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Slavvy posted:Seeing stuff like this makes me wonder why people are always eyerolling at german engineering when the italians do it so much loving worse. Because lay people expect that poo poo from the Italians and to their credit, Italians never claimed their cars were reliable or cheap to maintain. Meanwhile, Top Gear fellates VW "build quality" and VW advertises "German Engineering."
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Oct 15, 2015 07:47
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14 INCH DICK posted:From imgur: Some dipshit on JRITS(reddit) said this lady was eating cereal and spilled it and welp 
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Slavvy posted:Seeing stuff like this makes me wonder why people are always eyerolling at german engineering when the italians do it so much loving worse. pretty sure it's because the germans are known for their "German Reliability" when really that's gone away because they make stupid crap like plastic that corrodes with coolant used as internal water jackets and crap.
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Slavvy posted:Seeing stuff like this makes me wonder why people are always eyerolling at german engineering when the italians do it so much loving worse. Italian cars have a sense of humour.
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tater_salad posted:pretty sure it's because the germans are known for their "German Reliability" when really that's gone away because they make stupid crap like plastic that corrodes with coolant used as internal water jackets and crap. All of this stuff is designed to be perfectly reliable for the life of the vehicle, which is approximately 1 month plus the standard warranty period.
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Oct 15, 2015 15:21
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Seat Safety Switch posted:Italian cars have a sense of humour. Germans have a sense of humor, it's just the things they laugh at aren't funny.
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ShittyPostmakerPro posted:All of this stuff is designed to be perfectly reliable for the life of the vehicle, which is approximately 1 month plus the standard warranty period. I think it also comes from the utilitarian nature of older german cars like the beetle.. I mean after my first successful rebuild, I could probably start with a Type1, and by the end of a weekend with he helping hands of 1 person, have the engine out, torn down, rebuilt and back in.. they use to be so bloody simple even a retard with a wrench could fix them (ME).. but now they have quadport multifire injectionplugs that are are controlled by an onboard comptuer under the drivers side fender matched to each plug and you need a special software suite to reprogram them.
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Americans also don't really see Italian cars much outside of Lamborghinis while German cars are everywhere. If we had to deal with Alfas all the time, I'm guessing the haters would be all over the place.
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Oct 15, 2015 21:10
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Maserati is surprisingly common where I'm at.. I actually see them more than Lambos and Ferrari. Ferrari is the least common by far, I guess the yuppies around here consider them passe.
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Oct 15, 2015 21:12
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DiggityDoink posted:Americans also don't really see Italian cars much outside of Lamborghinis while German cars are everywhere. If we had to deal with Alfas all the time, I'm guessing the haters would be all over the place. I doubt those Fiat Dodge models are any better than actual Fiats or Alfas
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Oct 15, 2015 21:13
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Every time I'm baffled by a VW design decision I remember the mantra a man named Klaus taught me, "Why make it simple when complicated will do?" and nod to myself because it suddenly makes sense.
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Oct 15, 2015 21:45
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VW used to do it right. In the 60's you could do all standard maintenance with a 10mm socket, a 21mm box wrench, a flathead screwdriver, and a set of feeler gauges.
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Oct 15, 2015 22:08
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xzzy posted:VW used to do it right. In the 60's you could do all standard maintenance with a 10mm socket, a 21mm box wrench, a flathead screwdriver, and a set of feeler gauges. You left out the 13mm socket and 17mm box end to pull the engine 
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Oct 15, 2015 22:09
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All I need on for regular maintenance on my GTI is a 10 mm socket, torx bit, triple square bit, 17 mm wrench, 19 mm socket, 36 mm socket, 10 mm Allen driver, brake caliper tool (to turn the piston as it retracts), and a special tool to drain the oil out of the oil filter housing.
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Yeah, and short triple square as well as long ones, and replacements for every. single. bolt.
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Uthor posted:All I need on for regular maintenance on my GTI is a 10 mm socket, torx bit, triple square bit, 17 mm wrench, 19 mm socket, 36 mm socket, 10 mm Allen driver, brake caliper tool (to turn the piston as it retracts), and a special tool to drain the oil out of the oil filter housing. My Scirocco came from the factory with a 13x10 open end wrench, a screwdriver with phillips and slotted ends, and a 17mm tire iron that is formed into a spark plug socket in the long end. One can take half the car apart with just that!
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Uthor posted:All I need on for regular maintenance on my GTI is a 10 mm socket, torx bit, triple square bit, 17 mm wrench, 19 mm socket, 36 mm socket, 10 mm Allen driver, brake caliper tool (to turn the piston as it retracts), and a special tool to drain the oil out of the oil filter housing. The GTI/A3 and it's 2.0L turbo is a strange island of sanity in the otherwise hosed up world of VAG cars.
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8ender posted:The GTI/A3 and it's 2.0L turbo is a strange island of sanity in the otherwise hosed up world of VAG cars. If six hour cambelts and headlight bumper removal are your idea of sanity yeah.
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dissss posted:I doubt those Fiat Dodge models are any better than actual Fiats or Alfas They're still new enough here that the major issues haven't come out of the woodwork, though to be fair I know nothing about modern Fiats. Not that it'll be hard to go from hating Chrysler to hating Fiat, though quality might actually be improved since Daimler is out of the picture. DiggityDoink fucked around with this message at 12:23 on Oct 16, 2015 |
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It's not.
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DiggityDoink posted:They're still new enough here that the major issues haven't come out of the woodwork, though to be fair I know nothing about modern Fiats. Not that it'll be hard to go from hating Chrysler to hating Fiat, though quality might actually be improved since Daimler is out of the picture. Fiat has many qualities.
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DiggityDoink posted:They're still new enough here that the major issues haven't come out of the woodwork, though to be fair I know nothing about modern Fiats. Not that it'll be hard to go from hating Chrysler to hating Fiat, though quality might actually be improved since Daimler is out of the picture. Ive said this in this thread before and I dont know about regular 500's but the 500L is a pile of poo poo. the one I worked on was leaking oil from the turbo at 20 some thousand miles. Looks needlessly complicated, rushed in its adaptation from a carrier van and nailed together in Serbia.
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General_Failure posted:Fiat has many qualities. Thank you for the comprehensive list Actually I really kinda want to take one of the wee little 500s out to an autox or something and fling it around the course just to see what it's like. They look fun, like a Yaris.
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My wife switched from learning to drive in a Corsa to a 500 and apparently they handle well.
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Beach Bum posted:Thank you for the comprehensive list ... Really? Fiat aren't really known as being the most reliable. I'm not sure what the process is but it feels like the person calling the shots is a madman and the designers are fairly competent. So at least the way I see them are bad ideas well implemented.
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Dashing through the snow In a recalled Chevrolet Over the fields we go Until our tie rods break Balljoints disconnect, Making front end shake, What fun it is to die and scream. In a recalled Chevrolet. Ooohhhhh~ Dinging bells Rotted wells Shimmy all the way! What fun it is to die and scream in a recalled Chevrolet! Bells and alarm chimes ring Flashing service lights Safety inspection means nothing Bailout money's pretty tight Queen_Combat fucked around with this message at 23:55 on Oct 16, 2015 |
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Oct 16, 2015 23:08
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Geirskogul posted:Dashing through the snow  I think we need to write an AI songbook.
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General_Failure posted:Fiat has many qualities. Fix it again tony.
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Brake caliper was twisted 2? revolutions kinking the line when it had an R&R. Missing the retention pin at the bracket to soft line adapter, But who really needs those? (they are a pain to get off)
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Oct 17, 2015 00:51
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Yay for hood mechanics.
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Friend of my mum has an original fiat 500 in a shed on her farm. I'm sort of half tempted to see what it would take for her to part with it...
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EightBit posted:I'm not sure I'm seeing what is wrong here... A brake line that's well on its way to glorious failure.
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