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sharknado slashfic posted:Are you saying that people should vote against their own interests because that would make you...a republican. 
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sharknado slashfic posted:Are you saying that people should vote against their own interests because that would make you...a republican. identity politics aren't real interests, comrade to the guillotine with you
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Oct 12, 2015 20:27
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icantfindaname posted:identity politics aren't real interests, comrade I am undone!
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Oct 12, 2015 20:28
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MaxxBot posted:Myself and the gun owners I know don't view these people as any more reasonable than you do. These people do not represent the typical gun owner unless most gun owners are lying in polls about their gun control opinions. This rapidly disintegrates into a No True Scotsman though because what happens is someone votes for the bill and then get primaried by the extreme right wing while "reasonable gun owners" look on and wring their hands. Sub Par fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Oct 12, 2015 |
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Oct 12, 2015 20:29
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Jade Helm 15's only direct victim was Joementum. The collateral damage was this thread though.
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Oct 12, 2015 20:32
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I'd just like to interject to remind everybody that the mentally ill in America are ENORMOUSLY more likely to be the victim of violence than the cause of it, and the scapegoating of them doesn't make sense when it comes to guns. "Oh well they're just crazy" is a terrible thing to say. If you are gunned down, odds are it was somebody in their right mind who had motivations that aren't so easy to pigeonhole I don't want any legislation meant to help the mentally ill to include a single word about guns because I'd like to see it pass before 2030 We aren't up against guns here as much as we're up against the fact that property supersedes human life in our culture. Okay back to skipping page after page until I see political news
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Taeke posted:You're all loving insane. Or maybe it's just your political system, or culture or whatever. This is all so obviously hosed up and the fact that it's somehow impossible to even debate this poo poo like adults, let alone fix this loving obvious problem is indicative of something being fundamentally wrong with how you do... politics? Law? Society? Life in general? Things weren't perfect before 2001/09/11, but America collectively lost its mind in the aftermath. We're jumping at our own shadows and still obsessing over terrorism even though we're losing orders of magnitude more people to lack of health care. Anybody willing to bet that we'll eventually end up with an anti-Islam version of HUAC before this madness ends? I want either money or to be pleasantly surprised. Peanut3141 fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Oct 12, 2015 |
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Peanut3141 posted:Things weren't perfect before 2001/11/09, but America collectively lost its mind in the aftermath. We're jumping at our own shadows and still obsessing over terrorism even though we're losing orders of magnitude more people to lack of health care. I think you mean 09/11/2001 
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Oct 12, 2015 20:41
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this_is_hard posted:I think you mean 09/11/2001 I did gently caress it up, but only by putting 2001/11/09 instead of 2001/09/11. I believe most people who've dealt with a directory full of log files will back me on this.
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Oct 12, 2015 20:42
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Peanut3141 posted:Things weren't perfect before 2001/11/09, but America collectively lost its mind in the aftermath. We're jumping at our own shadows and still obsessing over terrorism even though we're losing orders of magnitude more people to lack of health care. Given that it's over a decade out and there are no signs of such a thing whatsoever, I think that's actually an incredibly stupid bet on your part. I'd love to take it for nearly any amount of money, but the lack of any sort of definite end date on your side makes it a non-starter since no one would be able to collect. Peanut3141 posted:I did gently caress it up, but only by putting 2001/11/09 instead of 2001/09/11. I believe most people who've dealt with a directory full of log files will back me on this.
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Oct 12, 2015 20:43
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LGD posted:Given that it's over a decade out and there are no signs of such a thing whatsoever, I think that's actually an incredibly stupid bet on your part. I'd love to take it for nearly any amount of money, but the lack of any sort of definite end date on your side makes it a non-starter since no one would be able to collect. You wouldn't consider this a sign? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_T._King#Radicalization_hearings
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LGD posted:Given that it's over a decade out and there are no signs of such a thing whatsoever, I think that's actually an incredibly stupid bet on your part. I'd love to take it for nearly any amount of money, but the lack of any sort of definite end date on your side makes it a non-starter since no one would be able to collect. 
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this_is_hard posted:I think you mean 09/11/2001 9/11/2012 changed everything.
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So Chris Christie just declared that he would start a shooting war with Russia over Syria (http://www.nytimes.com/politics/fir...a/?ref=politics)quote:Languishing at the bottom in polls of the Republican presidential field, Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey ramped up his tough talk on foreign policy on Monday, calling President Obama a “weakling” and saying that the United States should threaten to shoot down Russian planes conducting airstrikes in Syria.
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Oct 12, 2015 20:56
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Trabisnikof posted:So Chris Christie just declared that he would start a shooting war with Russia over Syria (http://www.nytimes.com/politics/fir...a/?ref=politics) hes certainly pandering to the "Pro-Nuclear Holocaust" demo
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President Chris Christie personally scrounges the smoldering wreck of every Russian airplane, quickly devouring whatever Chicken Kiev he can find
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Oct 12, 2015 21:01
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Republicans love to describe the president as strong/weak/brave/cowardly in regards to ordering other people to go into war, as if the president's own quality of life would be in any way impacted by the decision.
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Peanut3141 posted:You wouldn't consider this a sign? You mean the thing from 5 years ago that got no traction whatsoever? No, I wouldn't really consider that a sign of the incipient emergence of a new anti-Muslim HUAC. Part of being a "new HUAC" means that such a thing would need to be taken seriously, and I just can't see such a thing getting past the "red meat to the most racist parts of our base" stage. I mean I can absolutely be unpleasantly surprised by just how shitheaded Republicans are, but barring a badly-timed ISIS-related terrorist attack ushering in President Trump as part of a Republican landslide I just don't see it escalating to anywhere near the level you're talking about. LGD fucked around with this message at 21:10 on Oct 12, 2015 |
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Oct 12, 2015 21:07
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Tender Bender posted:Republicans love to describe the president as strong/weak/brave/cowardly in regards to ordering other people to go into war, as if the president's own quality of life would be in any way impacted by the decision. This just proves that Teddy was the best president.  
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Oct 12, 2015 21:08
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Why do so many of these dorks have a massive boner over going to war with Russia? That definitely seems like a bad idea.
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Oct 12, 2015 21:09
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Raskolnikov38 posted:I'm sure someone will post about it when something new comes up but I think we're still in a holding pattern while Boehner and crew figure out what the gently caress to do. Every press conference I see Boehner at he has a giant poo poo eating grin on his face. The current clusterfuck is his "gently caress You" to the Tea Party.
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various cheeses posted:Why do so many of these dorks have a massive boner over going to war with Russia? They're delusional and/or stupid and/or pandering to a base that is both of those things?
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various cheeses posted:Why do so many of these dorks have a massive boner over going to war with Russia? Because Reagan wanted to bomb Russia (before he saw The Day After and then signed a bunch of missile treaties). No I'm not joking, he was so affected by that movie he did a complete 180 on being ok with using nukes on Russia and started working with them to bad nukes.
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various cheeses posted:Why do so many of these dorks have a massive boner over going to war with Russia? They grew up fearing the Red Menace.
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Oct 12, 2015 21:19
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various cheeses posted:Why do so many of these dorks have a massive boner over going to war with Russia? They're pandering to a base that wants a belligerent rear end in a top hat willing to do whatever it takes to make them feel like winners again.
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LGD posted:You mean the thing from 5 years ago that got no traction whatsoever? No, I wouldn't really consider that a sign of the incipient emergence of a new anti-Muslim HUAC. Part of being a "new HUAC" means that such a thing would need to be taken seriously, and I just can't see such a thing getting past the "red meat to the most racist parts of our base" stage. I mean I can absolutely be unpleasantly surprised by just how shitheaded Republicans are, but barring a badly-timed ISIS-related terrorist attack ushering in President Trump as part of a Republican landslide I just don't see it escalating to anywhere near the level you're talking about. I don't think it'll take a terrorist attack to get a Republican in the presidential office. It might be <50% likely, but it's not a remote possibility. I could see such a thing happening under a Trump, Carson or Fiorina presidency, the top three polling candidates at the moment. It seems like a crapshoot whether we'll come to our senses regarding Islam before the stars align and we end up with extreme right-wing dominance in House/Senate/Presidency. Do you not think they'd pander to that base with a pointless subcommittee? We're a year and a half into the Benghazi committee.
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Oct 12, 2015 21:22
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various cheeses posted:Why do so many of these dorks have a massive boner over going to war with Russia? Forty or so years of being told "Russia = Bad" and about ten of realizing that blowing up random groups of Arabs isn't nearly as good a motivator for polarizing the public so you can get away with things 'for their own good' and spending trillions on completely pointless military expenditures. Seriously.
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Tempest_56 posted:Forty or so years of being told "Russia = Bad" and about ten of realizing that blowing up random groups of Arabs isn't nearly as good a motivator for polarizing the public so you can get away with things 'for their own good' and spending trillions on completely pointless military expenditures. Christie is only 53 so he only got, say, 25 years tops of Russia = Devil. But he would have been about 21 when Red Dawn came out, which I suspect is the true cause here. We're about 10 years from a gen xer Republican using "avoid the noid" unironically as a campaign slogan.
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Oct 12, 2015 21:31
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The "languishing at the bottom in polls" intro contains most of what is going on there, I think.
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pangstrom posted:The "languishing at the bottom in polls" intro contains most of what is going on there, I think. Yeah, if you want to know why christie said that I'll give you a clue: we are now talking about chris christie
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Oct 12, 2015 21:45
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YodaTFK posted:I don't actually support banning silencers, I think it's a pointless ban of a useless accessory. But thats kind of the thing here. Supposedly reasonable gun owners are fixating on this and somehow not actually supporting reform. Why is it that when gun control shows up in D&D the TFR crowd shows up to mock dumb poo poo and not post about the actual reforms they think would fix the problems? Fix social economic inequality, universal access to healthcare should be a great start.
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I don't think they want a war with Russia. They just want to threaten Russia that they're seriously, not bluffing, going to shoot down their planes if they don't knock it off, and Russia will be so afraid they will immediately comply. In practice, yes, their actions do mean war.
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Guys,  breaking news that might disqualify Hillary!quote:Hillary Clinton says there’s a pretty simple explanation for why she never appears to sweat: She’s a robot who's “not even a human being.”
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http://www.local8now.com/home/headlines/Ga-Confederate-flag-supporters-face-terrorism-charges-332118522.htmlquote:Individuals associated with a group of Confederate flag supporters in Douglas County, Ga., have been indicted on terrorism charges, it was announced on Monday. Needless to say, Facebook is blowing up here in Georgia, somehow making this about Muslims.
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SedanChair posted:Pretty sure I did that, voting for both Bush and Obama after all. water shoots out of my nose
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egon_beeblebrox posted:http://www.local8now.com/home/headlines/Ga-Confederate-flag-supporters-face-terrorism-charges-332118522.html Heritage, not hate. 
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It's because we're supposed to be the only ones that can unilaterally go into another country and blow poo poo up. (Or someone we've given the OK) The only thing that has worked to get more gun control in this country is having minorities with large guns show up at courthouses and polling/voting places. If polling places had an armed cadre of "concerned (minority) citizens" protecting them I bet you'd see some action. A bunch of armed brown and/or black people on TV during the 2016 election? You know there'd be way more talk about "Well, clearly we should think about who can access these dangerous weapons." Or they'd all get shot as some paranoid fucker saw a non-white person with a gun and starting shooting.
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various cheeses posted:If the parties flip flopped on gun control I'd never vote for a republican again. Unfuck your party and maybe I'll consider giving them my votes again. As much as I detest gun control I care about progressive issues more.
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various cheeses posted:Why do so many of these dorks have a massive boner over going to war with Russia? Why do you keep voting for them
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