single pilot can operate multiple such drones.

•Core Dynamics S5LM ‘guardian’ skimmer – Based on their S4 skimmers, but with reduced weight, and with an enhanced missile launcher weapon mount. A more expensive solution, but often used to protect higher value installations. It sacrifices armour to carry the weight of missiles and so is more vulnerable.

•Achilles Corp Stinger-2 attack skimmer – Smaller and quicker than Core Dynamics offerings in this sector, and also cheaper to buy. It has no weapon mount, but carries explosives, and can be directed by its pilot to self destruct, taking out its target. Some installations use these skimmers to form a last line of defence for sensitive bases and outposts. In essence they are a flying bomb. The Achilles Corporation cut down its range of skimmers just to the Stinger-2, but it is rumoured they will be launching new skimmers to their range in the next few years.

•Core Dynamics S9 ‘goliath’ skimmer – A very effective solution to your security needs. Using four surface thrusters this armoured and well-armed skimmer is the most effective on the market. Its greater cost means it is generally only used by military clients, and use is not permitted in some jurisdictions given their offensive abilities.

While most skimmers are usually found near bases, given the recent rise in scavenging of shipwrecks, some transport vessels with higher value cargoes now carry automated distress response packageswhich include skimmers, and they are deployed automatically in the event of a crash to secure the site and help protect any survivors.

https://community.elitedangerous.com/node/314

Sex Robot
Jan 11, 2011

Nothing amazing happens here.
Everything is ordinary.

All this game did was make me wanna play Eve online again.

Nostalgia4Infinity
Feb 27, 2007

10,000 YEARS WASN'T ENOUGH LURKING

Sex Robot posted:

All this game did was make me wanna play Eve online again.

okay

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

What a childish tactic!
Don't you think you should put more thought into your battleplan?!


Well, the Imperial Eagle is definitely fun to fly, but man, the guns feel so anemic after even the Imperial Courier, nevermind the Vulture. I think I've been completely spoiled.

Also, does everything feel crisper to anyone else? Especially the HUD.

Gonkish
May 19, 2004

Man, Hazardous RES are amazing. I pulled in 5 million in about 45 minutes thanks to an endless stream of 100k+ Clippers, Pythons, Dropships, Gunships, Assault Ships, Anacondas, etc. It was basically just a free for all. I haven't been doing PP poo poo in ages, so I don't have the bounty bonus anymore.

Galaga Galaxian posted:

Well, the Imperial Eagle is definitely fun to fly, but man, the guns feel so anemic after even the Imperial Courier, nevermind the Vulture. I think I've been completely spoiled.

Also, does everything feel crisper to anyone else? Especially the HUD.

Yeah, the HUD definitely feels better. Not sure what changed but it's nice. The text is easier to read somehow.

Sostratos
Jun 28, 2004
I went to a HazRES tonight with my tricked out battle python. I got cocky and took on a wing of one dropship and two adders, because they were adders. The little shits were also both sporting railguns so for the first time ever I had to run from NPC adders. They stripped my shields through SCB spam and had me to 75% hull before my frameshift drive kicked in.

Gonkish
May 19, 2004

I took on a wing of an Elite anaconda and three of his Python buddies in that HazRES (my cannon was out of ammo so I was headed back to rearm anyway, and the FDL can easily outrun all of them), and holy poo poo don't ever do this solo. Everything was lasers and doom and then my shields went down in record loving time and I was running for my life.

I loved it.

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

What a childish tactic!
Don't you think you should put more thought into your battleplan?!


Been thinking about giving the FDL a try, but man, that jump range...

Wolfechu
May 2, 2009

All the world's a stage I'm going through


Galaga Galaxian posted:

Been thinking about giving the FDL a try, but man, that jump range...

I tried the fdl and went back to a vulture/python combo for about the same price. It has the grace and agility of the python, combined with the cargo space of the vulture. Nice looking ship, though.

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Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

What a childish tactic!
Don't you think you should put more thought into your battleplan?!


Was thinking about the Python too, but I definitely can't afford to A-fit one of those.

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