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zoux posted:I dunno about real blackness but I do want a president that knows what a debt limit is. That's like 3/4 of the Republican party, to be fair.
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I just don't get what's so compelling about Ben Carson that he's polling second. He's a terrible speaker, his policy positions are dead standard for a GOP candidate, what's the appeal?
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Oct 8, 2015 14:27
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"See! We aren't racist!" He's the political candidate equivalent of "my black friend".
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Oct 8, 2015 14:30
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zoux posted:I just don't get what's so compelling about Ben Carson that he's polling second. He's a terrible speaker, his policy positions are dead standard for a GOP candidate, what's the appeal? He's not a politician and They Like That. And did you hear what he said about #BlackLivesMatter??? Just let them Leeeberals lecture him! Also, Nostalgia4Infinity posted:"See! We aren't racist!"
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Oct 8, 2015 14:30
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zoux posted:I just don't get what's so compelling about Ben Carson that he's polling second. He's a terrible speaker, his policy positions are dead standard for a GOP candidate, what's the appeal? One Of The Good Ones (tm)
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Oct 8, 2015 14:30
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zoux posted:I just don't get what's so compelling about Ben Carson that he's polling second. He's a terrible speaker, his policy positions are dead standard for a GOP candidate, what's the appeal? Nostalgia4Infinity posted:"See! We aren't racist!" iirc most of the buzz started and is being perpetuated by major media. It isn't natural appeal and it'll be dumped before long.
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Oct 8, 2015 14:31
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zoux posted:I just don't get what's so compelling about Ben Carson that he's polling second. He's a terrible speaker, his policy positions are dead standard for a GOP candidate, what's the appeal? He's black, not a politician, and tells it how it is. Perfect person for racist poo poo heads to prop up so they can say "see! I'm not a racist piece of poo poo!"
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Oct 8, 2015 14:32
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See also: Carly Fiorina
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Oct 8, 2015 14:32
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Fiorinas popular because she's Skeletors long lost cousin.
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Oct 8, 2015 14:33
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quote:@rupertmurdoch · 1h1 hour ago lol Nostalgia4Infinity posted:See also: Oh, no they genuinely like her. She's a blood-thirsty, corporatist.
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Oct 8, 2015 14:34
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Yeah but being able to go "what war on women?  " adds to her appeal.
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Oct 8, 2015 14:35
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Oct 8, 2015 14:38
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He lets people say "hmm you think Republicans are racist against Obama? Well why don't you want to vote for Carson over Hillary then? "
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Oct 8, 2015 14:38
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Yeah but being able to go "what war on women? I would love to see Hillary and Carly on stage.
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note: the Republican Attorney Generals' Association has been spending heavily for Westerfield, so that race isn't as lopsided, money-wise, as it looks. Normally they don't invest that heavily in campaigns. The Republicans must be anxious to prevent the rise of a Beshear dynasty.
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Oct 8, 2015 14:45
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zoux posted:Clinically depressed suicidal people aren't rational actors who compare shop suicide methods. Suicide attempts are often spontaneous and committed with what's at hand. That's why less than 2 percent of pill attempts are non fatal, most people simply don't have enough pills in their house to lethally overdose. But if there's a gun handy it's a different story. So if they have a firearm available in their house and grab that, they are 85% likely to fatally injure themselves. In fact, that's exactly what happened to my 18 year old cousin last year, who got into a fight with his girlfriend and suddenly in the middle of it went and got his dad's, my uncle's, .22 pistol and killed himself with it. We don't know why he did it, but if there wasn't a gun in the house that day he'd still be alive. Research: Less Access to Guns Lead to Fewer Suicides
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Oct 8, 2015 14:46
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Yeah it's an obvious conclusion but that won't stop gun rights hasbara from coming around and throwing up tortured data smokescreens and foggy appeals to cultural differences to somehow argue that there is no relationship between access to and prevalence of guns and deaths from guns. Seriously, after all the data and refutations presented including from articles they themselves posted, I've determined that there is no evidence you can present that will get them to moderate their stance, so why even bother.
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Oct 8, 2015 14:49
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zoux posted:Yeah it's an obvious conclusion but that won't stop gun rights hasbara from coming around and throwing up tortured data smokescreens and foggy appeals to cultural differences to somehow argue that there is no relationship between access to and prevalence of guns and deaths from guns. Well gently caress. Also this part from the article posted last page. quote:“Quite frankly, all I was trying to get done was the ability of our folks to ask the (potentially suicidal) person about his weapons and make a recommendation that they would separate themselves from the weapon — turn it in, give it to a friend — until the suicidal feelings passed.” The organization is malignant at this point.
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Oct 8, 2015 14:57
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The entire goddamn national ethos is.
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Oct 8, 2015 15:08
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zoux posted:I just don't get what's so compelling about Ben Carson that he's polling second. He's a terrible speaker, his policy positions are dead standard for a GOP candidate, what's the appeal? "He's a literal brain surgeon! He is therefore smart on all matters!" and "He speaks so calmly!"
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Oct 8, 2015 15:15
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:"See! We aren't racist!" Isn't he the 3rd or 4th black token? I know the Daily Show had a running joke of a muppet based on some guy called Steel;the first black leader of the RNC. The Pizza guy and some other guy?
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Oct 8, 2015 15:16
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Well in 2008 the most prominent black woman in the Republican party was the mayor of a tiny Utah city.
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PhazonLink posted:Isn't he the 3rd or 4th black token? there's always tim scott
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zoux posted:Well in 2008 the most prominent black woman in the Republican party was the mayor of a tiny Utah city. Uhh... 
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Oct 8, 2015 15:21
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How bout the most prominent black woman willing to have anything to do with the Republican party in 2008.
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Oct 8, 2015 15:22
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I suspect Carson has the fundamentalist Christian support in his corner at the moment. I'm sure a lot of those voters don't like Trump since he doesn't even really pay the super thin lip service to their issues that most GOP candidates do, and I guess Huck and Santorum are yesterday's news. If you were to say "quick, who's the biggest religious zealot in the GOP primary", Carson is the name that pretty much comes to mind right away.
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zoux posted:How bout the most prominent black woman willing to have anything to do with the Republican party in 2008. She was technically SoS until 2009, but yeah, it wasn't like she was campaigning.
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Uhh... Much like Colin Powell, Condoleezza Rice seems to be mostly ignored, if not outright hated, by a lot of the modern GOP.
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Oct 8, 2015 15:59
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You know... When I tried to kill myself, I popped a handful of Ritalin at 12 years old specifically because we didn't have a gun in the house. If we had, I'd be dead. In my late teens, the plan was to buy a gun from a pawn shop on my 21st birthday and use it on myself. My girlfriend found out about it and stopped me. Since then, I've refused to allow guns in my house knowing that if I had access to one, it would be a matter of time before I hit a low point and used it to kill myself. So yeah, lack of gun access has kept me alive. Granted, anecdotes aren't proof, but, well I'm not dead yet.
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QuoProQuid posted:To add onto what has already been said, the House vote is scheduled a day before Boehner's resignation. If the GOP somehow fails to elect a candidate, Boehner would remain Speaker until a majority is reached. I don't know about anyone else, but I find it really funny that Boehner, who is retiring his position due to fears of getting ousted by incompetent tea partiers, may not be able to quit when he wants to due to incompetent tea partiers. They are just ruining his plans no matter what he wants.
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BobbyDrake posted:You know... When I tried to kill myself, I popped a handful of Ritalin at 12 years old specifically because we didn't have a gun in the house. If we had, I'd be dead. In my late teens, the plan was to buy a gun from a pawn shop on my 21st birthday and use it on myself. My girlfriend found out about it and stopped me. Since then, I've refused to allow guns in my house knowing that if I had access to one, it would be a matter of time before I hit a low point and used it to kill myself. So yeah, lack of gun access has kept me alive. Granted, anecdotes aren't proof, but, well I'm not dead yet. No sorry, that's not true. Guns are just as lethal as sporks, you just didn't want to kill yourself enough.
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This isn't unique to guns either. A common method of suicide in the UK used to be via turning on an unlit oven and inhaling coal gas, which was 10-20% carbon monoxide. When the switch was made to natural gas (no carbon monoxide) UK overall suicide rates went down by 1/3rd. Evidence showed that some people switched to other methods but removing a ubiquitous and deadly option saved thousands of lives.
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Zwabu posted:I suspect Carson has the fundamentalist Christian support in his corner at the moment. I'm sure a lot of those voters don't like Trump since he doesn't even really pay the super thin lip service to their issues that most GOP candidates do, and I guess Huck and Santorum are yesterday's news. Also his books have been very popular in the evangelical community for a long time
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BobbyDrake posted:You know... When I tried to kill myself, I popped a handful of Ritalin at 12 years old specifically because we didn't have a gun in the house. If we had, I'd be dead. In my late teens, the plan was to buy a gun from a pawn shop on my 21st birthday and use it on myself. My girlfriend found out about it and stopped me. Since then, I've refused to allow guns in my house knowing that if I had access to one, it would be a matter of time before I hit a low point and used it to kill myself. So yeah, lack of gun access has kept me alive. Granted, anecdotes aren't proof, but, well I'm not dead yet. In the last couple pages of this thread alone we've had, what, like 5 or 6 goons give very personal accounts of themselves or family members being touched by suicide via gun. It's horrifying and I know that I for one will never allow guns into my home.
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Shifty Pony posted:This isn't unique to guns either. A common method of suicide in the UK used to be via turning on an unlit oven and inhaling coal gas, which was 10-20% carbon monoxide. When the switch was made to natural gas (no carbon monoxide) UK overall suicide rates went down by 1/3rd. Evidence showed that some people switched to other methods but removing a ubiquitous and deadly option saved thousands of lives. When I was a kid I heard about people putting their head in the oven to kill themselves, but we had an electric oven so I thought that people actually turned it on and just broiled themselves to death.  I was pretty impressed by their conviction at the time.
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zoux posted:I just don't get what's so compelling about Ben Carson that he's polling second. He's a terrible speaker, his policy positions are dead standard for a GOP candidate, what's the appeal? They think Obama got elected because he was black. Therefore if they run a black candidate, they can't lose.
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JeffersonClay posted:They think Obama got elected because he was black. Therefore if they run a black candidate, they can't lose. I've decided this is the reason.
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Shageletic posted:The organization is malignant at this point. Also pretty stupidly so if they're trying to impede a voluntary measure rather than talking it up.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:The Tacoma and the HiLux are mechanically different; the HiLux is way more rugged, while the Tacoma has much better ride quality. But before they introduced the Tacoma, there was 20 years of the Hilux by another name, and 6 years of just straight up the Hilux. zoux posted:I just don't get what's so compelling about Ben Carson that he's polling second. He's a terrible speaker, his policy positions are dead standard for a GOP candidate, what's the appeal? Uh, he's doing second place at 17% behind Trump at 23%. That's only 1/6 of the Republicans liking him, it's not really that impressive.
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