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DrAlexanderTobacco
Jun 11, 2012

Help me find my true dharma


Open hatches save lives! If those hatches were closed, everyone's insides would be jelly and not just the driver.

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OhYeah
Jan 20, 2007

1. Currently the most prevalent form of decision-making in the western world

2. While you are correct in saying that the society owns

3. You have not for a second demonstrated here why

4. I love the way that you equate "state" with "bureaucracy". Is that how you really feel about the state
Guys great news!

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/policy-budget/budget/2015/10/09/98-budget-hike-set-norwegian-armed-forces/73627138/

quote:

Norway’s armed forces is set to gain a 9.8 percent real term increase in its budget for 2016. The rise, contained in the government’s newly released budget proposal, will result in defense spending climbing by US $526 million to $6 billion in 2016.

Let's get this show on the road.

quote:

The planned budget hike for 2016 will increase Norway’s defense spending to 1.54 percent of GDP.

:stare: One of the richest countries in the world, budget hike of 10% and we're still only at 1.5% GDP defense spending.

inkjet_lakes
Feb 9, 2015

B4Ctom1 posted:

So by now everyone here has probably heard about the Russian missiles headed for Syria that accidentally crashed in Iran?
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/08/politics/russian-missiles-syria-landed-iran/index.html?eref=rss_world

Reminds me of the BBC Desert Storm documentary with a US General dryly stating that 'Downtown Teheran would not have been a good mission' when talking about Tomahawks using the mountains of Iran as a radar waypoint.

[quote="B4Ctom1" post="451207367"]
Things are not going well there:

:nms:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fb9_1444332194

How the hell did those guys escape that? Can only imagine their ears will be ringing for a while.

Force de Fappe
Nov 7, 2008

OhYeah posted:

:stare: One of the richest countries in the world, budget hike of 10% and we're still only at 1.5% GDP defense spending.


And that includes 22 F-35's.

monkeytennis
Apr 26, 2007


Toilet Rascal

inkjet_lakes posted:

She's not passing near me on her farewell flight :( (though knowing what Vulcan to the Sky are like the farewell may be in the same way Kiss keep having farewells)



Also this picture was taken from a Spitfire :britain:

They're now saying that this weekend will not be the farewell flight and that they'll fly again before the end of the month. They might be saying that to try and avoid massive crowds though as the local plod are threatening to stop them flying if the roads around EGCN start getting too congested.

Thankfully, I live down the lane so will be walking down to watch her go and come back.

MikeCrotch
Nov 5, 2011

I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese

B4Ctom1 posted:

So by now everyone here has probably heard about the Russian missiles headed for Syria that accidentally crashed in Iran?
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/08/politics/russian-missiles-syria-landed-iran/index.html?eref=rss_world

During a discussion of these systems somebody showed me this:


Someone had a short round!

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.


Look at the bright side: we might finally have some resolution to those debates about how post-USSR Russian equipment fares against post-GW1 US gear.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

Through the front armor and the crew got out. Wouldn't have expected that.

Xerxes17
Feb 17, 2011

Cyrano4747 posted:

Look at the bright side: we might finally have some resolution to those debates about how post-USSR Russian equipment fares against post-GW1 US gear.

That's a T-62 though.


Godholio posted:

Through the front armor and the crew got out. Wouldn't have expected that.

Me either, though I'd imagine those guys that got out are going to have some horrific burn injuries, or will die later in hospital.

DrAlexanderTobacco
Jun 11, 2012

Help me find my true dharma

Godholio posted:

Through the front armor and the crew got out. Wouldn't have expected that.

Lots of factors at play. The two main things that occur in a tank when a HEAT round hits are overpressure, and highly directional damage due to the copper slug. Copper slug most definitely caked the driver which is why you don't see him get out. Due to the open hatches though, overpressure isn't nearly as big as a problem.

Adrenaline probably plays a big part too. Those dudes may have managed to get out of the tank but you can see one's literally smoking/on fire (the chap on the right) - I wouldn't be surprised if he died after the clip ended.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

Godholio posted:

Through the front armor and the crew got out. Wouldn't have expected that.

Yeah I was pretty impressed. Poor bastard who went back probably shouldn't have made that call, though.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

Where'd they get the TOW and was that a Russian army tank? Wouldn't have thought operate T-62 still.

Seizure Meat
Jul 23, 2008

by Smythe
I wish the TOW's went through T-62 frontal armor for me that easily in Red Dragon :mad:

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

Arglebargle III posted:

Where'd they get the TOW and was that a Russian army tank? Wouldn't have thought operate T-62 still.

Uh. Go to D&D and read one of the only good threads: Middle East thread.

DrAlexanderTobacco
Jun 11, 2012

Help me find my true dharma

Arglebargle III posted:

Where'd they get the TOW and was that a Russian army tank? Wouldn't have thought operate T-62 still.

KSA are supplying CIA vetted groups, providing the TOW operators film the missile as it's fired and ensure the serial number on the tube is visible. Otherwise they don't get replacement missiles

Pimpmust
Oct 1, 2008

Arglebargle III posted:

Where'd they get the TOW and was that a Russian army tank? Wouldn't have thought operate T-62 still.

It's a Syrian army tank. The russians only have like a dozen T-90s guarding their airbase and they aren't helping out in ground ops.

They've delivered a few modernish BTRs to Syria though.

Mazz
Dec 12, 2012

Orion, this is Sperglord Actual.
Come on home.
Doesn't look like there is any ERA on the front of that 62 either, and that's probably at least an I-TOW, so not all that surprising of a penetration.

On an ADA/C-RAM note, this seems pretty interesting. I've seen the AIM-9 Increment 1 thing before, but not this yet.

http://www.army-technology.com/news/newsus-army-engineers-demonstrate-eaps-capability-to-counter-uas-threats-4688379

http://www.lockheedmartin.co.uk/content/dam/lockheed/data/mfc/documents/eaps/mfc-eaps-brochure.pdf
(:lol: looking this over the slides repeat themselves at least 6 times)

Mazz fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Oct 9, 2015

Back Hack
Jan 17, 2010


Oh boy, are they still trying to marketing those lightweight vertical launch platforms that can be airdrop by Blackhawk or towed by Humvees, how many years has it been they came out with it? Ten years?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_-_0cys17Q

Back Hack fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Oct 9, 2015

Dandywalken
Feb 11, 2014

If it aint EFOG-M, it aint nothin!

Doctor Grape Ape
Aug 26, 2005

Dammit Doc, I just bought this for you 3 months ago. Try and keep it around for a bit longer this time.
Wasn't there a hilarious CGI video of a similar Russian weapons system that culminated with the guys deploying it making a bad rear end motorcycle getaway?

Alaan
May 24, 2005

Doctor Grape Ape posted:

Wasn't there a hilarious CGI video of a similar Russian weapons system that culminated with the guys deploying it making a bad rear end motorcycle getaway?

Yep! I think that was the one where the entire US Air Force including retired planes and a good chunk of Naval aviation was on one base with 0 defenses.

goatsestretchgoals
Jun 4, 2011

Doctor Grape Ape posted:

Wasn't there a hilarious CGI video of a similar Russian weapons system that culminated with the guys deploying it making a bad rear end motorcycle getaway?

Alaan posted:

Yep! I think that was the one where the entire US Air Force including retired planes and a good chunk of Naval aviation was on one base with 0 defenses.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp7mM2TP_1A

E: Just noticed "Fresh Fruits" on the side of the truck. This is no Russian attack, it was the Ukrainian homonazis!

Alaan
May 24, 2005

On the note of things I was previously unaware of until recently, don't Quad Copters get incredibly difficult to stabilize when you scale them up and lose efficiency?

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Alaan posted:

On the note of things I was previously unaware of until recently, don't Quad Copters get incredibly difficult to stabilize when you scale them up and lose efficiency?

Huh, by scale them up, do you mean make them huge or just making them faster?

Because the one that guy actually achieved human powered flight from was huge, and I'd figure that higher speeds would be easier to deal with because the tip speed would be lower for a given lift.

Slo-Tek
Jun 8, 2001

WINDOWS 98 BEAT HIS FRIEND WITH A SHOVEL
Cherry picker crane views of a bunch of experimental aircraft getting moved off-base and into the new USAF Museum hangar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSIFfQXmXe8

That Works
Jul 22, 2006

Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy


Are we doing a lot of drone ops in Syria right now? Hadn't really heard much about it at all.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

That Works posted:

Are we doing a lot of drone ops in Syria right now? Hadn't really heard much about it at all.

The CIA doesn't really publicize that sort of thing, but I'd be surprised if we weren't.

DakianDelomast
Mar 5, 2003

buttcoinbrony posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp7mM2TP_1A

E: Just noticed "Fresh Fruits" on the side of the truck. This is no Russian attack, it was the Ukrainian homonazis!

That video makes the least sense out of any video I've seen on YouTube. It's more nonsensical than the "Imagining the 10th Dimension" guy.

That Works posted:

Are we doing a lot of drone ops in Syria right now? Hadn't really heard much about it at all.

http://theaviationist.com/2015/10/07/russian-jets-intercepted-us-drones/

Yeah and they're great intercept targets since they won't shoot back.

DakianDelomast fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Oct 9, 2015

Alaan
May 24, 2005

Skies over Syria are going to be an ongoing total mess for the foreseeable future.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

Alaan posted:

Syria [is] going to be an ongoing total mess for the foreseeable future.

Don't just stop with airspace.

Rodrigo Diaz
Apr 16, 2007

Knights who are at the wars eat their bread in sorrow;
their ease is weariness and sweat;
they have one good day after many bad

buttcoinbrony posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp7mM2TP_1A

E: Just noticed "Fresh Fruits" on the side of the truck. This is no Russian attack, it was the Ukrainian homonazis!

The best part about the attack on the airbase (i stopped watching after that) is that, implicitly, nobody dies. Even the one F-16 pilot you see is just looking around inside his cockpit confused.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
Keep watching, it's like Cobra Commander's wet dream.

goatsestretchgoals
Jun 4, 2011

Rodrigo Diaz posted:

The best part about the attack on the airbase (i stopped watching after that) is that, implicitly, nobody dies. Even the one F-16 pilot you see is just looking around inside his cockpit confused.

If this had come out in 1995, it would have been the best C&C1 mission briefing.

Plinkey
Aug 4, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Rodrigo Diaz posted:

The best part about the attack on the airbase (i stopped watching after that) is that, implicitly, nobody dies. Even the one F-16 pilot you see is just looking around inside his cockpit confused.

Uh, did you miss the part where the Aardvarks apparently came out of the bone yard?

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

Why would Aardvarks be in the Bone yard?

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Arglebargle III posted:

Why would Aardvarks be in the Bone yard?

Because they're a swing wing bomber, duh.

Plinkey
Aug 4, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

xthetenth posted:

Because they're a swing wing bomber, duh.

I actually looked quick, I couldn't find any :(

e: I found one!

https://www.google.com/maps/place/D...748ce38!6m1!1e1

Also was there some treaty need to gently caress up ABL so bad or something like that?

https://www.google.com/maps/place/D...748ce38!6m1!1e1

That is ABL right?

Plinkey fucked around with this message at 06:02 on Oct 10, 2015

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
No, but frankly they probably stripped it for parts. There are a lot of airframes in that parking lot that will never return to service because they're hulks that donated everything usable to keep their siblings flying.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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So China "released" the "specs" for their "stealth fighter."

http://nextbigfuture.com/2015/10/chinas-j31-stealth-fighter.html

Crew: one (pilot)
Length: 16.9 m (55 ft 5 in)
Wingspan: 11.5 m (37 ft 9 in)
Height: 4.8 m (15 ft 9 in)
Wing area: 40 m2 (430 sq ft)
Gross weight: 17,600 kg (38,801 lb)
Powerplant: 2 × RD-93 afterburning Turbofans, 84 kN (19,000 lbf) thrust each
Current domestic powerplant - 88.3 kN thrust each
Powerplant: 2 × WS-13A afterburning Turbofans, 100 kN (22,000 lbf) thrust each
Maximum speed: 2,205 km/h (1,369 mph; 1,190 kn)
Maximum speed: Mach 1.8
Combat range: 1,200 km (777 mi; 675 nmi)
Ferry range: 4,000 km (2,485 mi; 2,160 nmi)
Thrust/weight: ~1

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Space Gopher
Jul 31, 2006

BLITHERING IDIOT AND HARDCORE DURIAN APOLOGIST. LET ME TELL YOU WHY THIS SHIT DON'T STINK EVEN THOUGH WE ALL KNOW IT DOES BECAUSE I'M SUPER CULTURED.

xthetenth posted:

Huh, by scale them up, do you mean make them huge or just making them faster?

Because the one that guy actually achieved human powered flight from was huge, and I'd figure that higher speeds would be easier to deal with because the tip speed would be lower for a given lift.

Quadcopter layouts are good for small drones because they can be outrageously simple. If you have good control over rotor RPM, you don't need separate control surfaces - you can just run fixed-pitch rotors and change how fast they spin. That's a great match for electric motors hooked up to small, very-low-mass rotors. With four motors hooked up to stupid-simple solid props, a frame, a battery, and a hobbyist microcontroller, you can build a powered-lift flying machine, dangle a camera from it, and go stop firefighters from doing their job.

Make everything bigger, though, and you end up needing piston or turbine engines that don't spin up as quickly. Worse. your rotors have a ton more momentum. Instead of just varying rotor RPM, you need collective pitch on each rotor to keep the thing controllable. Now that you've added collective controls, you've lost the simplicity that made the quadcopter design attractive in the first place. Cutting the number of rotors in half and adding cyclic controls to one or both of them starts to sound like a pretty good way to keep complexity down, and you've come all the way back around to a traditional helicopter.

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