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point of return posted:The "moderate" Republicans still have more in common with the Tortilla Coasters than they do with any Democrat hth Not in the sense that they want complete and unabashed gridlock. So I think they have the numbers to actually vote for a Speaker and not shut down the government, at least.
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Fried Chicken posted:Clinton hasn't release a criminal justice position paper yet while Bernie has, but don't let that get in the way of claiming she has firm positions on it and he doesn't I mean, other than regularly speaking about what she would like to do and having the specific issues she'd like to focus on on her website, she doesn't have any firm positions on it.
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Dahbadu posted:I agree that there are areas of gun control that are less divisive. I would argue that it isn't against the realm of possibility to come up with a palatable AWB law or adjust the framing on the issue so it's more palatable to gun owners that aren't single-issue voters. Hieronymous Alloy posted:But yes, basically you're saying what I was trying to get at. The AWB is a bad law full of gibberish terminology and a lot of gun owners justifiably view advocacy for it as a sign that said advocate is demagoguing the issue and not presenting a serious policy position. Bernie is better than that; everywhere else he has real positions, not bullshit. There's no reality where I'm not voting for Sanders (landsman), but if Sanders signed into law a federal AWB that was as bad as 94's, but preempted the SAFE Act in NYS, I would be thrilled. I imagine gun owners in California would feel the same way.
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How many students need to die before you reconsider your undying devotion to death machines? What projections are we looking at here? Tri-weekly?
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Venom Snake posted:How many students need to die before you reconsider your undying devotion to death machines? What projections are we looking at here? Tri-weekly? welp I'll see y'all in November then.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Not in the sense that they want complete and unabashed gridlock. So I think they have the numbers to actually vote for a Speaker and not shut down the government, at least. Their conflict is tactical, not strategic. They're political goals are entirely aligned with the FC folks. It's important to remember that.
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Venom Snake posted:How many students need to die before you reconsider your undying devotion to death machines? 250,000 dead kids http://www.theonion.com/article/nra-sets-1000-killed-in-school-shooting-as-amount--28352
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Venom Snake posted:How many students need to die before you reconsider your undying devotion to death machines? What projections are we looking at here? Tri-weekly? there's no amount of blood that's equal to the sacred value of owning a device allowing for the launching of lead projectiles. Every person on Earth other than LeJackal could die of gun violence, and LeJackal would sit alone amid the carnage, hugging his gun, and muttering to himself "oh buddy, this wasn't your fault". A bird would land next to them, and he would say to the bird "this really happened because there weren't enough guns, you know". The bird would not respond, being a bird, and not a member of the near-extinct human race.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:
I believe the estimates were recently revised upwards to "at least 7 billion, maybe 8, and you have to kill them all in the same 6 hour period".
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Venom Snake posted:How many students need to die before you reconsider your undying devotion to death machines? What projections are we looking at here? Tri-weekly? Well since he fears for his personal life, I'd assume all of them.
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Fried Chicken posted:It varies by state for primary rules and county party rules for powers allotted to the chairman, so I'd have to look through all of them to see if they could just straight up do it. Fried Chicken posted:He was also responsible for whipping for signing nomination papers, passing the preferred candidate cards, and got a vote at the party convention. Coordinating those is how you boot someone out Aren't a lot of local parties run by Tea Partiers though? I mean the people who show up at conventions, who are willing to spend 2 hours/month in boring committee meetings, who help canvass or sign ballot access petitions, etc. are precisely the passionate super-conservative types. I'm not sure that a Purge like that wouldn't backfire massively on the Republicans and get that to happen to a bunch of non-Tortilla-Coasters.
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Oct 12, 2015 00:42
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Steve Jobs may have survived had he listened to his doctors and not went after holistic cancer cures. Thanks Obama.
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Hollismason posted:Steve Jobs may have survived had he listened to his doctors and not went after holistic cancer cures. Thanks Obama. And also the rat's nest of supplements.
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It is morally good and fitting that Steve Jobs was felled by his own hubris.
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Nintendo Kid posted:It is morally good and fitting that Steve Jobs was felled by his own hubris. Same.
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Nintendo Kid posted:It is morally good and fitting that Steve Jobs was felled by his own hubris. 
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DemeaninDemon posted:This is a mix of schadenfreude and sad. solid thread title.
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http://www.chron.com/news/local/article/Man-on-far-North-Side-mistakes-wife-for-intruder-6563251.phpquote:A man shot his wife to death in their home early Saturday on the far North Side because he thought she was an intruder, according to the San Antonio Police Department. Debora Kelly, 48, was pronounced dead after she was shot after 4 a.m. in the 3500 block of Bent Hollow. North of Loop 1604 near Evans and Bulverde roads. Kelly's husband, whose name has not been released publicly, told police he heard noises coming from the front of the house and saw a flash of light. He thought someone was trying to break into the house, so he got a shotgun and fired one round at the supposed intruder. Police said the man then realized he had shot his wife. Kelly had a gunshot wound to the upper body, according to police. Officers tried to resuscitate her, but emergency medical technicians pronounced her dead on the scene. The man was being interviewed by detectives Saturday morning. He had not been charged as of 9 a.m., but charges could be filed as the investigation proceeds, police said. As of Saturday afternoon, SAPD spokesman officer Douglas Greene said police haven't ruled anything out yet as detectives are still examining the scene. "Our investigators are very particular on preserving the scene to bring together pieces of the puzzle and see if it lines up with the statements of shooter," Greene said. Another good guy with a gun saves the day! 
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Does anyone have a good link to the number of mass shootings in the US for the last few decades? There seems to be several that throw out around 70 but then a Guardian article I saw claimed over a 1,000. I know it depends on the definition of mass shooting, and I'm looking for the one that's closer to 1,000 so I can see if their definition is too vague.
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Kalman posted:I mean, other than regularly speaking about what she would like to do and having the specific issues she'd like to focus on on her website, she doesn't have any firm positions on it. The speeches that keep changing and just Thursday had her telling activists that this was something that needed to be done on the local level, not federal and not the preview of the president? Those speeches?
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Johnny Cache Hit posted:solid thread title. About time for another change anyways, I think we've had the current one the longest this month so far
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Fried Chicken posted:About time for another change anyways, I think we've had the current one the longest this month so far But should we change now or wait until the Democratic debate on Tuesday?
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Fried Chicken posted:The speeches that keep changing and just Thursday had her telling activists that this was something that needed to be done on the local level, not federal and not the preview of the president? Those speeches? That's not the impression I got from that interview, but I suppose that is one interpretation.
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McAlister posted:Links? In that video, he says police departments should have SWAT-caliber weaponry to combat drug dealers, presumably he means people who can fight back with automatic weapons and the like. He also says the equipment should not be used against protestors as it was in Ferguson. He supports cutting the budgets for that kind of equipment and putting the money into a jobs program instead. It's part of his platform, under Addressing Physical Violence: https://berniesanders.com/issues/racial-justice/ Something Else fucked around with this message at 02:00 on Oct 12, 2015 |
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Sir Tonk posted:http://www.chron.com/news/local/article/Man-on-far-North-Side-mistakes-wife-for-intruder-6563251.php Gun control is a feminist issue. About 1/3 of female murder victims aged 12 or older are killed by an intimate partner. We see spree shooters specifically target women, and express misogynist views and male entitlement http://opdv.ny.gov/statistics/nationaldvdata/intparthom.html http://www.bustle.com/articles/115068-why-gun-control-is-a-feminist-issue-because-mass-shootings-disproportionately-target-women
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Sir Tonk posted:http://www.chron.com/news/local/article/Man-on-far-North-Side-mistakes-wife-for-intruder-6563251.php All gun owners are in a perpetual state of being a good guy with a gun until they commit a crime at which point the waveform collapses and it turns out they were a bad guy with a gun all along.
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Fried Chicken posted:The speeches that keep changing and just Thursday had her telling activists that this was something that needed to be done on the local level, not federal and not the preview of the president? Those speeches? You mean when she pointed out that the federal government constitutionally doesn't have the police power and can't directly affect it? I am okay with having a president that recognizes that there are limits on what can be done directly and what ultimately does have to be done on the local level when those limits are basic elements of our constitution. (And hey, Campaign Zero agrees with her that successful reform will involve federal, state, and local efforts, but you go ahead and keep believing that that's somehow a negative.)
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1stGear posted:All gun owners are in a perpetual state of being a good guy with a gun until they commit a crime at which point the waveform collapses and it turns out they were a bad guy with a gun all along. This is the theory known as Schrodinger's Gun.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:But should we change now or wait until the Democratic debate on Tuesday? This thrad is going to be more unreadable than gunchat after Tuesday isn't?
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KomradeX posted:This thrad is going to be more unreadable than gunchat after Tuesday isn't? Nah, turns out Tuesday's debate timing was chosen to make sure nobody could watch it. Thanks DWS!
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So is Biden gonna jump into the race or what? Also, why isn't everyone and their mother pushing Biden to enter the race?
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Geoff Peterson posted:Nah, turns out Tuesday's debate timing was chosen to make sure nobody could watch it. Thanks DWS! Haha what the gently caress? It's the same sort of timing as the Republican debates have been! Sucrose posted:So is Biden gonna jump into the race or what? Also, why isn't everyone and their mother pushing Biden to enter the race? Almost certainly not. Because he can't win and also Christ dude the man is grieving.
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Sucrose posted:So is Biden gonna jump into the race or what? Also, why isn't everyone and their mother pushing Biden to enter the race? 1. Horserace 2. He's an establishment pick that's not Hillary. 3. A lot of the media hates Hillary.
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Clinton's raw and sustained contempt of the press is one of her best qualities, to be frank.
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Rygar201 posted:Clinton's raw and sustained contempt of the press is one of her best qualities, to be frank. It's funny because it's one of the most human and non-soulless-politician properties that a person could have, but it's also led to her being popularly seen as an inhuman soulless politician.
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I've said this in the past, but I really would appreciate it if you guys would stop being mean to guns.
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Nintendo Kid posted:Almost certainly not. Because he can't win and also Christ dude the man is grieving. I'm almost suprised he hasn't flipped out at someone asking him for the billion time, being told to get over your grief and run an unnecessary campaign would piss me off to no end.
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Nintendo Kid posted:Haha what the gently caress? It's the same sort of timing as the Republican debates have been! Biden can't win? Why not? If Hillary can win, Biden can most certainly win, he's better liked. And the Republican side is all jokers. Come on Democratic Party, you can't do this to me. I'd like Sanders to win, but I know he can't.
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Volcott posted:I've said this in the past, but I really would appreciate it if you guys would stop being mean to guns. I just slammed a gun into a locker. Sucrose posted:Biden can't win? Why not? If Hillary can win, Biden can most certainly win, he's better liked. And the Republican side is all jokers. In 2008 Biden couldn't win a single state against Clinton or Obama during his primary campaign - he gave up when he placed 5th in Iowa, behind fuckin' Edwards and Bill Richardson. Why's he going to do any better in this primary campaign? Especially waiting until like 3 weeks before the first democratic primary deadlines to start running? Why force him to go through the pain of another campaign where he won't win?
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