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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Why does your desire to own more toys trump parents who don't want their children slaughtered at school? Is this a serious argument? This sounds like an ironic post in a rowdy trout gunthread.
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On Terra Firma posted:I don't think I'm saying that if people back off trying to ban certain accessories that will somehow bring the NRA around to giving ground. It won't. At all. I'm saying it's a dumb waste of time and energy because you're not going to get anything out of it. These are kind of my feelings on it. Seems like a waste of political capital to target inconsequential things like that while Psycho Sam can still easily obtain a weapon suitable to commit a mass shooting with anyway. And I know someone's gonna say "Huh well I guess we can only work on one thing at a time ever then, huh!!?!?" but I feel like enacting feel-good fake gun control legislation is a big waste of time and makes gun control advocates look kinda dumb when they like pat themselves on the back for it like they've actually accomplished something meaningful. Then everyone dusts off their hands and forgets about doing anything for a few years.
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So glad we're back to gun chat. Could anyone do me a solid and PM me when it's over? I like reading about US politics in the USPol thread.
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If the NRA thinks that increased spending on mental health is the way to go, why don't they grade any of the votes to overturn the ACA?
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various cheeses posted:Relaxed rules on silencers/short barreled rifles/etc. Maybe stopping stupid import rules like not being able to import a barrel. Maybe admitting that pursuing a features ban is dumb as gently caress and doesn't affect crime whatsoever.
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various cheeses posted:Is this a serious argument? This sounds like an ironic post in a rowdy trout gunthread. Raskolnikov38 posted:lmao you are completely insane
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various cheeses posted:Relaxed rules on silencers/short barreled rifles/etc. Maybe stopping stupid import rules like not being able to import a barrel. Maybe admitting that pursuing a features ban is dumb as gently caress and doesn't affect crime whatsoever. And what do you think groups like the NRA would offer for this since your whole point is we need to horse trade and play the game like you're downs syndrome Frank Underwood.
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Nintendo Kid posted:Why are gun owners too stupid to wear hearing protection? Doesn't necessarily have to do with my hearing protection. I am legally allowed to shoot in my backyard. I don't, out of courtesy to my neighbors, because it's loud as hell for them. State law specifically exempts target shooting from noise ordinances, so again, I can if I want to, but I don't want to without a suppressor because I don't want to be an rear end in a top hat. And suppressors are classified as firearms by the USC, that's why you have to pay the NFA tax and wait 4-12 months for the ATF to background check you. Would you be okay with having to pay a $200 tax and wait up to a year for a background check to allow people to vote? As for straw purchases, we can start by prosecuting the 10s of thousands of slam dunk federal felonies a year that occur from people lying on their form 4473 and then get denied in their NICS checks, and on top of that, reform NICS to make sure that reporting agencies are actually entering things correctly I tot he system. There are at least 4 mass shootings in the last 10 years, Virginia Tech and Aurora included, that wouldn't have happened had agencies actually reported to NICS properly. CommanderApaul fucked around with this message at 17:40 on Oct 12, 2015 |
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SumYungGui posted:So glad we're back to gun chat. Could anyone do me a solid and PM me when it's over? I like reading about US politics in the USPol thread. Seriously, for christ's sake gunchat is the worst.
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Why do you need all of these things? Why are you so afraid of them? Nintendo Kid posted:What's your irrational phobia that you use to justify hiding a gun on you in public and at your boring office job? What's your irrational phobia of the gun bogeyman? Or is it just more Tezzorposting about "grr I hate these people who DARED to own guns and are also different than me"?
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various cheeses posted:Is this a serious argument? This sounds like an ironic post in a rowdy trout gunthread. Why do you need a silencer/short barreled rifle et all?
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icantfindaname posted:hrm yeah sounds good to me No wait, you were so close to educating us about silencers!
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The reasonable carrot that should be offered to gun owners is to appoint a supreme court justice who will reverse Heller, so that it no longer becomes necessary to nationalize every type of gun law and end the attempt of gun nuts to export their madness everywhere, and then we can have Alabama have restrictions that are reasonable for Alabama and Alabamians (provided that it stays there, for example, dealing with gun stores that just happen to consistently sell guns that wind up being shipped around illegally) without having those restrictions identical to those in New York City, for example.
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various cheeses posted:Relaxed rules on silencers/short barreled rifles/etc. Maybe stopping stupid import rules like not being able to import a barrel. Maybe admitting that pursuing a features ban is dumb as gently caress and doesn't affect crime whatsoever. hrm, how about .... no, gently caress you?
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CommanderApaul posted:Doesn't necessarily have to do with my hearing protection. I am legally allowed to shoot in my backyard. I don't, out of courtesy to my neighbors, because it's loud as hell for them. State law specifically exempts target shooting from noise ordinances, so again, I can if I want to, but I don't want to without a suppressor because I don't want to be an rear end in a top hat. "I legally can shoot literally anywhere I want but I choose not to to not be a huge piece of poo poo so basically I'm being disenfranchised"
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this_is_hard posted:Open carry is quite possibly the most pathetic thing ever. The only times I ever see people open carry anyway are at some lovely mall or big box store. It's all fat old men where I live. There's a coffee shop I used to go to and every day a drat grey haired doctor or nurse in scrubs would come in open carrying.
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CommanderApaul posted:. Would you be okay with having to pay a $200 tax and wait up to a year for a background check to allow people to vote? Ayyy lmao
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I don't actually support banning silencers, I think it's a pointless ban of a useless accessory. But thats kind of the thing here. Supposedly reasonable gun owners are fixating on this and somehow not actually supporting reform. Why is it that when gun control shows up in D&D the TFR crowd shows up to mock dumb poo poo and not post about the actual reforms they think would fix the problems?
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CommanderApaul posted:Doesn't necessarily have to do with my hearing protection. I am legally allowed to shoot in my backyard. I don't, out of courtesy to my neighbors, because it's loud as hell for them. State law specifically exempts target shooting from noise ordinances, so again, I can if I want to, but I don't want to without a suppressor because I don't want to be an rear end in a top hat.  Considering you have neighbors, maybe you should hold off on firing guns in your backyard for other reasons than 'it's loud.' also of course target shooting is exempt from noise ordinances. gun owners are children.
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CommanderApaul posted:Doesn't necessarily have to do with my hearing protection. I am legally allowed to shoot in my backyard. I don't, out of courtesy to my neighbors, because it's loud as hell for them. State law specifically exempts target shooting from noise ordinances, so again, I can if I want to, but I don't want to without a suppressor because I don't want to be an rear end in a top hat. i, too, compare my dumb toy to the right to vote, because i am a manchild who thinks my Nintendo is a vital civic right
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Why do you need a silencer/short barreled rifle et all? I can't ejaculate without them.
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YodaTFK posted:I don't actually support banning silencers, I think it's a pointless ban of a useless accessory. But thats kind of the thing here. Supposedly reasonable gun owners are fixating on this and somehow not actually supporting reform. Why is it that when gun control shows up in D&D the TFR crowd shows up to mock dumb poo poo and not post about the actual reforms they think would fix the problems? Because they don't want any reforms, they want removal of the laws already on book and nothing else.
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evilweasel posted:The reasonable carrot that should be offered to gun owners is to appoint a supreme court justice who will reverse Heller, so that it no longer becomes necessary to nationalize every type of gun law and end the attempt of gun nuts to export their madness everywhere, and then we can have Alabama have restrictions that are reasonable for Alabama and Alabamians (provided that it stays there, for example, dealing with gun stores that just happen to consistently sell guns that wind up being shipped around illegally) without having those restrictions identical to those in New York City, for example. hmm i have a faster way but i'm going to need the gun version of james buchanan, john brown, jeff davis, and abraham lincoln
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I wonder what other topics we should "horse trade" over even if 90% of Americans want a policy.
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I know mental health is important, but I'm still unsure how expanding mental health services is going to "reduce gun violence". Hell I don't even know what extending mental health in american even means. More psychiatrists? Have doctors throw pills at you? Therapy? What is it exactly.
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Trabisnikof posted:I wonder what other topics we should "horse trade" over even if 90% of Americans want a policy. The NRA and other groups have proven time and time again that they legitimately do not care how many people support it. The bullshit 'maybe YOU should give up some things too' is just the pussy version of saying 'I don't want any new laws but I want old laws removed instead'.
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Look, in exchange for making it slightly more difficult for those with mental illnesses or criminal records to commit mass murder on a literal weekly basis, I want my model train collection to be asdgjlasdk;gjda
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evilweasel posted:i, too, compare my dumb toy to the right to vote, because i am a manchild who thinks my Nintendo is a vital civic right There's a constitutional amendment that protects gun ownership, there isn't one that protects voting rights, so yes, it's an applies and oranges comparison. Voting rights aren't a civil right per the constitution, gun ownership is.
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Mr. Wookums posted:So any barrier to obtaining a gun, even if it will have no effect on the type toys you're able to purchase requires a blanket "you may buy everything" concession? A good start would be actually enforcing the laws and improving the background checks. Dumbshits like Dylan Roof and Aurora theatre guy should have never been allowed to buy guns. Better reporting of mental health poo poo and forcing states to report things to the NICS system would be great too.
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Can you believe the federal government is eroding our rights to firearms with the recent passing of such laws as ______________ and _______________? In order for them to pass more we need more rights!
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DeusExMachinima posted:No wait, you were so close to educating us about silencers! http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2010/11/gun-silencers-dont-make-them-anywhere-near-silent/ quote:That’s actually pretty significant considering the decibel system is a logarithmic scale; so, for example, 200 dB is 1000 times louder than 100 dB, not double, and a reduction of 40 dB is more like 1/100th of the original sound. However, for most commercially available fire arms and cartridges, this ends up only reducing the noise level to somewhere in the range of 130-150-ish dB for a supersonic cartridge and 117-130-ish dB for a subsonic cartridge. For reference on just how loud that is, an ambulance or police siren is typically between 100-140 dB. So this isn’t exactly the “whoosh” sound Hollywood depicts. Given that hearing loss can occur as low as 85 dB, it’s typically recommended that even with a silencer on a fire arm, that the shooter still wears some sort of hearing protection. immediate hearing loss threshold is usually given as around 120dB, so uh, ahahahaha stop posting you literal brain damaged retard like someone else posted, i guess too many loud noises takes a toll on a person icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Oct 12, 2015 |
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Veskit posted:I know mental health is important, but I'm still unsure how expanding mental health services is going to "reduce gun violence". Hell I don't even know what extending mental health in american even means. More psychiatrists? Have doctors throw pills at you? Therapy? What is it exactly. No see, as a person with Depression I'm a ticking time bomb that must be monitored and heavily medicated for the safety of others. A GUN registry?! WHAT THE gently caress MAN ARE YOU HITLER OR SOMETHING?!
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CommanderApaul posted:There's a constitutional amendment that protects gun ownership, there isn't one that protects voting rights, so yes, it's an applies and oranges comparison. Voting rights aren't a civil right per the constitution, gun ownership is. are you sure about that?
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various cheeses posted:A good start would be actually enforcing the laws and improving the background checks. Dumbshits like Dylan Roof and Aurora theatre guy should have never been allowed to buy guns. Better reporting of mental health poo poo and forcing states to report things to the NICS system would be great too. Hey you never answered, in exchange for removing some laws what do you feel the NRA and similar groups would allow for gun control laws in return?
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CommanderApaul posted:There's a constitutional amendment that protects gun ownership, there isn't one that protects voting rights, so yes, it's an applies and oranges comparison. Voting rights aren't a civil right per the constitution, gun ownership is. A. there are B. the 2nd amendment is no longer valid for the situation it was drafted in and should be repealed C. lmao gently caress you
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CommanderApaul posted:Doesn't necessarily have to do with my hearing protection. I am legally allowed to shoot in my backyard. I don't, out of courtesy to my neighbors, because it's loud as hell for them. State law specifically exempts target shooting from noise ordinances, so again, I can if I want to, but I don't want to without a suppressor because I don't want to be an rear end in a top hat. If you were smarter, you'd make the connection that you didn't need a gun at all. I must have missed all those times where somebody voted into a school and killed dozens of people CommanderApaul posted:There's a constitutional amendment that protects gun ownership, there isn't one that protects voting rights, so yes, it's an applies and oranges comparison. Voting rights aren't a civil right per the constitution, gun ownership is. Ownership of weapons of any sort is in the constitution, not "I should be able to have any guns I want with any accessories I want".
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CommanderApaul posted:There's a constitutional amendment that protects gun ownership, there isn't one that protects voting rights, so yes, it's an applies and oranges comparison. Voting rights aren't a civil right per the constitution, gun ownership is. I have a Jim Crow era text book that reads just like this post.
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Why do you need a silencer/short barreled rifle et all? Why were they so heavily restricted in the first place? Why the arbitrary barrel length?
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Hey you never answered, in exchange for removing some laws what do you feel the NRA and similar groups would allow for gun control laws in return? The AWB expired what did we get for that?
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