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Boris Galerkin posted:Did 11 come out before wow? Yes
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Oct 15, 2015 19:29
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Tenzarin posted:No way, thats dumb. I'm talking about things before my time, but this is basically how the 24-man raids worked before too, right? To give people without the time/inclination to grind esoes and savage the ability to catch-up. If it just gave law- equivalent poo poo then what's the point?
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Oct 15, 2015 19:32
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Boris Galerkin posted:Did 11 come out before wow? Yep, a bunch of people in my linkshell even left as a group to go play it. E: and they came to FFXI from Everquest actually. Maybe they're still out there...somewhere.
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Oct 15, 2015 19:34
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Mordiceius posted:Void ark is here! Everyone gets "cool" black gear. Oh, you healers? Yeah, you're stuck with the white set. Where's the cool black gear? I don't see any in that screen shot. Glad to see the "we're going to keep giving MNK and NIN the same loving look" art design keeps trucking along 
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Oct 15, 2015 19:34
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void ark looks like what the 8man raid should have been, why do we get boring-rear end alex instead of that giger-tastic purpl-- right, we already had a purple raid
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Oct 15, 2015 19:44
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Sarrisan posted:I'm talking about things before my time, but this is basically how the 24-man raids worked before too, right? To give people without the time/inclination to grind esoes and savage the ability to catch-up. If it just gave law- equivalent poo poo then what's the point? Yep, the ilevel for CT gear was i80/i100/i120.
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Oct 15, 2015 19:45
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Saigyouji posted:Yep, the ilevel for CT gear was i80/i100/i120. So void dark lvl 2 will be ilvl 200, haha. Why the gently caress do they have the 24 come out after the eso gear comes out?
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Oct 15, 2015 19:46
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Tenzarin posted:So void dark lvl 2 will be ilvl 200, haha. Why the gently caress do they have the 24 come out after the eso gear comes out? Er, no? Each CT was 10 ilevels lower than the current 8 man raid. There is no way 3.1 Void Ark is not going to be i200 gear.
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Oct 15, 2015 19:47
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Saigyouji posted:Er, no? Each CT was 10 ilevels lower than the current 8 man raid. There is no way 3.1 Void Ark is not going to be i200 gear. seems dumb, hey everyone still playing for eso gear get hosed from japan!
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Oct 15, 2015 19:51
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Tenzarin posted:seems dumb, hey everyone still playing for eso gear get hosed from japan!
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Oct 15, 2015 20:02
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If drop rates are anything like CT then you very likely will still be grinding esos and poo poo. I was doing WoD for a month or 2 almost every day before 3.0 hit for glamours and I never completed the healer set. Considering there will likely be a weekly lockout as well, I imagine the main purpose of it will be to complement eso gear rather than replace it for a lot of people. Personally I'm probably going to dedicate most of it towards alts, with esoes going to my main class (If I can ever decide between DPS and healer that is...).
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Oct 15, 2015 20:26
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Hivac posted:Regardless of which role a person is playing and what I'm playing this is the #1 way to cause me to become irrationally furious and cause my blood pressure to skyrocket Maybe you should relax a bit
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Oct 15, 2015 20:28
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Blockhouse posted:just wanna say that krile turning out to be a lalalfell is funny and kojifox is probably slapping his forehead for that now So that's Krille? I want the hat she has on.. 
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Oct 15, 2015 20:54
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Just adding 100 to 2.0 ilevels doesn't work, since the best gear you could get until 2.2 was i95 weapons and i90 armor. Also ignore_tenzarin.gif
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Oct 15, 2015 21:17
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Tenzarin posted:seems dumb, hey everyone still playing for eso gear get hosed from japan! or you could just get stuff that's pretty and/or for an alt class that you can't deck out in eso and/or to get upgrade items for your sick eso gear and/or stop shitposting
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Oct 15, 2015 21:21
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Tenzarin's OF-grade posting aside, SE had already announced that the 3.1 content will drop gear up to i210: http://www.siliconera.com/2015/09/18/final-fantasy-xivs-patch-3-1-update-to-launch-in-early-november/
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Oct 15, 2015 21:32
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Evil Fluffy posted:Tenzarin's OF-grade posting aside, SE had already announced that the 3.1 content will drop gear up to i210: that's exploration missions, not void fart
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Oct 15, 2015 21:36
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anyone else think Yoshi-P is ridiculously cute and would totally hit on him if you spotted him in the bar?
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Oct 15, 2015 21:52
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Have they said what step on the 2.0 relic you need to be at to be able to skip a step with the new one?
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Oct 15, 2015 21:56
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SirPhoebos posted:Have they said what step on the 2.0 relic you need to be at to be able to skip a step with the new one? I think they said zeta.
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Oct 15, 2015 21:58
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a kitten posted:Hunters were the dragoons (ffxi) of WoW, now it's come back full circle. Except they were fixed (damage wise) in TBC and beyond. FFXI took way longer to change their 2 hour ability from summoning a lovely pet to something more useful.
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Oct 15, 2015 22:01
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Holyshoot posted:Except they were fixed (damage wise) in TBC and beyond. FFXI took way longer to change their 2 hour ability from summoning a lovely pet to something more useful. The FFXI Dragoon stigma really wasn't about the 2Hr though. It was about Dex Rings.
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Oct 15, 2015 22:05
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Evil Fluffy posted:Tenzarin's OF-grade posting aside, SE had already announced that the 3.1 content will drop gear up to i210: Snap son! Giving people the best gear easily will just make the game more of a ghost town.
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Oct 15, 2015 22:07
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Niton posted:The FFXI Dragoon stigma really wasn't about the 2Hr though. It was about Dex Rings. The DRG forums on allakazham were the best thing.
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Oct 15, 2015 22:15
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Niton posted:The FFXI Dragoon stigma really wasn't about the 2Hr though. It was about Dex Rings. explain?
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Oct 15, 2015 22:21
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Niton posted:The FFXI Dragoon stigma really wasn't about the 2Hr though. It was about Dex Rings. It was the multi-hit weaponskill nerf. In FFXI TP was gained mostly by hitting a mob, gaining some amount per hit based on your weapon's swing speed - faster weapons gave less per hit, slower gave more. Weaponskills became available at 100% TP and consumed all of your TP (maximum 300%) to do more damage/effects. Dragoons got the weaponskill Pentathrust, which naturally hit five times, meaning up to 60% TP immediately after using it, and it was this ability to "spam" weapon skills (at the breakneck pace of... maybe once every twelve seconds?) that made DRGs useful. When Dynamis came out, the relic weapon questline started with "relic X" weapons that randomly dropped, that had minimum damage and the slowest possible swing speed. Some clever monk put on a pair of relic knuckles and realized it gave him so much TP per hit that the 8-hit high-level MNK weaponskill Asuran Fists - which couldn't leave the user with more than about 40% TP normally - gave him enough TP to immediately use Asuran Fists again, basically forever, more than making up for the low damage of the weapon. At the time one of the most popular ways to grind was another loving skeleton hole called King Ranperre's Tomb, so monks started flocking to the place with these easy-to-get knuckles and just turbopunching skeletons forever. SE nerfed multihit weaponskills such that every hit after the first only gave 1% TP, and DRGs were caught in the crossfire. Jesus Christ, that was a long time ago... not long after the American release. 2004 or early 2005, maybe. e: had a friend who was a tarutaru monk, they had an amazing asuran fists animation as this nine-year-old video demonstrates World War Mammories fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Oct 15, 2015 |
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Oct 15, 2015 22:26
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Suitaru posted:It was the multi-hit weaponskill nerf. In FFXI TP was gained mostly by hitting a mob, gaining some amount per hit based on your weapon's swing speed - faster weapons gave less per hit, slower gave more. Weaponskills became available at 100% TP and consumed all of your TP (maximum 300%) to do more damage/effects. Dragoons got the weaponskill Pentathrust, which naturally hit five times, meaning up to 60% TP immediately after using it, and it was this ability to "spam" weapon skills (at the breakneck pace of... maybe once every twelve seconds?) that made DRGs useful. No way penta ever gave me back that much tp and everyone avoided dragoons like the plague. Safe to say, it sounds like when I played.
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Oct 15, 2015 22:30
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Idly curious, what do you all think's easier to play at 60 for current encounters, DRG or BLM? I've had DRG at 60 for a while but BLM's only 57 and a bit so I know I'm missing the big game-changers.
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Oct 15, 2015 22:47
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Holyshoot posted:explain? Suitaru's explanation of the origin of Loldrg is completely correct, but (imo) the real enduring Dragoon stigma, the one that gets people to name their character "Lol Drg" or to think that all dragoons are floor-humping trash, has very little to do with the class' actual combat capabilities. FFXI Dragoons were percieved (and honestly, kind of were) as being awful at properly equipping themselves. If you picked up a Dragoon for a party, you had a better-than-even shot of them wearing multiple pieces of gear that were completely unsuitable for their role, or using a food that gave stats they absolutely didn't need. As an advanced job, you had to be level 30 to unlock Dragoon, which meant that - at some point - you were forced to interact with other people to level to 30 to begin with. The "loldrg" stigma is because so many of these players learned absolutely nothing from that experience, and continued to learn nothing during forced interaction. The nerfs that the class ate certainly did not help, but there was never a shortage of fuel to the loldrg fire. Niton fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Oct 15, 2015 |
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Oct 15, 2015 22:52
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Niton posted:Suitaru's explanation of the origin of Loldrg is completely correct, but (imo) the real enduring Dragoon stigma, the one that gets people to name their character "Lol Drg" or to think that all dragoons are floor-humping trash, has very little to do with the class' actual combat capabilities. FFXI Dragoons were percieved (and honestly, kind of were) as being awful at properly equipping themselves. If you picked up a Dragoon for a party, you had a better-than-even shot of them wearing multiple pieces of gear that were completely unsuitable for their role, or using a food that gave stats they absolutely didn't need. There was no way to just "unlock dragoon" too, you have to fight a lvl 50 dragon. So soloing at lvl 30 was out of the question. I talked some jpn player into helping me. Gearing was really strange in ff11 and I think drgs used str. I think the gearing thing was just a ff11 thing, this was the time before gear levels and such. Alot of the cool classes needed a high level player to help them unlock it at 30, it wasnt as easy to talk to some guy in town(but in retrospec, was it any different than getting someone to kill a high lvl mob instead of a cutscene?). These were long quests. Tenzarin fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Oct 15, 2015 |
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Oct 15, 2015 23:09
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Niton posted:Suitaru's explanation of the origin of Loldrg is completely correct, but (imo) the real enduring Dragoon stigma, the one that gets people to name their character "Lol Drg" or to think that all dragoons are floor-humping trash, has very little to do with the class' actual combat capabilities. FFXI Dragoons were percieved (and honestly, kind of were) as being awful at properly equipping themselves. If you picked up a Dragoon for a party, you had a better-than-even shot of them wearing multiple pieces of gear that were completely unsuitable for their role, or using a food that gave stats they absolutely didn't need. Ya I do remember one dragoon in my time playing and he was pretty loving awful. He even knew the class was bad and didn't care. He also played tarutaru making his damage further worse because of how racial stats worked.
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Oct 15, 2015 23:11
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nehezir posted:anyone else think Yoshi-P is ridiculously cute and would totally hit on him if you spotted him in the bar? I really like your av. Alpha owns.
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Oct 15, 2015 23:14
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nehezir posted:anyone else think Yoshi-P is ridiculously cute and would totally hit on him if you spotted him in the bar? id go straight for yoshi-p and i can confirm from meeting him irl that i totally fangirl melted
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Oct 15, 2015 23:43
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 nnnggh why can't i report people like this also i'd suck yoshi-p's dick no lie but then again i am an actual homogay irl
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Oct 16, 2015 00:10
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Kitfox88 posted:
Isn't that more or less right for someone at that level who only picks up jewellry from quests/dungeon drops? Rightside is pretty rare below 50 unless you go out of your way.
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Oct 16, 2015 00:13
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At least he's still wearing tank gear. I had a tank in SV once who was wearing nothing but Disciples of War gear on his left side. As in, he had less than half the defense he was supposed to have. I basically had to spam Benefic 2 non stop to keep him from dying. When I asked him to put on some tank gear he told me that he had read that strength was better than vit so he didn't have any.
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Oct 16, 2015 00:14
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Kitfox88 posted:
Because it'd be stupid to report someone who's most likely new to the game? I mean this game makes no attempt to hide the fact that it's designed from the ground up as Babby's First MMO so I don't really see what the big deal is. It's level 22, it very well could be his first week of playing and he hasn't learned enough to use the MB to gear up.
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Oct 16, 2015 00:16
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you literally get a shield as part of several gladiator class quests in fact they're wearing the heavy iron armor chest/headpiece they probably got from the level 25 quest which also gives you an iron scutum seriously don't get all 'lol ur an elitist' on me, ffxiv is literally my first mmo outside of like 10 minutes of wow and even i was like 'i should probably have equipment in those slots'
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Oct 16, 2015 00:17
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Oh I forgot gladiators are actually supposed to have something in that slot. The jewelry situation isn't really an issue though.
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At first I thought it was just the absence of jewelery. Sure some str right side is nice but pretty meh at level 20. I didn't even notice he didn't have a shield 'till I read the replies  e: basically what cheetah said
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