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wtftastic posted:Thanks captain genius! In case its never happened to you, its really easy to accidentally mouse over them in the course of reading the thread. If you don't want to even risk accidentally mousing over a spoiler, either use page up/page down/arrow keys to navigate threads about products that have material currently in development or don't read them at all. I don't see "NO SPOILERS THREAD" in the title name, do you?
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Oct 9, 2015 18:33
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Let's just minimize spoiler talk, period. This game is all about story, so I encourage you guys to avoid spoilers and play it yourselves.
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Oct 9, 2015 18:35
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Non-spoilers question: is space PVE worth doing at all? Like, I mean the heroics at the end. Is their payout kind of worth it at all for the cost of upgrading your ship, or is there GSF stuff you can buy with space comms?
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Oct 9, 2015 18:46
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Have they done any kind of ability streamlining in the past year for this game? I remember pvp healing on my Operative with 374832 abilities and nowhere near enough keybinds.
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Oct 9, 2015 18:52
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Berke Negri posted:Non-spoilers question: is space PVE worth doing at all? Like, I mean the heroics at the end. Is their payout kind of worth it at all for the cost of upgrading your ship, or is there GSF stuff you can buy with space comms? It's the only way to get a few of the achievements. But it's totally distinct from GSF.
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Oct 9, 2015 18:55
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Berke Negri posted:Non-spoilers question: is space PVE worth doing at all? Like, I mean the heroics at the end. Is their payout kind of worth it at all for the cost of upgrading your ship, or is there GSF stuff you can buy with space comms? I couldn't ever get into it. It's like the old school on-rails arcade games, giving you the illusion of being in a space fighter game. But it's good supplemental XP and money. Toozler posted:Have they done any kind of ability streamlining in the past year for this game? I remember pvp healing on my Operative with 374832 abilities and nowhere near enough keybinds. You'll get mixed responses. Operative (Concealment) got a bit easier. I don't think there's much ability bloat at all, but I use a Razer Naga mouse and came from Everquest which had 10,534,335 abilities to manage.
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Oct 9, 2015 19:03
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Medullah posted:Let's just minimize spoiler talk, period. This game is all about story, so I encourage you guys to avoid spoilers and play it yourselves. How about spoiler talk about storylines in the game? I've had a few posts talking about cool/weird stuff I've run into as an Inquisitor, for example; should I not do that?
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Oct 9, 2015 19:17
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prefect posted:How about spoiler talk about storylines in the game? I've had a few posts talking about cool/weird stuff I've run into as an Inquisitor, for example; should I not do that? Yeah, just remember there's a lot of new people coming to the game with KOTFE that might not have seen the storylines so spoiler when in doubt. Examples - Okay to not spoiler - "I really love the dark side choice the BH gets to make on Alderaan with the nobles." Should spoiler - "Whoah, I can't believe the Jedi Knight has to fight the XXX at the end of his act 3!
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Oct 9, 2015 19:21
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What should I trade in my jawa junk for to sell before the xpac?
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Medullah posted:Yeah, just remember there's a lot of new people coming to the game with KOTFE that might not have seen the storylines so spoiler when in doubt. I should have clarified that I used spoiler tags liberally; some things like the end of act 1 for Inquisitors are super-cool, and you don't want that ruined.
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Oct 9, 2015 19:24
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Hulk Smash! posted:All of these questions - and more! - are answered in the OP, which is just a few pages away that-a way. Thanks. I am going to go Op. I love the idea of a healer that can stealth.
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prefect posted:I should have clarified that I used spoiler tags liberally; some things like the end of act 1 for Inquisitors are super-cool, and you don't want that ruined. Yeah, some people are just bad at spoiler tagging so I like to be careful. Like, "Holy poo poo, can you believe that Luke fights Vader at the end of Return of the Jedi, and then Vader throws his OWN master off the balcony???"
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Oct 9, 2015 19:27
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For myself I've found some specs better than others when it comes to ability fatigue. Like, concealment operative was very easy to jump into and you're probably using less than ten abilities any battle, while assassin tank was just not real fun for me to play because there's so many things that need to be on cooldown.
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Berke Negri posted:For myself I've found some specs better than others when it comes to ability fatigue. Like, concealment operative was very easy to jump into and you're probably using less than ten abilities any battle, while assassin tank was just not real fun for me to play because there's so many things that need to be on cooldown. Infiltration shadow is the simplest I've found. It's almost entirely spinning kick out of stealth, clairvoyant strike, potency on cooldown, whirling blow in execute range, then three other abilities when the procs light them up.
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Oct 9, 2015 19:43
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Concealment Operative is great because it doesn't always require you to be on top of a complex rotation but can be. If you're just dealing with boring old Strongs, just mindlessly Shiv, Poison Dart, Lacerate, Backstab, etc. but as combat becomes more complex, you can start bouncing between adds CCing with stun, root, flashbang. And if all else fails, Cloaking Screen and come back for more. 
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Oct 9, 2015 20:06
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Well I've well and truly gotten sucked in now. Thanks to whomever used my referral code, the 110% speeder is fantastically useful. Still have my Marauder that I'm working through (on Taris atm) and I'll try to get him up to max level this weekend, but as I have severe alt-itis I've also got a JK and a Smuggler that are in the teens that I'll fish around for invites to the Pub guild tonight. Next on the docket is rolling either an Agent or a Bounty Hunter so I can get to do all of the 4 starting areas because I think that'll be more fun than coming back to any of the other 3. I keep hearing fantastic things about the Agent storyline, and was curious if the experience will be markedly different for a female vs male? Saw something in the last thread I think about the female being the best story in the game but couldn't remember for sure.
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I played this at launch, but got bogged down in all the extremely boring cookie-cutter side quests. I didn't make it far. I really liked the story missions though. I tried again when it went F2P, and it was about the same story, except now I ran a lot slower, it wanted me to pay for a freaking hotbar (most ridiculous F2P thing I've seen in a non-Asian MMO), and was about to pay some money when I realized I still really was not enjoying the game outside of the story missions. I seriously think both times I was only in the teens or something. I had left newb planet, went to a city, did some poo poo in the woods or something? I dunno. Game worth coming back to? Should I wait until the expansion hits first for a fresh playthrough with all the updates coming? I'm okay with doing a few sidequests here and there since F2P gets nerfed exp, but can you really just do your class quest now to the max level? And it's not like a beggar on the streets. I'm not adverse to dropping $15 or whatever, getting to max level and experiencing the class story. But it'd be nice if F2P was an actual option.
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xZAOx posted:I played this at launch, but got bogged down in all the extremely boring cookie-cutter side quests. I didn't make it far. I really liked the story missions though. You won't be able to play the expansion content as F2P so there's that. It's subs only. Subscribing now would get you 12xp but only until the 18th. Which is enough to level one character to 60. Come 4.0 on the 19th you'll need to do class stories AND planetary content to get to 60 (or 65). It's all worth doing at least once though. If $15/month is not a big deal the game is MUCH better as a subscriber. F2P miss out on too many QOL things, IMO.
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Planetary quests are the linked main story on each planet anyway, they're far from side quests.
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I also just came back after not playing since launch and I love the bonus class mission xp, but I also kind of miss doing the planet quests now that I'm getting to planets I haven't done before. I think the 6x bonus for planet and class will be a good split of things to do, for now it's just too hard to rationalize doing them when I could get 12x the xp doing class missions.
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Ort posted:I also just came back after not playing since launch and I love the bonus class mission xp, but I also kind of miss doing the planet quests now that I'm getting to planets I haven't done before. I think the 6x bonus for planet and class will be a good split of things to do, for now it's just too hard to rationalize doing them when I could get 12x the xp doing class missions. You mean it's hard to rationalize leaving incomplete triangle markers on the map. Must clear all the mission markers. What's that? I'm 8 levels over this side mission? That'll just make it faster to complete!
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Jan posted:You mean it's hard to rationalize leaving incomplete triangle markers on the map. Must clear all the mission markers. What's that? I'm 8 levels over this side mission? That'll just make it faster to complete! Used to play this with a friend who would repeatedly make me help him run through quests he was way overleveled for, then be surprised when he didn't get poo poo for them. YOU CLEAR THE MISSION MARKER BY loving ABANDONING THE QUEST AND DOING IT LATER ON YOUR ELEVENTH ALT.
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Crindee posted:Used to play this with a friend who would repeatedly make me help him run through quests he was way overleveled for, then be surprised when he didn't get poo poo for them. YOU CLEAR THE MISSION MARKER BY loving ABANDONING THE QUEST AND DOING IT LATER ON YOUR ELEVENTH ALT. The fleets on my 12x only characters are nothing but a sea of triangles.
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Medullah posted:The fleets on my 12x only characters are nothing but a sea of triangles. I'm really glad that all that's going away on the 19th Finally that Illum starter quest will be gone from my logbook!
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Shamelessly shilling my referral for the new thread... you people coming back, please clicky: http://www.swtor.com/r/TkMbdV I want free money and you want free poo poo! Everyone wins! 
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Oct 9, 2015 22:58
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Casyl posted:I might have an extra pair of the gauntlets on one of my toons, but I'll have to check later today. I'm still quite interested. Some people finally posted some gloves, but for 4 million and up, so...
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Oedzi not sure what time you were thinking of running EC but I'll probably be on around 8:30ish EDT. We could do a lockout swap to get a few of the mounts for people if there's enough interest.
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I won't be available, unfortunately. I get off of work at 8 tonight and probably won't be able to get logged in until 9-ish.
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I'll be on later tonight and my juggernaut is hungry for a karagga hat probably after 8, closer to 9 if people are still doing poo poo Also, juggernaut tank spec is fun as heck to play, but I haven't actually played it in a group with real people yet. I think the most common complaint I've heard about it is that it's hard to hold aggro; does that mean it's hard to pick up groups, because jugg has limited aoe options (apart from spinning slash or whatever the conal is called, all the good stuff is on cooldowns), or does it actually struggle to hold single target threat too? I'm trying to get a sense of the pitfalls before I start playing it for real, but the dulfy guide is aimed at significantly less forgiving content than I plan to play, I can't tell how much of it I really need to heed.
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They're not as bad as they were before 3.0 at threat management. The biggest problem before was that Crushing Blow would only hit multiple targets if you used it on a mob that you had first hit with sundering strike, so if your DPS burned the mob you sundered you were down your biggest AOE threat generator until sundering strike was back off cool down. Now it works similar, it only spreads after you hit a mob with Aegis Assault but it's reliant on the buff Aegis gives you instead. Add that to smash and saber reflect generating massive threat you're in pretty good shape. They just lack a strong AOE opener like Wither or Firestorm. But Juggs are way more fun than Powertech so it's worth it. 
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Medullah posted:Yeah, just remember there's a lot of new people coming to the game with KOTFE that might not have seen the storylines so spoiler when in doubt. They changed the JK storyline to make you fight Vin Diesel/Ice Cube?
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Medullah posted:They're not as bad as they were before 3.0 at threat management. The biggest problem before was that Crushing Blow would only hit multiple targets if you used it on a mob that you had first hit with sundering strike, so if your DPS burned the mob you sundered you were down your biggest AOE threat generator until sundering strike was back off cool down. Now it works similar, it only spreads after you hit a mob with Aegis Assault but it's reliant on the buff Aegis gives you instead. Add that to smash and saber reflect generating massive threat you're in pretty good shape. They just lack a strong AOE opener like Wither or Firestorm. But Juggs are way more fun than Powertech so it's worth it. If only the utility that reset Force Leap/Saber Throw every time combat ended reset Saber Reflect.
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Keshik posted:I'm still quite interested. Some people finally posted some gloves, but for 4 million and up, so... I do have the extra pair. I'll send them soon.
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So, are the companion changes only in effect in the new content, or will they be as rad during leveling?
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FishFood posted:So, are the companion changes only in effect in the new content, or will they be as rad during leveling? Bioware's said they'll be in for leveling. It's the whole Alliance system they still haven't talked about because it's heavily involved with the KOTFE story that will be restricted to the expansion.
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Oct 10, 2015 02:33
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FishFood posted:Oh thank God, gearing companions was the most tedious thing Yup. "Every class gets 5 robust* companions with rich** backstories! You'll use the healer for the whole game" *not robust **or rich Medullah posted:They're not as bad as they were before 3.0 at threat management. The biggest problem before was that Crushing Blow would only hit multiple targets if you used it on a mob that you had first hit with sundering strike, so if your DPS burned the mob you sundered you were down your biggest AOE threat generator until sundering strike was back off cool down. Now it works similar, it only spreads after you hit a mob with Aegis Assault but it's reliant on the buff Aegis gives you instead. Add that to smash and saber reflect generating massive threat you're in pretty good shape. They just lack a strong AOE opener like Wither or Firestorm. But Juggs are way more fun than Powertech so it's worth it. That's good. I'll tell you this, jugg tank is the most fun I've had playing through solo content so far. You're just a leaping, smashing, pushing, choking, wrecking ball of invincible destruction. Definitely getting my darth vader fix from it.
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