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There's no prohibition on conflicts of interest for MPs, is there? They just have to disclose it?
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Redcordial posted:Tonight's Q&A is quite decent to be honest, the couple 1950's assimilation questions were some nice laughs, top notch. Bandt didn't point out the time when it came to the lower house to view on indefinite detention all but Wilkie and himself voted for it. Made me seethe that the comment that the Greens were complicit somehow in indefinite offshore detention of children was allowed to stand.
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 03:26 |
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quote:It is hoped a population of rare marsupials released to an island haven off the West Australian south-coast holds the key to the species' survival. Ban cats.
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 07:05 |
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Ban pets altogether. They're terrible for the environment in more ways than just killing wildlife.
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 07:15 |
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open24hours posted:Ban pets altogether. They're terrible for the environment in more ways than just killing wildlife. Really? Like what?
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 07:19 |
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http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2009/nov/13/ethical-living-carbon-emissions
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 07:21 |
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open24hours posted:http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2009/nov/13/ethical-living-carbon-emissions Nothing in this article could possibly be seen as a good enough reason to ban all pets. Have you read it?
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 07:29 |
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open24hours posted:Ban pets altogether. They're terrible for the environment in more ways than just killing wildlife. We shouldn't ban pets but we should probably ban the sale of pets for profit.
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 07:40 |
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Huh, turns out pet ownership is ridiculously ostenatious. Especially cat ownership, given they're not even able to be trained to work like a Kelpie or a Guide dog. I guess that means owning a cat puts a person in league with the blue bloods. Shame, really.
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 07:46 |
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Zenithe posted:Nothing in this article could possibly be seen as a good enough reason to ban all pets. Have you read it? Well, it's a question of values. Maybe it's not enough to make you consider banning all pets. Maybe license them like guns. If you want one show that you have a better reason than 'it makes me feel good'.
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 07:56 |
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open24hours posted:Well, it's a question of values. Maybe it's not enough to make you consider banning all pets. What based on that article makes you think all pet ownership should be banned?
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 08:00 |
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Zenithe posted:What based on that article makes you think all pet ownership should be banned? There are individual people in the world who use far less resources than individual pets with owners in the developed world. The argument is that by choosing to distribute those finite resources to pets, we are depriving them from poorer countries. Basically pet ownership is bourgeois as hell unless those pets are providing a useful function to society, such as working dogs, and even then if they're being fed food from resource-intensive industries there's a strong argument that they shouldn't be. So, again: - cats are useless, therefore they should be banned - feed your pets food that is not resource intensive such as fish or chicken.
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 08:05 |
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Yeah basically what Les Affairs said. I have a cat but I find it difficult to justify on a utilitarian level.
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 08:10 |
Tink is gonna be here soon to gently caress y'all up.
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 08:10 |
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....Did you guys read it? Or just the title?quote:Far from being unsustainable, pet-food manufacturing uses material from animals which are inspected by vets as fit for human consumption but which are surplus to the requirements of the human food industry So make sure your pet is eating food that would otherwise not have been eaten. As for cats being useless: quote:That we greatly benefit from the presence of pets isn't really disputed. There are good arguments for making sure that pet food is ecologically sustainable and ethical in the article, as well as making sure that your pet isn't killing native wildlife, but I'm surprised you would skip to pet genocide so quickly based on such poor evidence Zenithe fucked around with this message at 08:14 on Oct 13, 2015 |
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open24hours posted:Yeah basically what Les Affairs said. So keep it indoors and don't feed it unethical food?
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 08:13 |
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it's too bad cats are just not as good dogs
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 08:15 |
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Zenithe posted:....Did you guys read it? Or just the title? Woah woah woah slow down there pal, you're the first person to bring up cat genocide. I think it's a win just to recognise that pet ownership, especially cat ownership, is bourgeois as hell. How about we just go from there first, shall we? Sure you could feed pets food that is not fit for human consumption, but you could also recycle it back into the production chain to produce human-suitable food for feeding the third world. The fact that we don't just drives another stake into the capitalist system of infinite resource consumption and excess, and the hammer driving it is being held by cat owners (and to a significantly lesser extent poodle owners).
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 08:16 |
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Even if the food is ethical and the cat is kept indoors it still requires substantial resources to keep it alive which could probably be spent in a way that generates more utility. There's also the environmental impact. If I didn't own a cat I could drive a Land Cruiser guilt free.
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 08:17 |
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You cant keep dogs in an apartment. My cats keep me sane. Also infest my brain with toxoplasmosis.
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 08:17 |
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SynthOrange posted:You cant keep dogs in an apartment. My cats keep me sane. Feed/water/house a cat 24/7, or use the same resources to sustain a therapist who you see once a week to discuss things with. Really the choice is obvious, especially if you're asleep and at work for 12-16 hours a day.
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 08:19 |
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Les Affaires posted:Woah woah woah slow down there pal, you're the first person to bring up cat genocide. Sorry, that was open24hours. quote:but you could also recycle it back into the production chain to produce human-suitable food for feeding the third world. OK, how?
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 08:21 |
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All this time cats that look like Hitler has been making a legit political point, and not, you know, funny cats. Thanks auspol thread
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 08:24 |
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Even with state subsidies a therapist visit costs as much as it takes to care for a cat for two months. Besides, I am doing both. Kitties are extremely beneficial to my wellbeing. Also if I didnt have cats I might have children.
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 08:24 |
Cats provide companionship, comfort, entertainment, and are a valuable source of cuteonium. You shouldn't let them outside though, unless you have built up an enclosed area that can actually contain them where they can't harm wildlife, and you should definitely spay or neuter them. Should bike helmets be compulsory? Lessons from Seattle and Amsterdam quote:Every day, Elizabeth Kiker cycles to her work through the streets of Seattle. As the executive director of a big bicycle club, she wants to show people that you don’t need fancy gear to ride a bike – so she rides in her skirt and office shoes. But she does wear a helmet. If she didn’t, she would risk a $102 (£67) fine.
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 08:25 |
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Oh man puritan Greens will never stop amusing me.
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 08:27 |
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Spay cats and put bike helmets on them.
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 08:28 |
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Oh you have a cat, how terribly gauche *eats quinoa, sips coffee*
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 08:30 |
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Seriously though the quoll does offer a good alternative, apparently? http://www.abc.net.au/environment/articles/2015/03/19/4200500.htm
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 08:31 |
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Pickled Tink posted:Cats provide companionship, comfort, entertainment, and are a valuable source of cuteonium. You shouldn't let them outside though, unless you have built up an enclosed area that can actually contain them where they can't harm wildlife, and you should definitely spay or neuter them. How is this anything unlike a court jester? The King doesn't spend all of his time watching him juggle, he is only called in when beckoned out of boredom (or when he wants somebody to execute). The rest of the time the jester is waiting to be beckoned. How do you consider this an efficient or even worthwhile use of finite resources?
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 08:31 |
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Add a pet section to public libraries. We have public parks so not everyone needs to have their own wasteful backyard, seems reasonable to do the same thing with cats.
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 08:33 |
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Les Affaires posted:he is only called in when beckoned out of boredom Yes, you clearly know lots about cats and your opinion on them should be valued.
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 08:33 |
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Zenithe posted:Yes, you clearly know lots about cats and your opinion on them should be valued. Granted the author of the article did say that it made a lot of pet owners uncomfortable. It's not nice to have to consider these things.
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 08:35 |
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In some places a system of 'you give food to dog, it's your dog' exists, like a form of proto-communism. Like all communism it can only end badly.
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 08:39 |
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Pet cat, get purrs, this is loving awesome.
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 08:40 |
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Private pet ownership is simply a specific form of private property and thus oppression of the working class. Full communism now
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 08:41 |
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Its more a form of slavery since animals do not give consent.
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 08:42 |
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Les Affaires posted:Granted the author of the article did say that it made a lot of pet owners uncomfortable. It's not nice to have to consider these things. What exactly was he discussing with that line though? Because it pretty clearly says this literally just before it: quote:Vale does not – as some of his critics seem to assume – advocate a mass cull of the world's pets. What is then talked about is feeding your pets vermin: quote:For example, the book suggests catching vermin such as rats and processing them into a "natural" cat food I personally have no issue with this, although you would have to have worming treatment more often. and this: quote:Equally, the book proposes a return to the days when families would – hence the book's title – have edible pets. Which in context would be worse for the environment than most responsible pet owners (that have neutered pets and don't let them wreck the environment etc.)
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 08:42 |
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The workers must seize control of the means of purr-duction.
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# ? Oct 13, 2015 08:49 |
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The only ethically correct pet:
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