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greatn posted:When they sure to declare this unconstitutional, mandatory is going to be the word they use. My client doesn't want to be on a list of registered voters, it's a violation of his free speech to have mandatory registration, as his decision to not register is an act of protest. It's the same system we just implemented in Oregon. As far as I know there has been zero talk of anybody challenging it in the courts.
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You just know that those various groups of conservative lawyers will find some random person they can use as a challenge, which of course SCOTUS will take up, since they will take anything that furthers their agenda
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Oct 11, 2015 04:23
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FlamingLiberal posted:You just know that those various groups of conservative lawyers will find some random person they can use as a challenge, which of course SCOTUS will take up, since they will take anything that furthers their agenda You're being a crazy person right now. There's not even the thinnest veneer of legal logic - which even the ACA case had - to justify the idea that opting out of voter registration is unconstitutional.
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Oct 11, 2015 04:49
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Kalman posted:You're being a crazy person right now. There's not even the thinnest veneer of legal logic - which even the ACA case had - to justify the idea that opting out of voter registration is unconstitutional. Ah yes, logic, something the current Republican party is well known for.
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Oct 11, 2015 05:16
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JonathonSpectre posted:Ah yes, logic, something the current Republican party is well known for. They do literally whatever they want but them being crazy fuckers doesn't magically make their things true
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Oct 11, 2015 05:22
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"This case is absurd, there's no way I can rule for you." "Uh sir, I believe you'll find that REPUBLICANS BE CRAAAAAAAAAAAAZY" "gently caress, you're right, ok no more voting"
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Oct 11, 2015 05:22
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Kalman posted:You're being a crazy person right now. There's not even the thinnest veneer of legal logic - which even the ACA case had - to justify the idea that opting out of voter registration is unconstitutional.
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Oct 11, 2015 06:28
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FlamingLiberal posted:King v. Burwell shouldn't have gone forward due to lack of standing. King wasn't even affected by the mandate. Standing is infamously negotiable. Exactly what argument do you think they'd make that an opt-out voting approach is unconstitutional?
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Oct 11, 2015 06:40
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Kalman posted:You're being a crazy person right now. There's not even the thinnest veneer of legal logic - which even the ACA case had - to justify the idea that opting out of voter registration is unconstitutional. Sounds like a republican to me.
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Oct 11, 2015 06:53
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Yes but it'd only get like 30 votes total. Including Boehner, though.
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Oct 11, 2015 07:05
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Sanders the Bernhog officially came out in support of a new AWB. http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/bernie-sanders-talks-gun-control-calls-assault-weapon-ban-n442351
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Oct 11, 2015 08:40
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Kalman posted:Standing is infamously negotiable. Exactly what argument do you think they'd make that an opt-out voting approach is unconstitutional? It is the fundamental right of every citizen to protest the political system through abstaining from voting. Any attempt to encourage citizens to vote violates their substantive due process rights and therefore violates the 14th amendment. Volcott posted:Sanders the Bernhog officially came out in support of a new AWB. Dumb.
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Oct 11, 2015 09:18
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A Bag of Milk posted:Dumb.  Assault weapons don't really need to be banned when the vast majority of gun related deaths are due to handguns.
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Oct 11, 2015 09:23
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Rhesus Pieces posted:A conservative Republican Air Force reserve major turning on the Benghazi committee after being fired for not being a political tool and for taking leave to serve his country? I'm always kind-of surprised when the super-conservative military bucks what the government actually wants because of quaint ideas like honor.
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Oct 11, 2015 09:35
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A Bag of Milk posted:
First Bad Bernie position I've seen. The AWB was a bad law and doesn't need to be brough back. There are other better ways to improve gun control, including better funding for the instant background check system.
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Oct 11, 2015 13:49
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Tatum Girlparts posted:"This case is absurd, there's no way I can rule for you." BRB, going to change the Citizens United Wikipedia page to this.
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Oct 11, 2015 14:17
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:First Bad Bernie position I've seen. The AWB was a bad law and doesn't need to be brough back. There are other better ways to improve gun control, including better funding for the instant background check system. Bernie's playing the pandering game - he should aim higher. People don't need inside baseball of Bernie countering Hillary's call to repeal Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA) - which protects arms manufacturers from lawsuits.
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Oct 11, 2015 14:34
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McDowell posted:Bernie's playing the pandering game - he should aim higher. People don't need inside baseball of Bernie countering Hillary's call to repeal Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA) - which protects arms manufacturers from lawsuits. The issue is Bernie voted for that bill, and against Brady, so he can't really take any positions further than Hillary's recent calls without becoming a hypocrite. Dude's absolute dogshit on guns and a weak rear end AWB support isn't going to change that for anyone.
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Oct 11, 2015 14:48
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Tatum Girlparts posted:The issue is Bernie voted for that bill, and against Brady, so he can't really take any positions further than Hillary's recent calls without becoming a hypocrite. Dude's absolute dogshit on guns and a weak rear end AWB support isn't going to change that for anyone. Yeah he shouldn't waste his time. Our problem is global and social - the whole arms trade and our toxic, destructive world outlook must be shattered. Swords into plows. If you are so insecure that you need to open carry that is your right - but you need insurance and a license. Give everyone first aid & firearms training as a recruitment pitch in high school. American citizens can no longer waste their time on provincial politics - we must be global citizens with a strong federal identity.
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Oct 11, 2015 14:56
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Tatum Girlparts posted:The issue is Bernie voted for that bill, and against Brady, so he can't really take any positions further than Hillary's recent calls without becoming a hypocrite. Dude's absolute dogshit on guns and a weak rear end AWB support isn't going to change that for anyone.
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Oct 11, 2015 15:01
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Tatum Girlparts posted:The issue is Bernie voted for that bill, and against Brady, so he can't really take any positions further than Hillary's recent calls without becoming a hypocrite. Dude's absolute dogshit on guns and a weak rear end AWB support isn't going to change that for anyone. The Brady bill was over twenty years ago and predates the recent mass shooting epidemic by a couple years shy of 20. "I was against this bill because in 1993 it wasn't a great idea, but recent events have made it clear that it is a good idea" isn't a particularly hypocritical standpoint.
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Oct 11, 2015 15:02
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meristem posted:Hmm? He could evolve. He's already evolved on BLM, didn't he? He's defended his vote on the immunity act on the campaign trail more than once. "Manufacturers should be held responsible if their poo poo malfunctions, and pulling the trigger on a gun and a bullet coming out isn't malfunctioning regardless of the target" is pretty simple.
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Oct 11, 2015 15:04
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This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!
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LORD OF BUTT posted:The Brady bill was over twenty years ago and predates the recent mass shooting epidemic by a couple years shy of 20. "I was against this bill because in 1993 it wasn't a great idea, but recent events have made it clear that it is a good idea" isn't a particularly hypocritical standpoint. Has he said that though? So far before this all he's said was 'I was right to vote against being able to sue gun makers' and 'we could have the strongest gun laws in the world and shootings would still happen so gently caress it'.
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Oct 11, 2015 15:08
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Has he said that though? So far before this all he's said was 'I was right to vote against being able to sue gun makers' and 'we could have the strongest gun laws in the world and shootings would still happen so gently caress it'. You never said anything about him currently saying that. You said he can't say that without being a hypocrite, and I am replying to that assertion by calling that assertion Dumb As Hell™.
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Oct 11, 2015 15:13
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meristem posted:Hmm? He could evolve. He's already evolved on BLM, didn't he? He could, but as far as I've ever heard from these parts, evolving is absolutely worse than having the correct opinion at the very outset.
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Oct 11, 2015 15:19
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LORD OF BUTT posted:You never said anything about him currently saying that. You said he can't say that without being a hypocrite, and I am replying to that assertion by calling that assertion Dumb As Hell™. Ok fine, if he admits he was wrong about Brady he won't be a hypocrite but so far his campaign has been doing all it can to avoid talking about that specifically so I doubt that'll ever happen.
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Oct 11, 2015 15:20
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I've actually gotten the impression that evolving is considered worse than maintaining a bad opinion by many people, which has always been one of the most bizarre things about American politics to me.
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Oct 11, 2015 15:21
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Gun Control is a poo poo issue and he shouldn't need to pander. He's been correct on the issue for decades, unlike every dumb short-sighted motherfucker that can't see past their clutched pearls to the corporate oligarchs and racist overlords that have turned this country into a meat grinder.
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Oct 11, 2015 15:23
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LORD OF BUTT posted:I've actually gotten the impression that evolving is considered worse than maintaining a bad opinion by many people, which has always been one of the most bizarre things about American politics to me. The Bush/Kerry poo poo started 'flip-flopper' as a mainstream slur. Reminder that one of his biggest attacks was Kerry was for the war, then against it, meaning he was in favor of doing something but quickly saw what a cluster gently caress the actual things we were doing were and said 'ok yea this is a fuckup'. You know, changed his view based on facts.
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Oct 11, 2015 15:23
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LeJackal posted:Gun Control is a poo poo issue and he shouldn't need to pander. He's been correct on the issue for decades, unlike every dumb short-sighted motherfucker that can't see past their clutched pearls to the corporate oligarchs and racist overlords that have turned this country into a meat grinder. Corporate oligarchs, unlike the NRA and its ties to the gun industry favoring laws that primarily help gun makers/sellers.
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Oct 11, 2015 15:24
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Tatum Girlparts posted:The Bush/Kerry poo poo started 'flip-flopper' as a mainstream slur. Reminder that one of his biggest attacks was Kerry was for the war, then against it, meaning he was in favor of doing something but quickly saw what a cluster gently caress the actual things we were doing were and said 'ok yea this is a fuckup'. You know, changed his view based on facts. I'm a year younger than the Brady Bill, so Bush/Kerry was pretty much my first real exposure to American politics. 
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Oct 11, 2015 15:26
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LORD OF BUTT posted:I've actually gotten the impression that evolving is considered worse than maintaining a bad opinion by many people, which has always been one of the most bizarre things about American politics to me. In general, people like consistency because it means they don't have to expend effort thinking about things. This is doubly true in politics, where people just want black and white caricatures. "Hillary was with Walmart, Walmart = bad, therefore Hillary = bad", etc.
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Oct 11, 2015 15:48
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LORD OF BUTT posted:I've actually gotten the impression that evolving is considered worse than maintaining a bad opinion by many people, which has always been one of the most bizarre things about American politics to me. It's an extension of America itself which has always had an anti-intellectual streak
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Oct 11, 2015 15:49
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Corporate oligarchs, unlike the NRA and its ties to the gun industry favoring laws that primarily help gun makers/sellers. Take a look at the lobbying behind the commercial gun industry and just about any other. Wait, I'll do it for you - to Opensecrets!  Here are the top spenders so far in 2015.  If you noticed that several companies spent more on lobbying in one year than the entire 'gun rights' sector did at its highest, congrats. You're beginning to paint a mental picture.
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Oct 11, 2015 15:52
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Americans can't be trusted with guns, knives, spoons, etc.
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Oct 11, 2015 15:54
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Dan Didio posted:Americans can't be trusted with guns, knives, spoons, etc. Or governments.
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Oct 11, 2015 16:04
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LeJackal posted:Take a look at the lobbying behind the commercial gun industry and just about any other. Wait, I'll do it for you - to Opensecrets! You don't need to spend a lot of money when you've already got one party wrapped around your finger. Just the threat of primarying a politician is enough.
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Oct 11, 2015 16:10
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Also like, it's not like there's an opposing lobby against them. It's not like the American Association of Manufacturers is going to be encouraging gun control. If the NRA is lobbying against gun laws, and no one with money is lobbying for, they're probably going to see success. The absolute amount of money they give is not the only important thing. I don't think it's entirely a corporate money thing - it doesn't help that a lot of gun voters are extremely committed single issue voters - but come on.
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Oct 11, 2015 16:16
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McDowell posted:Bernie's playing the pandering game - he should aim higher. People don't need inside baseball of Bernie countering Hillary's call to repeal Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA) - which protects arms manufacturers from lawsuits. I do like how people support lovely and terrible ideas just because it hurts a group that they dislike.
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Bob Ojeda posted:Also like, it's not like there's an opposing lobby against them. It's not like the American Association of Manufacturers is going to be encouraging gun control. If the NRA is lobbying against gun laws, and no one with money is lobbying for, they're probably going to see success. The absolute amount of money they give is not the only important thing.  Bob Ojeda posted:If the NRA is lobbying against gun laws, and no one with money is lobbying for, 
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