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MattD1zzl3 posted:Do they not think to redirect flights around active war zones? Now they do. But airlines can't be held responsible for deciding whether an airspace is safe or not - how would they know? So they generally rely on what the government/airspace owner tells them, and the Ukrainians said it was safe above FL320, so MH17 flew at FL330.
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MattD1zzl3 posted:Do they not think to redirect flights around active war zones? Hindsight is 20/20 and several other airliners did redirect but airliners fly over conflict zones all the time. Those zones just typically aren't slinging double digit SAMs.
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Exclusive mh17 video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vxL1rK58MA
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Tsuru posted:Realistically, the firing of the missile was probably an honest mistake by the operator, as from his vantage point the elevation rise of a fast airliner at FL300+ would be similar to a slower aircraft (AN26) at lower altitude, but there is still such a thing as 298 counts of manslaughter. But whoever he was, he has probably (been) disappeared long ago. While I agree that it was probably an honest mistake, I doubt it was due to misreading the flight profile. That's a 3d radar system and it has various means of determining range. If it were an optical engagement shooting at shadows between dawn and dusk, I'd buy it, but not an SA-11 engagement.
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The Governor of Massachusetts issued a proclamation that the Collings Foundation is educational, as did the State House of Representatives. That should pretty much be the nail in the coffin for the Stow council (and maybe those dumb anti-tank signs will go away).
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Colonial Air Force posted:The Governor of Massachusetts issued a proclamation that the Collings Foundation is educational, as did the State House of Representatives. ahahahaha if you think it'll shut up that bunch of NIMBYs Also, a republicn governor and the 90% dem MA house agreeing on something is a loving miracle.
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Kilonum posted:ahahahaha if you think it'll shut up that bunch of NIMBYs Well no, I'm sure they won't shut up. But it's heading to court, and this will pretty much guarantee a win for Collings (not that it wouldn't have gone his way anyway).
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do you have a copy of the proclamation text? I don't see it on mass.gov
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Psion posted:do you have a copy of the proclamation text? I don't see it on mass.gov No, the only thing I have officially is from their Facebook page: quote:We are honored to receive a Governor's Citation "In Celebration Of Providing Over 35 Years Of Educational Living History Programs to the Citizens of the Commonwealth - AND - from the MA House of Representatives a certificate "In recognition of Providing Truly Educational Living History To the Citizens of The United States Of America" (Picture left to right: Hunter Chaney, Representative Donald Birthiume, Rob Collings, Bob Collings. I was there, though, it's real!
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People's reactions are funny. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/avi...-air-drama.html If the general public knew a tiny little bit about how these things go, they wouldn't panic when they see their airliner getting intercepted by a fighter jet flying very close. (They should instead panic when they don't see that their airliner is getting intercepted by a supersonic missile flying high above them and launched from a truck on the ground, but, you know.) If the fighter was there to shoot down the airliner it wouldn't need to be close, it's getting close because the pilot needs to check if everything's going all right in the cockpit. Or, instead of being afraid that the fighter is a Russian jet, they should be worried about what's happening onboard their own plane for an intercept to have been launched. And by the way if the picture in the article is that taken by the couple as the caption describes, then they're wrong about the fighter type used for the intercept.
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I also got buzzed by A-10s the past 2 days at the mountain I work on. Fun times!
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Cat Mattress posted:People's reactions are funny. They were worried about it being Russian.. on a flight from Madeira (out WSW of Portugal) to Birmingham (which is in England that last I heard). They apparently know less about world geography than they know about recognizing fighter jet nationalities.
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Colonial Air Force posted:I also got buzzed by A-10s the past 2 days at the mountain I work on. Fun times! Hi, this is my jealous face: <  > I want to be buzzed by some A-10's!...just not brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrap'd
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Duke Chin posted:Hi, this is my jealous face: < Would you accept being buzzed by some F-35s?
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Jumpingmanjim posted:Would you accept being buzzed by some F-35s? Yes. Actually I really wouldn't mind seeing one of those flying money pits toot around The Sound for a while. Or more Raptors. Or some Apache's even.
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I'm not even sure where the A-10s are flying from (but something in the back of my mind thinks the Vermont ANG has some?), but I'm pretty sure they're leaf-peeping.
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Its the Mass ANG base that has a A-10 sq. Edit my info is outdated i forgot the mass A-10sq got brac'd to someplace else. Greataval fucked around with this message at 01:01 on Oct 15, 2015 |
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Greataval posted:Its the Mass ANG base that has a A-10 sq. A-ha! Fuckin' Masshole leafpeepers! 
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Greataval posted:Its the Mass ANG base that has a A-10 sq. Michigan.
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Michigan. I thought they closed the michigan a-10 sq in 08 when they closed pope and eielsen to A-10s.
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Greataval posted:I thought they closed the michigan a-10 sq in 08 when they closed pope and eielsen to A-10s. Nope 127th is still flying out of Selfridge.
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https://i.imgur.com/Ywesn5J.jpg Awwwwwwww it's so cute
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McDeth posted:https://i.imgur.com/Ywesn5J.jpg but....why??? edit: nvermind: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_747SP posted:The 747SP was the longest-range airliner available until the 747-400 entered service in 1989. Jonny Nox fucked around with this message at 08:08 on Oct 15, 2015 |
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Never mind that. This is probably the awesomest 747SP in existence:   A9C-HAK, a Bahraini government ship. IR countermeasures, something something communications array, RR schwag, elevator, and almost every surface absolutely spotless white 
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747SuperPetite?
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A local church around here has one of those.
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Tsuru posted:Never mind that. This is probably the awesomest 747SP in existence: Looks like a Nightwing E-4 747: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_E-4 
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Bit fell off your C-3 mate  BBC News posted:A pilot managed to glide his single-engined aeroplane to safety after the propeller fell off at 2,000ft (610m). Glass of water followed by several large brandies.
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Guy almost endos in his Hurricane but gets it landed minus a tire (and probably half the wheel, judging from the sparks): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3uMDlp2dw0
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Duke Chin posted:Hi, this is my jealous face: < Still out there today, too, and they even "waved" to me today. Everyone here said they're from Vermont, though.
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Vermont only flies F-16C/Ds, MA F-15C/Ds, Maine and NH KC-135Rs, RI C-130Js and CT C-21As (AKA Learjet 35). ANG units that fly the A-10 are the 104th out of Maryland, the 107th out of Michigan, the 163rd in Indiana and the 190th in Idaho, and the nearest A-10 units otherwise are the 74th, 75th and 76th* squadrons out of my birthplace of Moody Air Force Base in Georgia, with the rest of the fleet being at Davis-Montham AFB in Arizona (354th, 357th, 358th, 45th* and 47th* squadrons), Whiteman AFB in Missouri (303rd* Squadron), Nellis AFB (66th Weapons squadron and 422nd flight test and eval squadron) and Osan AB in South Korea (25th squadron) *Reserve squadron
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Phanatic posted:Guy almost endos in his Hurricane but gets it landed minus a tire (and probably half the wheel, judging from the sparks): What happened here? Hydrolic failure lock up the right brake? The pilot was asking for fire trucks so he knew something was wrong.
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Kilonum posted:Vermont only flies F-16C/Ds, MA F-15C/Ds, Maine and NH KC-135Rs, RI C-130Js and CT C-21As (AKA Learjet 35). Well, this week they're in the White Mountains 
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Phanatic posted:Guy almost endos in his Hurricane but gets it landed minus a tire (and probably half the wheel, judging from the sparks): Enjoying the contrast between Hurricane and the Dreamlifter in the background
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Bit fell off your 747 mate... http://news.sky.com/story/1570057/part-of-planes-engine-falls-off-in-mid-air
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monkeytennis posted:Bit fell off your 747 mate... Decades of sanctions have not been kind to Iranian aviation.
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monkeytennis posted:Bit fell off your 747 mate...
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Linedance posted:Decades of sanctions have not been kind to Iranian aviation. Alereon posted:Dollars to doughnuts someone got creative with an engine replacement procedure. Mahan is not as badly affected by the sanctions as you might think, they even have some fairly recent equipment like A340-600's that they picked up for cheap. According to the internet they have 2 747-300's operational powered by CF6-50 engines. Bits of CF6-50 turbine and exhaust nozzle also tended to fall off when these jets were still flying in the west, with the full benefit of western maintenance standards and acres of money and parts. A KLM jet famously lost parts of the hot section of one of its CF6 engines when departing from LAX, right over the beach. There has been an SB for this problem for quite a while. AVHerald has more: http://avherald.com/h?article=48dd5158&opt=0 Tsuru fucked around with this message at 23:02 on Oct 15, 2015 |
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Tsuru posted:Mahan is not as badly affected by the sanctions as you might think, they even have some fairly recent equipment like A340-600's that they picked up for cheap. According to the internet they have 2 747-300's operational powered by CF6-50 engines. Nice job landing with 2 engines.
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