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Pick posted:He blamed a poor vote on Glass-Steagall on it being "his first day" and that his dad had just died. He almost got that paper extension too.
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Dumb question, but even with that being the case for Chafee, couldn't he have just voted abstain or excused himself from attendance altogether?
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TheRamblingSoul posted:Dumb question, but even with that being the case for Chafee, couldn't he have just voted abstain or excused himself from attendance altogether? But his dad died and everything man!
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fade5 posted:He served in Vietnam (hence the grenade line at the end), and he's a warhawk Blue Dog. The weird part about his hawkishness tonight is that for a very long time he has been ardently anti-hawk, anti-interventionist, anti-nation builder. He'd seen war and didn't want any more of it, to the point of getting openly verbally abusive about it with Bush in front of the press. Yet tonight there he was banging the war drum. So here's something I didn't expect - the Chicago Tribune is gushing over Bernie and his performance. The Trib has been very right wing for a while, and adopted the WSJ style guide in 2007 as part of angling to be bought by NewsCorp. But the editorial they dropped on the debate is really praising him.
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TheRamblingSoul posted:Dumb question, but even with that being the case for Chafee, couldn't he have just voted abstain or excused himself from attendance altogether? It doesn't matter if he voted for the bill because he got confused after doing blow on a hooker's rear end, its such an easy deflection. To gently caress it up by going for the "it was my first day...." even with the other poo poo, doesn't matter. Chafee is just thanking his lucky stars Diamond Joe wasn't on that stage, cause I'm pretty sure Joe Biden could have said a thing or two about facing family tragedy then putting your big-kid pants on to loving do your duty to this country. Seriously, Chafee's answer will be used for decades in classrooms as an example of a bad response. It was that bad. Trabisnikof fucked around with this message at 05:44 on Oct 14, 2015 |
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Trabisnikof posted:It doesn't matter if he voted for the bill because he got confused after doing blow on a hooker's rear end, its such an easy deflection. To gently caress it up by going for the "it was my first day...." even with the other poo poo, doesn't matter. I wish Biden showed up just to punish Chafee and Webb and dropped out immediately after
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TheRamblingSoul posted:Dumb question, but even with that being the case for Chafee, couldn't he have just voted abstain or excused himself from attendance altogether? Yes. Which is another part in why that response was such a disaster. All he really needed to say was "it was early in my career and I, like many others who voted in favor of this, made a mistake. We thought alternative regulations could be more effective and history has shown we were wrong. That is why I am proposing new ideas that learn from the past and will focus on bringing Wall Street to heel to/by *insert stump speech here*" instead of what he delivered Though let's be honest that was a fairly magical moment, one that will be in debate tutorial lessons for years to come for what not to do
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Lprsti99 posted:"How will your presidency be different than just a third Obama term?" God that made me physically ill. Does anyone have a clip of this?
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It wasn't even the "It was my first day!" that'll sink Chafee as though he had far to drop, right?); it was the way he followed up with "And besides, it was a 95-5 vote!" Like the peer pressure got to him. He defended his vote for the Patriot Act by saying "It was 99-1!" which was particularly stupid considering that the 1 was right there on the same stage as him. I mean, we know Senators don't want to be on the unpopular side of a vote but they're usually bright enough not to use that as an excuse for why they voted the way they did.
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TheRamblingSoul posted:Anyone got a link or summary of what Chafee did to gaffe so badly for those who didn't watch the debate? Anderson Cooper: "Secretary Clinton do you want to respond?" Hillary Clinton: "No."  In video form: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9P5JTQLdPLA Part one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f06slMOBfMg Part two fade5 fucked around with this message at 05:53 on Oct 14, 2015 |
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negativeneil posted:God that made me physically ill. Does anyone have a clip of this? It's in this article: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...ode_island.html lincoln_chafee_lost_the_democratic_primary_debate
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Fried Chicken posted:So here's something I didn't expect - the Chicago Tribune is gushing over Bernie and his performance. The Trib has been very right wing for a while, and adopted the WSJ style guide in 2007 as part of angling to be bought by NewsCorp. But the editorial they dropped on the debate is really praising him. I saw Megyn Kelly on Twitter praise Sanders; I have a feeling it's to foil Clinton.
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Blackjack2000 posted:I saw Megyn Kelly on Twitter praise Sanders; I have a feeling it's to foil Clinton. Correct.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:It's in this article: lmao he actually asked for a do-over, I missed that while laughing.
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:It wasn't even the "It was my first day!" that'll sink Chafee as though he had far to drop, right?); it was the way he followed up with "And besides, it was a 95-5 vote!" Like the peer pressure got to him. He defended his vote for the Patriot Act by saying "It was 99-1!" which was particularly stupid considering that the 1 was right there on the same stage as him. The one Senator was Feingold. Sanders voted against it but he was a House member at the time.
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Lincoln Chaffee seems like a nice guy. Like a naive, bookworm kind of nice guy. Makes you wonder how he survived this long in politics. I also found it kinda weird that Anderson set Hillary up with "would you like to respond?" because he never phrased it that way normally. He knew she was going to slam him I guess 
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Thanks for the responses, guys.fade5 posted:In addition to the horror show discussed above, Chafee was an unwitting part of the best part of the debate: after Anderson Cooper brought up Hillary's email thing, Bernie went in defense of Clinton and said "enough with the drat emails", and then Chafee went charging on ahead with the emails anyway, and set himself up for Hillary to put his head on a loving pike with one single word: Bernie owns. Chafee sucks.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:The one Senator was Feingold. Sanders voted against it but he was a House member at the time. Oh poo poo that's right; I'm an idiot. Bernie still turned the line around on him handily, though.
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blah doublepost forumsweird I made the same mistake during the debate and had the same "but Bernie was the one" thought but then I checked wikipedia to make sure and realized I'd been wrong.
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fade5 posted:In addition to the horror show discussed above, Chafee was an unwitting part of the best part of the debate: after Anderson Cooper brought up Hillary's email thing, Bernie went in defense of Clinton and said "enough with the drat emails", and then Chafee went charging on ahead with the emails anyway, and set himself up for Hillary to put his head on a loving pike with one single word: stone cold political instinct
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:The one Senator was Feingold. Sanders voted against it but he was a House member at the time. Fun fact: Fiengold was also the only Democratic Senator to essentially vote for impeachment of Bill Clinton
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:It's in this article: I don't see it. It's just so frustrating, I don't recall Obama smirking and saying "well, y'know, first black President will really be somethin' huh?" Just such blatant pandering and identity politics.
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Chafee: "anyway, it was 35 to -17.2" Is there a decision on why he's running yet? I can understand O'Malley (cabinet), Webb (Reagan) and Lessig (Lessig) but does Chafee expect to get anything out of it?
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James Garfield posted:Chafee: "anyway, it was 35 to -17.2"
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Chafee should be off teaching civics in a school some where, not on that stage.
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My Rhythmic Crotch posted:Lincoln Chaffee seems like a nice guy. Like a naive, bookworm kind of nice guy. Makes you wonder how he survived this long in politics. Chafee's family has been high in Rhode Island politics since the mid-19th century. And the state's not very big in any way. That's why.
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Nintendo Kid posted:Chafee's family has been high in Rhode Island politics since the mid-19th century. And the state's not very big in any way. That's why. As he stated, he first became Senator by literally being appointed to take his dead father's seat.
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negativeneil posted:I don't see it. It's just so frustrating, I don't recall Obama smirking and saying "well, y'know, first black President will really be somethin' huh?" Just such blatant pandering and identity politics. Making "first female president" a core narrative is, just in terms of numbers, a far safer appeal; you can guess that at least half the population, minus a few, will support the idea. "First black president" gets you a more-or-less locked-in 12 percent and loses you a significant number of openly racist and "'I'm not racist but..." whites. As for pandering, who cares? Pandering is a cherished American institution, and HRC probably doesn't lose any voters who weren't already uncomfortable (at least unconsciously) with a female president. Heck, unlike her pandering on issues like the TPP, voters can be absolutely sure that a vote for her is certainly a vote for the first female prez.
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Trabisnikof posted:I want to know which person got more tweets 
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If twitter activity is a useful measure for a candidates likelihood of becoming President of the United States of America then get ready for 8(+?) years of Trump.
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Fojar38 posted:If twitter activity is a useful measure for a candidates likelihood of becoming President of the United States of America then get ready for 8(+?) years of Trump. Trump is Chafee in comparison after tonight.
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Fojar38 posted:If twitter activity is a useful measure for a candidates likelihood of becoming President of the United States of America then get ready for 8(+?) years of Trump. Unless there's a surprise upset by #KONY2012
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:Unless there's a surprise upset by #KONY2012 Where's the birth certificate, Kony?
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Valentin posted:As for pandering, who cares? Pandering is a cherished American institution, and HRC probably doesn't lose any voters who weren't already uncomfortable (at least unconsciously) with a female president. Heck, unlike her pandering on issues like the TPP, voters can be absolutely sure that a vote for her is certainly a vote for the first female prez. After she's elected I cannot wait to hear Republicans openly cry about how the only reason WOMEN voted for her was because she's a woman for the same reason black people voted for Obama because he was black. That'll go over well.
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On Terra Firma posted:After she's elected I cannot wait to hear Republicans openly cry about how the only reason WOMEN voted for her was because she's a woman for the same reason black people voted for Obama because he was black. That'll go over well. I legitimately like Hillary much more based on the fact she's a woman than I would otherwise. Suck my cooch.
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Nonsense posted:Trump is Chafee in comparison after tonight. He may actually be making a reference to the rather meaningless benchmark Trump passed tonight.
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Valentin posted:Making "first female president" a core narrative is, just in terms of numbers, a far safer appeal; you can guess that at least half the population, minus a few, will support the idea. "First black president" gets you a more-or-less locked-in 12 percent and loses you a significant number of openly racist and "'I'm not racist but..." whites. I'm not saying it's ineffective, I'm saying it's gross and completely devoid of meaning. It bums me out seeing my female friends go full bore identity politics in support of her too, despite Bernie's platform being more in line with what they think.
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negativeneil posted:I'm not saying it's ineffective, I'm saying it's gross and completely devoid of meaning. It bums me out seeing my female friends go full bore identity politics in support of her too, despite Bernie's platform being more in line with what they think. No! Not.... identity politics!! *Tocatta and Fugue in D Minor plays*
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