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Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop

Cleretic posted:

I'm beginning to wonder how we got our good infrastructure and services in the first place. I mean, we clearly don't actually want them.
We got them when we had a much higher personal tax rate. Turns out reducing taxes reduces services. Other than that it is a complete mystery.

Also when presented with the facts as an 'infrastructure prime minister' do you build roads or improve public transport?



I'm a little disappointed nobody lambasted Turdball for claiming the world had open borders in my previous post.

Senor Tron posted:

You're making it really hard to not invoke Godwin.
Don't poke poo poo.

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Inner City Leftist
Jun 5, 2011
I'm really not looking forward to 11 years of Turnbull. Is there any hope for Shorten getting knifed or do we need to wait 10 years for the green uprising?

Birb Katter
Sep 18, 2010

BOATS STOPPED
CARBON TAX AXED
TURNBULL AS PM
LIBERALS WILL BE RE-ELECTED IN A LANDSLIDE

Inner City Leftist posted:

I'm really not looking forward to 11 years of Turnbull. Is there any hope for Shorten getting knifed or do we need to wait 10 years for the green uprising?

There is only one thing we can be certain of, death is coming.

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
Does anyone have AbbottWizard.jpg lying around with the big flaming DEATH IS CERTAIN?

Divorced And Curious
Jan 23, 2009

democracy depends on sausage sizzles

AgentF posted:

RUPERT MURDOCH

not eligible due to lifetime achievement award

Halo14
Sep 11, 2001
http://i.imgur.com/q2P2BBp.png

Halo14 fucked around with this message at 07:48 on Oct 11, 2015

Splode
Jun 18, 2013

put some clothes on you little freak
use timg tags dude, that's huge.

Also, Hitler famously shook hands with Jesse Owens lol

TheIllestVillain
Dec 27, 2011

Sal, Wyoming's not a country

Splode posted:

use timg tags dude, that's huge.

Also, Hitler famously shook hands with Jesse Owens lol

Eediot Jedi
Dec 25, 2007

This is where I begin to speculate what being a
man of my word costs me


Quoting this because it was the last page and it's really nice to have demi-good news in between fascism bouts. I mean it's really good that doctor's are holding up a big middle finger to border force and the government, but terrible that it's necessary at all.

Zenithe
Feb 25, 2013

Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.

I'm pretty sure there was another photo of that same guy shaking hands with a literal Nazi somewhere.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008


quote:


AUSTRALIA’S most powerful medical groups and the State Government are standing in support of the Royal Children’s Hospital’s demands that children be removed from immigration detentions centres.

As revealed by the Herald Sun, RCH doctors are defying the Federal Government following showdowns with the Immigration Department over the return of children to detention centres.

Distressed about the welfare of dozens of patients brought to the hospital while housed in Australian immigration detention centres, RCH staff are demanding the Federal Government ceases locking children in detention.

EDITORIAL: TURNBULL MUST ACT NOW FOR CHILDREN

DOCTORS TELL: WHY WE’RE TAKING A STAND FOR THE KIDS

Victoria’s Health Minister Jill Hennessy said the RCH doctors were acting out of concern for their patients, not politics.

“I’m extremely proud to be the health minister in a state where its doctors and nurses are putting the interest of children first,” Ms Hennessy said.

“If the staff of the Royal Children’s Hospital come to the clinical view that it is not in the interests of those children to go back into detention, then we will support them.”

“I can only imagine what it’s like to be a clinician, to treat a child, then have to reflect upon the health consequences of putting that child back into detention,” she said.

As to whether the push would see changes to the law announced by Federal Immigration Minister Peter Dutton, she didn’t hold her breath.

“Do I hold great hope about a lightning bolt of compassion from Minister Dutton, no I don’t. But we will support the doctors supporting those children in whatever way we can,” she said.

She did not feel the healthcare industry speaking out would send mixed messages to those in detention centres or those trying to enter Australia illegally.

Royal Australian College of Physicians president Prof Nick Talley also said the college stood behind the RCH stance to remove all children from immigration detention for their health and safety.

“Detention centres are no place for children,” Prof Talley said.

“This situation is unacceptable and the RACP encourages the Government to respond swiftly to the recent Senate report that recommended the removal of all children and their families into the Australian community.

“The RACP will continue to advocate for the immediate end to immigration detention including release of all children as well as for urgent amendments to the newly introduced Australian Border Force Act.

Prof Talley said RACP supports recommendations of the Senate Committee asking for the complete removal of asylum seeker children and their families from detention on Nauru and a comprehensive audit of all allegations of sexual abuse and child abuse at the detention centre.

“The health and wellbeing of children should never be open to compromise,”he said.

“No child should be held in detention.”

Doctors refuse to send kids back to detention

The Sunday Herald Sun understands matters escalated this year when a child with a range of health issues was transferred from a detention centre, prompting a standoff of more than a month while doctors said they could not clinically discharge the patient.

Immigration guards placed at the entrance to some patients’ rooms 24 hours a day have also outraged medical staff.

Doctors believe they cannot ethically discharge patients only for them to be returned to conditions they believe will damage their health and jeopardise their safety.

Despite laws passed by Federal Parliament this year threatening two years’ jail for health workers who speak out against conditions in immigration detention centres, more than 400 RCH staff gathered in a show of support on Friday demanding children be released from detention.

“We see a whole range of physical, mental, emotional and social disturbances that are really severe and we have no hope of improving these things when we have to discharge our patients back into detention,” one paediatrician said.

There are about 100 children aged from birth to 18 locked up in onshore Australian immigration detention centres.

Of that number there are 18 in Melbourne Immigration Transit Accommodation, and a similar number in offshore centres such as Nauru.

We see a whole range of physical, mental, emotional and social disturbances that are really severe

Responding to the doctors’ plea, Immigration Minister Peter Dutton said he would not support a change in government policy.

“I understand the concern of doctors, but the Defence and Border Force staff on our vessels who were pulling dead kids out of the water don’t want the boats to restart,” Mr Dutton said.

In the past year, dozens of children have been taken to the RCH for medical conditions. Most had been in detention for between 18 months and two years.

Under the Border Protection Act, introduced in May, healthcare workers and anyone else working in immigration detention centres can be jailed for two years if they speak out about the centres.

But Royal Children’s Hospital chairman Rob Knowles backed hospital staff for taking their stand to protect the health and safety of children.

“The work of RCH doctors and nurses is highly valued by the Victorian community, and has made this hospital a global leader in adolescent and child health,” Mr Knowles said.

“It is not surprising these same specialists would be concerned about the detention of children, on the basis that detention can have severe detrimental impacts on children’s health.

“Our staff have consistently acted responsibly and in a considered manner in relation to the treatment of children in detention, and I support their right to have a responsible, considered opinion on this significant matter of public interest.”


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...tors_picks=true

:siren: DO NOT READ THE COMMENTS :siren:

I would blow Dane Cook fucked around with this message at 08:36 on Oct 11, 2015

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
http://www.smh.com.au/national/all-teenage-jihadis-came-from-public-school-system-20151009-gk5vdu.html

well this is happening

Cpt Soban
Jul 23, 2011

I couldn't even read the article, it demands I pay them to read something I can just get on another website.

drunkill
Sep 25, 2007

me @ ur posting
Fallen Rib
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Evi4OpC0RN0

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/vic-labor-hit-by-mega-branchstack-scam-20151009-gk5qqs.html

quote:

Anonymous gift cards were used to pay the dues of hundreds of ALP members at the core of Bill Shorten's local power base in one of the biggest-ever branch-stacking scams to hit the Victorian Labor party.

Insiders close to it say the operation has run for years and is closely linked to the plumbers union and suburban Labor warlords loyal to Mr Shorten and fellow federal frontbencher, Stephen Conroy.



Documents obtained by Fairfax Media reveal that in 2013, gift cards worth thousands of dollars were used to pay Labor memberships of plumbers union officials and suburban branch members.

Among them is Plumbing Trades Employees Union organiser and Whittlesea councillor Norm Kelly. He denied any knowledge of the gift cards and insisted he always paid his own membership.

Many of the members involved appear to be of Lebanese background and linked to northern suburban powerbroker David Asmar, the husband of Diana Asmar, the Victorian secretary of the trouble-plagued Health Services Union No.1 branch.

Another group appears to centre on the family of former plumbers union assistant secretary Tony Murphy, who for many years was a party powerbroker in Melbourne's north.

The documents show the gift cards were used to buy hundreds of memberships in the last two weeks of May 2013, the period in which "multiple" party memberships are habitually renewed before the 30 May renewal deadline. Fairfax Media understands the gift cards were also used in 2012 and, to a lesser extent, in 2014.

Sources close to the branch-stacking say that, before online membership was introduced allowing gift cards to be employed, cash was used to pay the memberships.


Branch stacking involves factional players signing up new members, or renewing memberships, in bulk. Cash for payment of membership dues often comes from unions or union slush funds.

For factional warlords, the "stacks" represent numbers and power within Labor – numbers to be traded in factional and sub-factional deals and wielded in important policy and preselection battles.

The Visa gift cards used by the branch stackers are, in effect, disposable debit cards that do not show who the cardholder is or who paid for them.

Money can be placed on the cards but the cards expire once the money is used.

Each card has an individual card number, similar to a debit or credit card, and an expiry date. The lack of ability to trace who paid for them make them ideal for branch stacking.

One Labor member, Rebecca Sinclair, whose membership was paid for by an anonymous gift card said she had never used a gift card.

She said she could not recall paying for her membership in recent years.

"I seriously can't remember," she said.

Under Victorian Labor's splintered factional arrangements the plumbers, and associated party members, make up a right-wing sub-faction loyal to Shorten.

While the HSU is not currently affiliated to the ALP – it disaffiliated in 2011 amid the scandals surrounding former leaders Craig Thomson and Michael Williamson – it is an important factional resource.

The Labor leader's close friend and confidant Andrew Landeryou was a key player in Asmar's takeover of the HSU, and remains an important influence.

In August, aspiring ALP numbers man Haykel Handal was expelled from the party after a tribunal found him guilty of using anonymous debit cards to pay for about 30 memberships in the federal seats of Maribyrnong, Gellibrand and Melbourne.

Now, with the precedent firmly set, the party faces the dilemma of whether to investigate and take action over a much larger branch-stacking scam connected to more senior players in Shorten's group.

The May 2013 gift card renewals overlap with the PTEU's receipt and distribution of $36,000 from a controversial employer-bankrolled slush fund known as Industry 2020, run by Mr Shorten's successor as Australian Workers Union secretary, Cesar Melhem.


Industry 2020 was wound up when Mr Melhem was parachuted into a safe Victorian upper house seat in May 2013.

The PTEU registered its own fund in May 2013, the Progressive Social Campaign Inc, to receive and distribute some of the funds that remained in the Industry 2020 account.

Last year, plumbers union secretary Earl Setches told the trade union royal commission that all the money inherited by his Progressive Social Campaigns was paid out to "the guys who were on strike" at the time.

Mr Melhem was forced to stand down as Labor upper house whip in June after the royal commission heard allegations of a deal he did as AWU secretary with a cleaning company that left workers on lower pay in return for cash payments to the AWU.

A series of internal reviews and inquiries into branch stacking of led to numerous calls for reform. In his first major speech as Opposition Leader last year Mr Shorten promised sweeping internal reform of the ALP. However the reform push has stalled.

In March, a move to crack down on branch stacking through rules requiring all membership dues be paid by traceable means, such as a personal credit card, was defeated at state conference.


Labor even offers members a $15 discount if they pay by traceable means.

ALP Victorian secretary Noah Carroll declined to comment. Mr Setches did not respond to calls or SMS messages.

More Bill Shorten branch stacking to protect his mates.

turdbucket
Oct 30, 2011

Lol watch the ALP defend him and continue to spiral down in the polls.

Unrelated but the refugee rally in Sydney was great today, pretty good turn out. One of the last speakers after the march was a labor for refugees member and I kind of felt sorry for her..

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

Well public school are basically just state run communism training camps, so of course you're going to get violent extremists out of it.

The Irony being Australia has only not become communism already because they are run so inefficiently due to being public run. If we had sold them all off and it was private enterprise running them all, Australia would of gone full communist years ago.

tomkash posted:

Lol watch the ALP defend him and continue to spiral down in the polls.

The question being how low can he go before labor finally decided it has no choice other then to replace him. Unfortunately the answer is probably pretty loving low.

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

dr_rat posted:

Well public school are basically just state run communism training camps, so of course you're going to get violent extremists out of it.

The Irony being Australia has only not become communism already because they are run so inefficiently due to being public run. If we had sold them all off and it was private enterprise running them all, Australia would of gone full communist years ago.


The question being how low can he go before labor finally decided it has no choice other then to replace him. Unfortunately the answer is probably pretty loving low.

drat and here I was thinking it was the 'mortgagers aren't maoists' strategy of the post-war period

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
Albomania is always approaching

EvilElmo
May 10, 2009

dr_rat posted:

The question being how low can he go before labor finally decided it has no choice other then to replace him. Unfortunately the answer is probably pretty loving low.

Yeah. The public won't get rid of Turnbull in his first term. Albo or no.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

Anidav posted:

Albomania is always approaching

Albomania is just a faint, pleasant memory, important to us now only to remind us how naive we once were.

Orkin Mang
Nov 1, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
dont u guys sometimes think that love is the end of all things.

namaste.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

EvilElmo posted:

Yeah. The public won't get rid of Turnbull in his first term. Albo or no.

Never underestimate both major parties ability to screw up in ways almost beyond comprehension. But yeah, at this point it would seem Turnbulls pretty much a shoe in, baring any easily foreseeable screw up, if only because I think a lot of Australians would just really like to have a prime minister in office for at least one full term again. If only to make it a bit easier to remember who the current leader of the country is.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

Orkin Mang posted:

dont u guys sometimes think that love is the end of all things.

namaste.

Nah, you're think of mi goreng mate.

Orkin Mang
Nov 1, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
i love u rat phd

regards,
orkin mang

ps ur scutling is foul,for a mang of honour

Birb Katter
Sep 18, 2010

BOATS STOPPED
CARBON TAX AXED
TURNBULL AS PM
LIBERALS WILL BE RE-ELECTED IN A LANDSLIDE

dr_rat posted:

Never underestimate both major parties ability to screw up in ways almost beyond comprehension. But yeah, at this point it would seem Turnbulls pretty much a shoe in, baring any easily foreseeable screw up, if only because I think a lot of Australians would just really like to have a prime minister in office for at least one full term again. If only to make it a bit easier to remember who the current leader of the country is.

Federal election betting:

Coalition still a piping hot $1.13 favourite
Labor the rank outsider at $6.00

All over bar the shouting? #auspol

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
Newspoll has Labor neck and neck in 2pp while carrying a leader who has 19% preferred pm.

@GhostWhoVotes posted:

#Newspoll Federal 2 Party Preferred: L/NP 50 (-1) ALP 50 (+1) #auspol

@GhostWhoVotes posted:

#Newspoll Preferred PM: Turnbull 57 (+2) Shorten 19 (-2) #auspol

@GhostWhoVotes posted:

#Newspoll Shorten: Approve 28 (-1) Disapprove 53 (-1) #auspol

@GhostWhoVotes posted:

#Newspoll Turnbull: Approve 50 (+8) Disapprove 25 (+1) #auspol

@GhostWhoVotes posted:

#Newspoll Federal Primary Votes: L/NP 43 (-1) ALP 35 (0) GRN 12 (+1) #auspol

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
Well labor knows what they need to do. And they are very good at it too.

BBJoey
Oct 31, 2012

Orkin Mang posted:

dont u guys sometimes think that love is the end of all things.

namaste.

actually it's death.

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
Interesting, and the polls had Albo as preferred ALP Leader by a 4X% or so margin.

Orkin Mang
Nov 1, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
sup anidav.

praise death hey : )

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
Death is great, like sleep; the temporary death.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

Jumpingmanjim posted:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...tors_picks=true

quote:

Responding to the doctors’ plea, Immigration Minister Peter Dutton said he would not support a change in government policy.

“I understand the concern of doctors, but the Defence and Border Force staff on our vessels who were pulling dead kids out of the water don’t want the boats to restart,” Mr Dutton said.
:siren: DO NOT READ THE COMMENTS :siren:


So we have here the Immigration minister talking about the navy pulling corpses out of the water. Of course, it was in a complete non sequitur - children must be tortured here or the boats will start.

He's saying the boats have stopped and there are no more lines of bodies "stretching 70 nautical miles".

Sound like a ripe time for some people to start investigating exactly that, then.


I sent off emails last week, but no response yet. So I'm going to start doing it again, but this time include Nick Xenophon, Bob Day, Ricky Muir, Glenn Lazarus and Dio Wang who all voted against children in detention. And the Greens. And whoever else I can think of.


Also, I am so loving proud of every person at the Royal who is standing up for those children our nation is torturing.

I would expect no less from any health professional, but it's still so incredibly brave and good of every last one of them to do.

hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe
Death was briefly uncertain.

Death is now certain again.

I miss Tony Abbott.

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
The Onion Lord

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

Orkin Mang posted:

i love u rat phd

regards,
orkin mang

ps ur scutling is foul,for a mang of honour

I Mi Goreng you too Orkin Mang.

Ps. Scuttling is life and totally rad.

Also Barnaby doing his bi-annually not being a idiot thing.

quote:

Barnaby Joyce looks to revive health audit of Murray-Darling Basin
New Water Minister Barnaby Joyce is considering reviving a comprehensive audit of the health of the Murray-Darling Basin, after it was axed by state governments three years ago.

The most recent Sustainable Rivers Audit found that in 2010, 21 of the 23 valleys in the basin were in a poor, very poor or extremely poor condition.

"I would consider the reinstatement of the [Sustainable Rivers Audit]," Senator Joyce said.

"An audit process I think is crucial. I like processes that are based on science, as long as people have an honest appraisal of it and don't just pervert the science or use the science for another alternative or direction."

The Sustainable Rivers Audit was the most comprehensive assessment of river health ever undertaken for the Murray-Darling Basin.

It set key outcomes and benchmarks to measure and track the health of the 23 waterways looking at fish, vegetation, physical form and hydrology.

Half-way into the implementation of the Murray-Darling Basin Plan, scientists said it was not possible to directly compare how the 23 valleys had changed.

In 2012, the New South Wales Government cut 60 per cent of its share of funding for the joint management of the system and as a consequence, state governments decided to axe the audit.

Scientists believe without adequate oversight, monitoring and evaluation of the system, governments are effectively "flying blind"....

Negligent
Aug 20, 2013

Its just lovely here this time of year.
remember when that boat sank off Christmas Island and a bunch of people drowned?

Scott Morrison complained about the expense of flying the families to Sydney for the funerals.

So maybe the solution that he's come up with is to not have funerals.

Eediot Jedi
Dec 25, 2007

This is where I begin to speculate what being a
man of my word costs me

"Sank" is a generous word for a boat that appeared out of nowhere and was dashed on the rocks while locals threw life jackets from the cliff top because there was nothing else they could do aside from look on in horror.

What I'm saying is bless Mr Morrison's heavenly heart :angel:

BBJoey
Oct 31, 2012

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Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Why would you ruin a monday morning like this

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