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President Kucinich posted:This is basically me as well. I like firearms. I think shooting and owning them are fun. But I also understand they're not toys and should not be treated as such. If you're not competent enough to own a safe and keep your paperwork in order while also showing competency in owning and operating a firearm, you really have no business being around one. Jared Loughner and I will be the last legally competent gun owners in America
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Popular Thug Drink posted:many americans have determined that an excellent place to store a gun is between the upper and lower jaw Please do not eat the gun sandwich. I hid it behind the mayo in the fridge for a reason.
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Oct 13, 2015 23:46
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Snowman Crossing posted:Has anyone yet mentioned that the majority of gun deaths are suicides and that not having easy access to guns makes committing suicide by gun more difficult because i think this is a really important point that should be brought up it is worth mentioning that firearms are the most effective form of suicide, and that roughly 24,000 americans chose to use firearms against themselves in 2013, nearly double the homicide rate by all causes, as they are allowed to do under the Second Amendment to the Consitution of the United States of America, thanks for bringing this up
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Oct 13, 2015 23:46
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Snowman Crossing posted:Has anyone yet mentioned that the majority of gun deaths are suicides and that not having easy access to guns makes committing suicide by gun more difficult because i think this is a really important point that should be brought up it actually is important because it turns out that even momentary roadblocks can stop someone from committing suicide
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Oct 13, 2015 23:46
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Literally The Worst posted:it actually is important because it turns out that even momentary roadblocks can stop someone from committing suicide momentary roadblocks are also unconstitutional as gently caress. get that communist bullshit out of here
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Oct 13, 2015 23:48
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Literally The Worst posted:it actually is important because it turns out that even momentary roadblocks can stop someone from committing suicide same, but for abortion
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Oct 13, 2015 23:49
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President Kucinich posted:The only way to safely store a gun is to sandwich it between two larger guns. ah the ol' Lead Double Down -Troika- posted:You, and many other people in this thread, are convinced that there is no possible responsible behaviour involved with guns, ergo there's no point in trying to make you happy in the first place. If you think a local gun owner is being irresponsible, file a police report. OK, just for the purposes of a person making a decision about protecting oneself/one's family in their own home how much time and money do you think people should spend/have to spend to become a competent gun user such that you could reliably defend yourself in a manner unlikely to injure others around you that were not threatening you I really don't know anything about this so this is interesting to me What's the process?
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Oct 13, 2015 23:49
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Lotta people implying some fascistic bullshit about suicide being bad or something, just saying.
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Oct 13, 2015 23:51
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Monkey Fracas posted:OK, just for the purposes of a person making a decision about protecting oneself/one's family in their own home how much time and money do you think people should spend/have to spend to become a competent gun user such that you could reliably defend yourself I played a lot of HALO in college but I was never very good
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Oct 13, 2015 23:51
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:same, but for abortion Yeah, making it harder to do something makes it harder to do something.
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Oct 13, 2015 23:51
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hA Wizard of Goatse posted:same, but for abortion hmmmmmmmmmmmmm Lemming posted:Yeah, making it harder to do something makes it harder to do something. no i mean literally a momentary roadblock can stop someone from committing suicide, and not just until they get home and tie a noose. a lot of times its just about getting through that moment of crisis, which is part of why you're starting to see bridges put up fences or barriers
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Oct 13, 2015 23:54
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Entomb the suicidal with literal roadblocks.
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Oct 13, 2015 23:55
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Monkey Fracas posted:OK, just for the purposes of a person making a decision about protecting oneself/one's family in their own home how much time and money do you think people should spend/have to spend to become a competent gun user such that you could reliably defend yourself in a manner unlikely to injure others around you that were not threatening you If you have a fairly low bar any decent gun safety class and maybe $100/year on ammo will bring you up to the level of your average cop. Most people would say that's a bare minimum to maintain proficiency in safe handling and operation. Not near enough to be a good shot, but you don't have to be Quigley to hit a target that's in the room with you.
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Oct 13, 2015 23:56
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IMO if you need a special class to tell you that if you point a loaded gun at someone and pull the trigger, they might die, you shouldn't own a gun
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:IMO if you need a special class to tell you that if you point a loaded gun at someone and pull the trigger, they might die, you shouldn't own a gun More communist restrictions on the right to defend against yourself.
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Oct 13, 2015 23:57
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Effectronica posted:Lotta people implying some fascistic bullshit about suicide being bad or something, just saying. suicide is some politically correct garbage. the better term is "self defense in the home against an individual threatening your life with a gun" i think it's despicable to question anyone's use of castle doctrine when the facts are often so cleanly laid out. and would you argue with notable americans like ernest hemingway or kurt cobain? self defense against the self is also the number one method for ending mass shootings, so we shouldn't be in any haste to condemn or restrict the practice boner confessor fucked around with this message at 23:59 on Oct 13, 2015 |
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Oct 13, 2015 23:57
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:IMO if you need a special class to tell you that if you point a loaded gun at someone and pull the trigger, they might die, you shouldn't own a gun now, how to weed those people out
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Oct 13, 2015 23:59
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Rent-A-Cop posted:It depends on your definition of "competent." If you have a fairly low bar any decent gun safety class and maybe $100/year on ammo will bring you up to the level of your average cop. hmmmmm But joking aside are classes like 50 bucks? Free? Should you be doing it every year or 6 months to maintain competency? How do you tell which classes are run by dumb hacks teaching poo poo that will get you killed? How much range time do you need to put in aside from classes? For reference my level of gun knowledge is "sometimes shoots at crap in the middle of nowhere with friends that own guns and a lot of land in the middle of nowhere but does not own/maintain any guns"
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Oct 14, 2015 00:01
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Monkey Fracas posted:But joking aside are classes like 50 bucks? Free? Should you be doing it every year or 6 months to maintain competency? How do you tell which classes are run by dumb hacks teaching poo poo that will get you killed? How much range time do you need to put in aside from classes? sounds like it should have federally mandated standards imo
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Literally The Worst posted:now, how to weed those people out make an Expendables sequel where everyone uses cool guns with U-shaped barrels, release those onto the market, wait 30 days
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Oct 14, 2015 00:03
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various cheeses, you claim to "hold progressive values" despite your plan to vote Republican because of gun control alone. Allow me to enumerate some (certainly not all!) of the many, many un-progressive things you will be voting for as a direct consequence of punching the ticket for the Republicans. I want you to weigh these things against your gun collection. Where do your priorities really lie? * A party whose presidential front runner made comments about an anchorwoman's menstrual cycle on national television without the slightest shame, who appeals to the basest, cruelest nativism and Latinophobia as the foundation stone of his campaign, whose political persona is one of a brutal, pitiless, proud bully who revels in the ability to crush people. * A party whose presidential second-place candidate somehow became a neurosurgeon while denying virtually every piece of scientific knowledge humanity has learned in the past 200 years, who has stated in public that speaking to the families of victims of a mass shooting is not worth his time. * A party whose leading politicians can speak without fear of consequences about destroying an entire arm of the American federal government for getting in their way, an arm of the government protected by the same constitution that gun rights advocates invoke when they speak of their second amendment rights. * A party that idolizes the ruthless Russian autocrat Vladimir Putin and wishes to elect a president that behaves like him. * Trying to pretend that employees of local governments have the "human right" to deny queer couples their right, lawfully recognized by the country's highest court, to a marriage, thereby refusing to do the duties that come with their own jobs, and keep said jobs. * Forcing a woman to carry a health-sapping, potentially life-threatening parasite placed inside her body by a rapist. * Violating the first amendment rights of Muslim American activists and sympathizers by placing them on a no fly list for daring to speak out against odious "national security" policies, without justification or legal remedy. * Violating the first amendment rights of black people and residents of heavily Democratic areas by gerrymandering and voter suppression, to prevent their votes from affecting national politics. * Violating the fourth and fifth amendment rights of all Americans through mass surveillance and data collection. * Violating the fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, and eighth amendment rights of accused (not convicted) "terrorists" imprisoned by American soldiers on American soil in the abominable Guantanamo Bay concentration camp, and the steadfast opposition to Democratic politicians' attempts to start dismantling this concentration camp. * The destruction of large areas of American land, the obliteration of entire ecosystems, and the poisoning of rural communities by fracking to prop up the American energy industry. * The attempt to use the fossil fuel industry as an engine to drive American economic growth, despite the utterly ruinous consequences of making an economy dependent on fossil fuel extraction. * Spending hundreds of billions a year on a global campaign of state terrorism against the Muslim world for having the temerity to exist and resist American imperialism, sending American youth to be maimed and killed for this evil crusade, and attempting to expand and extend this state terror campaign whenever possible. * Refusing to allow the government to raise sufficient taxes to pay its bills, and then turning around and complaining that the government lacks fiscal responsibility. * Being willing to sabotage the government by refusing to pass a budget, causing a shutdown of many essential services, over funding to a women's health organization, because that organization uses other funds from private sources to conduct abortions, and then concocting outrageous and libelous stories about said organization dissecting babies and parting them out like a scrapped automobile. * The annihilation of Western civilization, and perhaps the entire human race, by global warming within the next 100 years.
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Class consists of watching Dirty Harry. If at any point you get a boner, you're out. And by out, I mean you pass.
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Oct 14, 2015 00:06
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Mandatory insurance to own a gun, but using actuarial tables that collate by race so minorities are paying 15x more to own a gun than me. 
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Monkey Fracas posted:But joking aside are classes like 50 bucks? Free? Should you be doing it every year or 6 months to maintain competency? How do you tell which classes are run by dumb hacks teaching poo poo that will get you killed? How much range time do you need to put in aside from classes? For the most part nobody is going to teach anything that's dangerous. An NRA instructor cert is probably worth asking for, but it's pretty hard to gently caress up the 4 rules.
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Literally The Worst posted:no i mean literally a momentary roadblock can stop someone from committing suicide, and not just until they get home and tie a noose. a lot of times its just about getting through that moment of crisis, which is part of why you're starting to see bridges put up fences or barriers
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Oct 14, 2015 00:09
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I am in favor of a $250 licensing fee to get a suicide permit, that seems fair
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Oct 14, 2015 00:12
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guns are an absolutely essential tool if we're going to eat the rich
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Dead Reckoning posted:Prevention of the impulsive subset of suicides is an insufficiently compelling interest to compromise our rights over especially when there are more narrowly tailored and less restrictive alternatives. 20,000 American Heroes yearly say that "suicide", or as we non-fasco-communists call it, "heroic self-defense", IS a right. Will you deny then?
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Dead Reckoning posted:Prevention of the impulsive subset of suicides is an insufficiently compelling interest to compromise our rights over especially when there are more narrowly tailored and less restrictive alternatives. didn't you just get run out of a thread with your tail between your legs for being massively wrong about autoself defense last week anyway, the proper answer is that we should never restrict any american's right to shoot someone who threatens them, given that most often they threaten themselves - and there's no more effective way to defend against a threat to the self when the threat is one's self than with a firearm
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:I am in favor of a $250 licensing fee to get a suicide permit, that seems fair "Five forms of ID? Who has loving five forms of ID?! gently caress it! I guess I'll just live."
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Woolie Wool posted:various cheeses, you claim to "hold progressive values" despite your plan to vote Republican because of gun control alone. Allow me to enumerate some (certainly not all!) of the many, many un-progressive things you will be voting for as a direct consequence of punching the ticket for the Republicans. I want you to weigh these things against your gun collection. Where do your priorities really lie? These are the consequences of being pro gun control, when it all comes down to it
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:I am in favor of a $250 licensing fee to get a suicide permit, that seems fair a fee is unconstitutional imo, suicide permits should be free. subsidized, even
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maybe some more forms. just think if a guy wants to kill himself and we make him go through some detailed forms to prove he is mentally competent to die, that could fix everythingPopular Thug Drink posted:a fee is unconstitutional imo, suicide permits should be free. subsidized, even If you're not willing to pay at minimum $250 to end your existence, I have to question your motives for wanting it
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Snowman Crossing posted:These are the consequences of being pro gun control, when it all comes down to it Please tell me how the Brady Campaign is advising Democrats to shut down the government to force a handgun ban through. 
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:maybe some more forms. just think if a guy wants to kill himself and we make him go through some detailed forms to prove he is mentally competent to die, that could fix everything loving fascists, so afraid to join those twenty thousand men and women every year, another twenty thousand coming every year, that they want to restrict others from so doing.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:$50ish is probably in the right ballpark for a basic firearms safety course. Larger gun stores will often offer free or discounted classes if you buy stuff from them, are an NRA member, etc. The information is pretty basic, so there isn't much need for refreshers. After that maybe burn through a box of ammo every couple months and you'll be getting more practice than most cops. Sounds like you're talking about a simple range safety course- do you think that's sufficient for like a home defense situation? I would think that's quite a bit different than throwing rounds downrange in a controlled situation
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I'm going to use gun control as an excuse every time I'm a complete piece of poo poo to my friends and family.
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Effectronica posted:loving fascists, so afraid to join those twenty thousand men and women every year, another twenty thousand coming every year, that they want to restrict others from so doing. don't get me wrong I would never question peoples' innate right to kill themselves to lure wild animals to hunt, or possibly for sport, it is those extremists who wish to kill themselves in order to no longer feel the pain of existence who IMO are perverting the intent of Jefferson and Washington and, um, that other guy, with the wig
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Woolie Wool posted:Please tell me how the Brady Campaign is advising Democrats to shut down the government to force a handgun ban through. No, I mean like, because I'm voting R on the single issue of gun control the entire world will burn. Hope you're happy!
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:If you're not willing to pay at minimum $250 to end your existence, I have to question your motives for wanting it prior restraint is unconstitutional, friend
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