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Pellisworth posted:Up to you. Post a map with religious map maybe? If the HRE is really divided religiously and a mess it might not be worthwhile to spend a lot of energy on it.   The Reformations took a long time to fire, but Saxony and Bohemia are fully Protestant and Austria's just started the Reformed heresy. Pretty much all the electors is in favour of the second reform, so if I add my provinces to the HRE I could easily pass it.
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Watched the secret stream. Random New World is looking good. Excited for things like the Crimson Empire. I'd sort of like to see a pool of pre-defined flags (maybe seperated by continent/religion group to seperate out Christian/Islamic symbols) that the generator could pull from. Like first it assigns all the vanilla native American flags to random countries in the New World and maybe some unique fantasy flags, and only once they are all used up does the generator start generating the "RED HORSE ON CYAN AND PURPLE STRIPES" that the random flag maker vomits out. Like, you could probably ask the community to come up with nice looking fantasy flags based off the following categories: Christian Europe Islam Africa Asia Native America and come up with hundreds of cool looking flags that the random generator could use. Add in a flag browser so players could pick from them, and have the current flag generator be a fallback thing.
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Oct 9, 2015 23:29
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You can make some nice flags with the current maker but most of them look like absolute rear end in the tiny view next to units. Also the random generated ones are invariably eye-searingly bad
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Is the Crimson Empire a reference to something? It feels like it is but I'm not getting it.
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Oct 9, 2015 23:48
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YoSaff posted:
You're early enough and it looks like the HRE is salvagable enough that you could probably pass most of the reforms within ~100-150 years if you get to it. Clear out any unecessary relations slots to make room for alliances and royal marriages to electors. I can't quite tell what is Saxony/Bohemia/Brandenburg on that map but focus on declaring war on the protestant electors to revoke their electorship or convert their religion. Give elector titles to smaller Catholic nations. Keep an eye out for smaller protestant or reformed nations in the empire that you can diplo convert. Also as long as you are sure that you'll be reelected (4 votes is always enough, 3 is usually enough for incumbent emperors because at least two electors will vote for themselves) you should always have your king leading troops in battle, the more he dies the more IA you get. Obviously dont do this if you have a terrible heir (either bad stats, or young enough to need a regency council) edit: also add your capital to the HRE and slowly add provinces whenever you need a small boost to pass reforms, dont just add them all at once.
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Oct 10, 2015 01:52
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YoSaff posted:
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YF-23 posted:Is the Crimson Empire a reference to something? It feels like it is but I'm not getting it. Its where the Crimson King holds his court, obviously. New mission: "Conquer Midworld".
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YoSaff posted:
Earlier than I thought and not too much of a mess. Definitely add your capital, being a permanent member of the HRE will mean you can attack other members without calling in the Emperor, and you get the benefits from reforms. It will be a fair bit of effort to straighten out the HRE and the Reformation and League war will be fun, but you're Italy and should be a goddamn monster. Edit: 420 Gank Mid gave you some good advice, if you decide to try and play Emperor and have any questions on HRE management post back and I'm sure we can give you some more detailed advice.
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Oct 10, 2015 02:21
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Also, a little bit of an update on Venice -> Byzantium, it's going much better second time around. various observations-- You want to convert to Greek and Orthodox ASAP. Don't bother waiting for the Dominican Inquisition unique event (gives +2 Heretic Tolerance, +10% Religious Unity or -2 Heretic Tolerance +1% Missionary Strength) that is Catholic-specific. It's really the two +0.3/year RT bonuses you want, I waited too long and it basically became impossible to convert in my last game. Venice and Byzantium both have poo poo-tier troops, or at least compared to most of your big neighbors. Venice has really low manpower, once you form Byzantium this becomes less of an issue but you still only have 5% Discipline for army quality bonuses. You will need a TON of mercs especially for your early wars. Expect to take unfavorable casualties against the Ottomans pretty much up until the day you 100% annex them. Merrrcs. I hadn't really noticed this before, but Venice -> Byz gets mega Goods Produced bonuses. This is hands-down the best economic modifier, it's effectively +10% Production AND Trade Efficiency but is also multiplicative with those two. Oh and it modifies gold income too, it's very good. I got +10% from Admin ideas, +10% from Plutocratic, +5% Byzantine NIs, +10% if the Guilds faction is in power for 25-35% total. That's ENORMOUS. Basically once you form Byz you are super stable with your religious bonuses and rich as gently caress. Your army kinda sucks though.
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Poland-Lithuania is loving disgraceful: A Short Story There was this loving awful principality called Novgorod. Novgorod, being an rear end in a top hat, would band together with other assholes, namely Poland-Lithuania. After having suffered the smackdown of a lifetime by Muscovy, they held a few provinces together. Years later, Finland would be released by a tactical blunder made by Sweden, and the Finns were all too eager to be under the awesomeness of St George kicking rear end by the Orthodox and True Church in Russia. The insidious assholeness of Novgorod, made exponentially worse by years of resentment, made them declare war against the poor Finns, dragging Muscovy and Poland-Lithuania into the mess. Poland-Lithuania, being the OP scumbags and baby-eating peasants that they are, had those loving huge stacks going around and banding together and suffering attrition separately, as well as having the blessings of the Lucky Factor, which only expanded their supreme assholeness. The brave Muscovites rallied together and scorched earth, dragged them around and bled them as much as possible while tanking their manpower. Of course, even with zero manpower, both assholes went on raging their combined 50k armies around. Novgorod, in a move of unparalled supreme douchebaggery by the time, went on and reclaimed their old capital, allegedly slapping their rotten dicks in the faces of the finnish diplomats, acting not unlike those tiny weakling bastards who happen to be friends somehow with the local bully (aka Poland). It is said that a while afterwards, Novgorod was recaptured by the Muscovites and their ruler was executed by the greatest wedgie ever applied in human history. Counting with the support of their Polish friends, the Novgorodians did not realize that the PLC was completely loving drained after fighting three brutal winters and that made the good ol' Holy Roman Emperor all too eager to give some payback. The last paragraph seems to be the hopes of the author, according to research.
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Oct 10, 2015 03:13
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You know what would be a neat DLC idea? A challenge creator. Like how achievements are meant to get an in-game browser to show you which ones you are eligible for during a playthrough, make it so that players can create custom challenges - IE as X tag conquer Y region - and share them. Or you can share custom setups without going to the Steam workshop.
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Oct 10, 2015 10:54
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So I just found out why Admin, Exploration, Defensive Muscowy is more fun than Religious, Exploration, Defensive. Since I can't convert poo poo fast enough I mostly went for Sweden, Lithuania and the Baltic, so I got tons of AE with Europe, cue coalition war Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Poland-Lithuania, Brandenburg and some other HRE members against me and my best buddies Austria-Hungary. Just let them come to Russian winter hell and enjoy their war exhaustion. Most fun coalition war I've had, can't wait for Admin 12 so I can get religious and own the rest of the Steppe tough. Not sure if Admin, Defensive, Religious would work and just dumping all those diplo points into culture conversion.
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Oct 10, 2015 11:02
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Tahirovic posted:Not sure if Admin, Defensive, Religious would work and just dumping all those diplo points into culture conversion. Don't skip exploration. Anyone who can colonize relatively uncontested, should. It's the ABC of EU4. Always be colonizing. Or conquering. Preferably both.
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Oct 10, 2015 11:18
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Anyone have any recommendations for the Re-reconquista? I've done like 10-15 restarts without really getting to a secure position. Tried to stay and attack Spain while they're fighting France+Aragon but they are often allied to Portugal and together they can beat me quite easily despite fighting France. I've also tried to escape to North Africa by attacking Tlemcen in order to be able to colonize and move to N but I never get far enough since both Portugal and Spain attack my African holdings, plus most of the provinces are dirt poor.
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Oct 10, 2015 11:30
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More Austria questions: Was I an idiot to take Humanism instead of Religious? I feel like I need to be smashing the heretic princes and stomping out Protestantism and Reformists wherever they pop up, since they tank my Authority gain. Would Religious have been a better choice for this? Or does it not matter? It's 1550 and I haven't seen much of the Thirty Years War stuff.
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Oct 10, 2015 12:49
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You'll be wanting to keep the princes Catholic, your own country doesn't matter much for that except in so far as you might be in a position where you could convert a Centre of Reformation.
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Oct 10, 2015 13:14
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Star posted:Anyone have any recommendations for the Re-reconquista? I've done like 10-15 restarts without really getting to a secure position. Tried to stay and attack Spain while they're fighting France+Aragon but they are often allied to Portugal and together they can beat me quite easily despite fighting France. I've also tried to escape to North Africa by attacking Tlemcen in order to be able to colonize and move to N but I never get far enough since both Portugal and Spain attack my African holdings, plus most of the provinces are dirt poor. That achievement is extremely hard. Are you able to ally the Ottomans?
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Oct 10, 2015 13:28
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Baudin posted:That achievement is extremely hard. Are you able to ally the Ottomans? Too far away and too weak, at least in the beginning. I think I can once I manage to actually eat up some of the other North African powers but I haven't survived that far yet.
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Oct 10, 2015 13:47
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Star posted:Too far away and too weak, at least in the beginning. I think I can once I manage to actually eat up some of the other North African powers but I haven't survived that far yet. I did this in 1.12, YMMV. Ally Morocco and Tunis, fabricate on Tlemclen. DoW Tlemclen, let your allies fight, you siege. Take as much of Tlemclen as possible, core it up. At this point Otto turned friendly and I snagged an alliance. Fabricate on Morocco, a CB on them might be useful soon. Now, either Portugal attacks Morocco or Castile attacks you. If it's the former, consider backstabbing Morocco and DoW them yourself, take two provinces that let you release two different vassals. If it's the latter, don't bother with troops in Iberia, deny them in Africa as best you can. I managed a white peace, but don't remember what made them settle for that after occupying all my Iberian holdings. Fight Morocco some more, feed and integrate vassals. Turn on Tunis, if they're allied to Otto DoW another of their allies. Always be on the lookout for Aragon being weak, have a claim on that Island of theirs, if you're lucky you might get to release Catalunya! I remember I had the luck on my side so some of this stuff, like the white peace in the first Castilian DoW, might be hard to recreate. And if France takes a province you need and then a monster Spain forms...
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The problem is that I never succeed in allying the ottomans. They never want to ally since I am too far away and too weak.
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Oct 10, 2015 16:36
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I feel like getting a malus for "navy size" (in the AI logic for determining an alliance) when you're a landlocked nation is pretty dumb.
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MrBling posted:I feel like getting a malus for "navy size" (in the AI logic for determining an alliance) when you're a landlocked nation is pretty dumb. Maybe the AI wants an ally who can help them with naval wars?
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Oct 10, 2015 16:48
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What should my second idea group be as the Ottos? I have humanist, and in the past Admin would have been my second idea group, but you can't do that now. I was thinking maybe Influence or a military idea (Quantity?). Any suggestions?
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Bishop Rodan posted:What should my second idea group be as the Ottos? I have humanist, and in the past Admin would have been my second idea group, but you can't do that now. I was thinking maybe Influence or a military idea (Quantity?). Any suggestions?
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Tahirovic posted:So I just found out why Admin, Exploration, Defensive Muscowy is more fun than Religious, Exploration, Defensive. Since I can't convert poo poo fast enough I mostly went for Sweden, Lithuania and the Baltic, so I got tons of AE with Europe, cue coalition war Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Poland-Lithuania, Brandenburg and some other HRE members against me and my best buddies Austria-Hungary. Just let them come to Russian winter hell and enjoy their war exhaustion. Most fun coalition war I've had, can't wait for Admin 12 so I can get religious and own the rest of the Steppe tough. Just as an aside, I'd wager extra diplo points would be better spent on development than culture conversion. But I'd much rather have Explo than Defense at that point, so a moot point for me.
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Oct 10, 2015 17:10
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Starting an MP game shortly with a friend to help him get into EU4. What are a couple of good countries to play that capture most or all of the nuances of the game? He wanted to do a Holland start but being that that's now a mess of vassals and PUs in a hostile neighbourhood I doubt he will have much fun with his game. Any good allies of Holland I (or he) can play instead? Open to non-western nations as well if there's a particularly fun start somewhere in Asia or Africa.
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Hambilderberglar posted:Starting an MP game shortly with a friend to help him get into EU4. What are a couple of good countries to play that capture most or all of the nuances of the game?
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Hambilderberglar posted:Starting an MP game shortly with a friend to help him get into EU4. What are a couple of good countries to play that capture most or all of the nuances of the game? A friend of mine and I were Burgundy and England, respectively. This was when France was way stronger and he still managed alright. We destroyed France together, then he formed the Netherlands and we colonized some stuff before getting bored. You could try being little HRE bros too, Brandenburg and Saxony maybe?
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I tried a game where a friend of mine played Britanny and I played France. An early war against Provence to teach him the ropes of land warfare, he can help you out against England, and you can help him unite the celtic lands of Ireland, and later Wales/Scotland while you take England for yourself. This gives you some tangible end goal that isn't in the HRE. And like Portugal, he can of course also colonize.
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Bort Bortles posted:Dont let a new player start in Holland; it is small, a junior partner in a PU, and in the HRE. He will hate the game. Be a buddy combo like Portugal and Edit: something that forces a meaningful interaction with the trade system and colonization would be fun. He's getting to understand CK2 reasonably well and the trade routes and colonization are the features he's not had much interaction with. (Or a navy that does more than raise galleys to move guys) E2: ^^^ Thanks, Brandenburg/Saxony sounds like a fun time. Brandenburg can form Prussia afaik, does Saxony have a super powered version of itself as well? Hambilderberglar fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Oct 10, 2015 |
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I wouldn't really recommend Portugal as they start so isolated there's fairly little to do except colonize. And while it's fun to dominate trade, trade is probably the most difficult thing for a newcomer to grasp so jumping right into a huge trading nation is probably not the best first game choice.
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Hambilderberglar posted:E2: ^^^ Thanks, Brandenburg/Saxony sounds like a fun time. Brandenburg can form Prussia afaik, does Saxony have a super powered version of itself as well? Saxony can also form Prussia, but aside from Germany there's no obvious other formable for it. Presumably if Brandenburg goes to be Prussia, Saxony should look at eating Bohemia and becoming HRE.
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It's making me crabby that I'll keep thinking "oooh, maybe I'll play a game of EUIV as Country X", and then I remember playing Country X will be much cooler with feature Y which is coming in the unannounced expansion and I go play something else instead. I am my own worst enemy. 
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Kanfy posted:I wouldn't really recommend Portugal as they start so isolated there's fairly little to do except colonize. And while it's fun to dominate trade, trade is probably the most difficult thing for a newcomer to grasp so jumping right into a huge trading nation is probably not the best first game choice. Fintilgin posted:It's making me crabby that I'll keep thinking "oooh, maybe I'll play a game of EUIV as Country X", and then I remember playing Country X will be much cooler with feature Y which is coming in the unannounced expansion and I go play something else instead. AAAAA! Real Muenster fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Oct 10, 2015 |
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Oct 10, 2015 18:00
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Star posted:Too far away and too weak, at least in the beginning. I think I can once I manage to actually eat up some of the other North African powers but I haven't survived that far yet. I once tried a granada play and I got declared by Genoa in the first 3 months or so of the game. My allies Algiers and Tunis were more than able to deal with them and by grabbing Corsica I was able to ally the Ottomans. That's a 1 in a million chance though... I've never managed to pull it off.
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Oct 10, 2015 18:01
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Bohemia got the Netherlands from the death of the Duke of Burgundy. My games have been quite novel as of late.
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So I haven't played this game in forever and it's changed a lot since then. Is there a good youtube guide or other general tutorial that's current with all the expansions that you guys would recommend, just to get some basic proficiency under my belt? Also, changing lucky nations status doesn't lock you out of achievements, right?
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Transmetropolitan posted:Bohemia got the Netherlands from the death of the Duke of Burgundy. My first Venice -> Byzantium run, Brandenburg got all the HRE Burgundian lands. Keep in mind they're Lucky now. That was pretty scary  prussian advisor posted:So I haven't played this game in forever and it's changed a lot since then. Is there a good youtube guide or other general tutorial that's current with all the expansions that you guys would recommend, just to get some basic proficiency under my belt? You have to have lucky nations on historical for achievements. For starter nations with your friend I would do France + anyone decent sized. I'd recommend against starting in the HRE, unless your buddy is really interested in that and willing to read up on the basics.
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double nine posted:I once tried a granada play and I got declared by Genoa in the first 3 months or so of the game. My allies Algiers and Tunis were more than able to deal with them and by grabbing Corsica I was able to ally the Ottomans. That's a 1 in a million chance though... I've never managed to pull it off. It seems like something like that have to happen in order to make it. I actually manage to evacuate the European continent and migrate to the Caribbean but Spain and GB followed me soon after and I have really no chance to fight back since I only have around 8 provinces and the moment they colonize next to me they turn hostile. It was a good try but it's time to restart, again...
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