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I didn't mind them. They reminded me of the dude in Raymond Feist's books who would always pull an orange out of his sack. I liked that dude. Edit: Nakor
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So I've finished the "Half a -" series. Anyone have any recommendations for something similar? I pretty much loved all Abercrombie's stuff.
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Richard K. Morgan's The Steel Remains struck me as similar, if more fantastic. Same kind of rear end in a top hat antihero, although his book focuses on just one guy.
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RCarr posted:So I've finished the "Half a -" series. Anyone have any recommendations for something similar? I pretty much loved all Abercrombie's stuff. If you liked the "Vikings on a boat trip doing viking things" parts of the books then I can heartily recommend The Long ships by Frans G Bengtsson
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Fader Movitz posted:If you liked the "Vikings on a boat trip doing viking things" parts of the books then I can heartily recommend The Long ships by Frans G Bengtsson
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Grand Prize Winner posted:Richard K. Morgan's The Steel Remains struck me as similar, if more fantastic. Same kind of rear end in a top hat antihero, although his book focuses on just one guy. I just finished the second book in the series, and while I like it overall there's a lot more genital mutilation, graphic gay sex, and overall weird sex situations than I was really happy to read about. For example I really don't need to know "the air was filled with the scent of poo poo from his open arse", and we meet the Emperor while he is casually fingering a slave girl and then wipes the result on his female councilor's face - which seems needlessly weird.
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Darkrenown posted:I just finished the second book in the series, and while I like it overall there's a lot more genital mutilation, graphic gay sex, and overall weird sex situations than I was really happy to read about. For example I really don't need to know "the air was filled with the scent of poo poo from his open arse", and we meet the Emperor while he is casually fingering a slave girl and then wipes the result on his female councilor's face - which seems needlessly weird. Agree. That series seemed like it was trying too hard to be edgy. I found myself more interested in the world-building aspect of the story than the characters themselves.
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i was listening to a review podcast that mentioned that after the host gave a negative review for black man richard k morgan sent him a lengthy email saying how the only reason the reviewer couldn't like it is because he couldn't handle the protagonist being an angry black man due to racism or something and explaining how brilliant the book actually was and how the reviewer had completely misread it due to being stupid i like some of morgan's books (i thought the first two books of land fit for heroes were great before the third poo poo the bed like ringil after a night of hard use) but he seems like a dickhead who probably thinks his ultra graphic sex scenes are pure artistry instead of being unnecessary Neurosis fucked around with this message at 12:19 on Oct 8, 2015 |
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Oct 7, 2015 15:54
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As far as Richard K Morgan goes, I never got more than lukewarm on the Land Fit For Heroes, but I thought the Takeshi Kovacs books were fantastic.
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I really loved those books as well but they had their share of weird sex scenes as well. Like when he helped that girl who was chain raped in a prison camp out of her mental shock by fingering her. I had to put the book down because I was just plain confused by why he thought that was something that needed to be in the book.
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Oct 7, 2015 19:40
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Yeah, Morgan is really good at building interesting worlds and plots but just seems to focus on... Other things.
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I don't know if focus is the right word. There's like 1-2 weird creepy sex scenes per book in the Kovacs stuff and you can pretty much skip most of them without missing anything major.
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Yeah, but if I remember correctly it's a much bigger deal in Market Forces and 13 (hell, there's a whole race of humans created by genetically modifying chimpanzees so they lack sexual inhibitions) - and the fantasy novels are apparently full of the stuff.
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Khizan posted:As far as Richard K Morgan goes, I never got more than lukewarm on the Land Fit For Heroes, but I thought the Takeshi Kovacs books were fantastic. Agreed 100%.
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Oct 7, 2015 23:24
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RCarr posted:So I've finished the "Half a -" series. Anyone have any recommendations for something similar? I pretty much loved all Abercrombie's stuff. Truth is I've found nothing to fill the Abercrombie void since I finished Shattered Sea. 
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The followup books to Lies of Locke Lamora aren't great, but that first book is real good.
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:The followup books to Lies of Locke Lamora aren't great, but that first book is real good. The first book really is excellent but the second is just awful garbage. I'm not even going to try the third.
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hemale in pain posted:The first book really is excellent but the second is just awful garbage. I'm not even going to try the third. And outside of Internet hyperbole, where everything is either the best thing ever or complete trash, the first books is outstanding, the second is just good (one half) to mediocre (other half), but overall a disappointment, the third is again better, but never reaches how well written the first was. The fourth might be out around 2020. Probably. Decius fucked around with this message at 13:40 on Oct 15, 2015 |
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I liked the second one better than the first, but that's only because it felt more like Ffarhd and the Gray Mouser than someone's adventuring group.
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Decius posted:And outside of Internet hyperbole, where everything is either the best thing ever or complete trash, the first books is outstanding, the second is just good (one half) to mediocre (other half), but overall a disappointment, the third is again better, but never reaches how well written the first was. The fourth might be out around 2020. Probably. We should probably continue this discussion in that respective thread but I disagree about the third. To me it was much worse than the second and a big step back for the series in general. You can blame some of the hyperbole for Red Seas on expectations from the first but Republic gets no such luck in my opinion. Anyways I've posted my opinion about it there a few times if you're interested. Getting back to Joe, what's new? I haven't kept up on things after the conclusion of Shattered Seas which was a bit of a letdown. Is he working on non-YA stuff again?
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The Gunslinger posted:Getting back to Joe, what's new? I haven't kept up on things after the conclusion of Shattered Seas which was a bit of a letdown. Is he working on non-YA stuff again? There's his upcoming short story collection in the First Law universe, Sharp Ends.
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The Gunslinger posted:We should probably continue this discussion in that respective thread but I disagree about the third. To me it was much worse than the second and a big step back for the series in general. You can blame some of the hyperbole for Red Seas on expectations from the first but Republic gets no such luck in my opinion. Anyways I've posted my opinion about it there a few times if you're interested.
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The Gunslinger posted:We should probably continue this discussion in that respective thread but I disagree about the third. To me it was much worse than the second and a big step back for the series in general. You can blame some of the hyperbole for Red Seas on expectations from the first but Republic gets no such luck in my opinion. Anyways I've posted my opinion about it there a few times if you're interested. Scott Lynch isn't the only one guilty of this. Seems like a lot of the recent high quality fantasy stuff has started strong and gone downhill.: Raven's Shadow trilogy by Anthony Ryan Prince of Thorns trilogy by Mark Lawrence Powder Mage trilogy by Brian McClellan and yes, Shattered Sea Also, Shattered Sea seems like it's copped straight from Prince of Thorns. oh the mysterious ancient vaguely described metal thing is a gun! shocking Mark Lawrence's Prince of Fools is pretty loving great so far though!
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Suxpool posted:Also, Shattered Sea seems like it's copped straight from Prince of Thorns. oh the mysterious ancient vaguely described metal thing is a gun! shocking
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Suxpool posted:Mark Lawrence's Prince of Fools is pretty loving great so far though! I've got bad news for you about The Liar's Key... 
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Really wanted to read the Gorst short story, Yesterday, Near a Village Called Barden. A shame it was never released in anything but 5000 hardcover books sold in England. At least we'll get to see it next year. Just a whole book of Gorst plowing through people would be fine with me.
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The Gunslinger posted:I've got bad news for you about The Liar's Key... I liked Liar's Key! Am I a person who believes wrong things for this? I mean, it was definitely weaker, but it was no Emperor of Thorns.
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The Gunslinger posted:We should probably continue this discussion in that respective thread but I disagree about the third. To me it was much worse than the second and a big step back for the series in general. You can blame some of the hyperbole for Red Seas on expectations from the first but Republic gets no such luck in my opinion. Anyways I've posted my opinion about it there a few times if you're interested. Yeah I agree about the third book there. I actually liked the second one (or most of it) a fair amount and surprised to see so much dislike of it--but the third one was really mediocre. I guess it was still OK enough to finish but that's mostly just because I'm still curious enough to see what happens next than anything else.
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I still keep thinking about how I want to see Abercrombie's work adapted in a film/TV show and spread to a wider audience but I wonder how it could really work. Ninefingers would work, but Glokta and Gorst's entire characters would be lost without their internal monologue, and The First Law trilogy hinges way too much on the third part for the first to be anywhere near satisfying enough as a first film. (At least without LOTR-level hype behind it.) I wonder if you could somehow just adapt Logen's story to retake the north into one tight story. The Heroes would, for the most part, make a pretty fantastic movie. But again, a lot of it ends up coming down to Bayaz and factors from the main trilogy that might not work as true standalone. (It occurs to me that Shattered Sea is structured way better for adaptation.)
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People would be so pissed at the end of film 2.
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VagueRant posted:The Heroes would, for the most part, make a pretty fantastic movie. But again, a lot of it ends up coming down to Bayaz and factors from the main trilogy that might not work as true standalone. A friend of mine grabbed the Heroes without realizing it and read it and loved it, then used that as the impetus to read the trilogy, so it works okay on its own.
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The Heroes, Red Country, and the Shattered Sea series would all adapt well to the screen. Who would play Logan?
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RCarr posted:Who would play Logan?
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The only way I see an adaptation working is a tv series, with Abercrombie brought in (he's a former TV editor, right?) to flesh out the first two books with more satisfying arcs for two seasons. Or just mashing them into one season, which worked for Wolf Hall.
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Oct 21, 2015 18:37
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:The only way I see an adaptation working is a tv series, with Abercrombie brought in (he's a former TV editor, right?) to flesh out the first two books with more satisfying arcs for two seasons. Or just mashing them into one season, which worked for Wolf Hall. They could probably pull off two seasons for the first two books pretty well just by fiddling with the timelines and maybe who goes where a bit. Maybe make Ferro a mite less lovely while they are at it.
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They reprinted the original trilogy in paperback recently in the States so I'm hoping that enough people buy them to warrant a show/film. Those kind of shows are hot poo poo right now.
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I'd love to see The Heroes adapted into a Ken Burns style "documentary."
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Joe is answering reader questions on /r/books.
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