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Optimus_Rhyme
Apr 15, 2007

are you that mainframe hacker guy?

Usually when people tell me they have nothing to hide i just ask them for their salary. They usually counter with the govt already knows. I just repeat my question, since they have nothing to hide.

Because you might not care if the govt knows how much you make, or how much you owe the hospital or your credit rating, but you don't want your friends and neighbors to know (in this case, our neighbors are China and russia, and they already have your medical information).

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zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Nintendo Kid posted:

Is that an actual real effect or is there simply higher scrutiny on suicides and fewer get ignored after a major one?

How many things get passed off as "natural causes" or "a sudden illness" or "an accident" in normal times that someone actually does a bit of digging to find it's suicide in heightened scrutiny times?

And how many regular suicides of a particular type get ignored by the press in normal times but suddenly seem important at the same rate immediately after Joe Celebrity hangs himself?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1732435/pdf/v057p00238.pdf

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!
Trump threatening to pull out if next GOP debate if demands not met

:getin:

BI NOW GAY LATER
Jan 17, 2008

So people stop asking, the "Bi" in my username is a reference to my love for the two greatest collegiate sports programs in the world, the Virginia Tech Hokies and the Marshall Thundering Herd.

insha'allah

Buckwheat Sings
Feb 9, 2005

Optimus_Rhyme posted:

Usually when people tell me they have nothing to hide i just ask them for their salary. They usually counter with the govt already knows. I just repeat my question, since they have nothing to hide.

Another good one is browser history. It's pretty stupid that people still don't care about spying.

Chelb
Oct 24, 2010

I'm gonna show SA-kun my shitposting!

I just want there to be some resolution. poo poo or get off the pot, Trump. Take over the presidency in an armed coup or make another Celebrity Apprentice or something.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006


I agree with his demands.

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

zoux posted:

I agree with his demands.

I like our 2+ hour endurance competitions.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

He should also demand that everyone polling at less than 10 pct be left out :twisted:

How are u
May 19, 2005

by Azathoth
They're so dead set on opening / closing statements, it's almost as if they have nothing of substance to say other than canned platitudes and sound-bites :ocelot:

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

How are u posted:

They're so dead set on opening / closing statements, it's almost as if they have nothing of substance to say other than canned platitudes and sound-bites :ocelot:

They're pretty standard, probably the only reason they are limiting them is that there's ten of them, so at 2 minutes a piece for opening and closing that's 40 minutes blocked out.

crazy cloud
Nov 7, 2012

by Cyrano4747
Lipstick Apathy

zoux posted:

I agree with his demands.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

Trump could have his own debate at this point. I'm sure Cruz and Carson would show up.

James Garfield
May 5, 2012
Am I a manipulative abuser in real life, or do I just roleplay one on the Internet for fun? You decide!

quote:

Katie Walsh, the RNC’s chief of staff, tried to abruptly cut off the call. Before the call could end, Christian Ferry, a representative for Lindsey Graham, who’s been relegated to undercard debates, chimed in. If any of the top-polling candidates didn’t want to participate in the Colorado debate, Graham would gladly take their place.

lindsey-graham-2016.jpg

Bar Crow
Oct 10, 2012

How are u posted:

They're so dead set on opening / closing statements, it's almost as if they have nothing of substance to say other than canned platitudes and sound-bites :ocelot:

They should just go to commercial during the opening and closing statements.

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!
Carson joins Trump, sends joint letter threatening debate boycott

Well that escalated quickly

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

zen death robot posted:

Are they still going to invite Rand Paul?

If they didn't they'd have to cut Kasich and Christie out as well.

I mean if the debate was happening today.

MC Nietzche
Oct 26, 2004

by exmarx
As demands go his were disappointing. I was really, really hoping before clicking the link that Trump was demanding a higher bar for debate entry.

Gin and Juche
Apr 3, 2008

The Highest Judge of Paradise
Shiki Eiki
YAMAXANADU

Makes sense. You'd want the field to be culled of the minor league so that the media doesn't have a new darling to hoist up.

crazy cloud
Nov 7, 2012

by Cyrano4747
Lipstick Apathy

MC Nietzche posted:

As demands go his were disappointing. I was really, really hoping before clicking the link that Trump was demanding a higher bar for debate entry.

Trump is negotiating and that was the opening bid on the subject, Cruz and Rubio and Carson will agree to join the Trump debate if there is an agreed upon higher bar for poll #'s to get in :twisted:

foobardog
Apr 19, 2007

There, now I can tell when you're posting.

-- A friend :)
Yep, from all this, I'm pretty certain Carson went to Trump and they're working together. Trump hopes Carson keeps the others from gaining ground, eventually gives up, and then becomes VP.

pathetic little tramp
Dec 12, 2005

by Hillary Clinton's assassins
Fallen Rib
Trump: YOU GIVE ME OPENING REMARKS OR I DON'T SHOW, END OF STORY.

Jeb:

quote:

Peter Flaherty, an adviser to Jeb Bush, voiced his position — that the former Florida governor intended to participate in the debate no matter what, but that he’d like there to be opening and closings.

Gee guys, if you think I could be there, that'd be swell and I'd sure like to say something, but I don't have to if you think that's okay.

How is Jeb so so so bad.

Islam is the Lite Rock FM
Jul 27, 2007

by exmarx

zen death robot posted:

Trump/Carson 2016 is a real possibility

Can we have Biden v Carson in debate? Satan, you owe me!

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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It's probably smarter to not play Trump's game actually.

fade5
May 31, 2012

by exmarx
Trump is amazing, this could escalate to insane levels incredibly quickly if it isn't resolved fast.:getin:

pathetic little tramp posted:

Trump: YOU GIVE ME OPENING REMARKS OR I DON'T SHOW, END OF STORY.

Jeb:


Gee guys, if you think I could be there, that'd be swell and I'd sure like to say something, but I don't have to if you think that's okay.

How is Jeb so so so bad.
Low energy as hell.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound

Nintendo Kid posted:

Is that an actual real effect or is there simply higher scrutiny on suicides and fewer get ignored after a major one?

How many things get passed off as "natural causes" or "a sudden illness" or "an accident" in normal times that someone actually does a bit of digging to find it's suicide in heightened scrutiny times?

And how many regular suicides of a particular type get ignored by the press in normal times but suddenly seem important at the same rate immediately after Joe Celebrity hangs himself?

It is a very well documented real effect that has been studied heavily, but I can't link studies right now because I'm on my phone; Google should turn up plenty of data. It extends to type and method of suicide as well as raw numbers -- a celebrity commits suicide via car crash, you will see an uptick in suicide totals and an uptick in suicide by car crash, both.

BI NOW GAY LATER
Jan 17, 2008

So people stop asking, the "Bi" in my username is a reference to my love for the two greatest collegiate sports programs in the world, the Virginia Tech Hokies and the Marshall Thundering Herd.
Was it Fried Chicken who made the post about how to have an objectively moral government that was also tyrannical and corrupt, because i I need it.

DaveWoo
Aug 14, 2004

Fun Shoe

Fojar38 posted:

It's probably smarter to not play Trump's game actually.

Nah, Trump has them by the balls on this one. No Trump, no ratings.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

euphronius posted:

Trump could have his own debate at this point. I'm sure Cruz and Carson would show up.

The RNC is likely terrified of exactly this happening. They'd, at best, be able to tell people who show up that they're being cut out of future RNC debates but that'd backfire horribly for them and they know it. If the debate ran the top 5 it'd be what; Trump, Carson, Fiorina, Rubio, and... Jeb?

You know Trump watched the DNZ debate and saw how it was 90% Clinton/Sanders and wants the RNC debates to be the same instead of the 10 man clusterfucks where nobodies get to take up time he (and Carson and the RNC's current Chosen One(s)) would have instead.

ComradeCosmobot
Dec 4, 2004

USPOL July

DaveWoo posted:

Nah, Trump has them by the balls on this one. No Trump, no ratings.

Media vs. the RNC. Wanna see RNC break their plan to limit debates because the media wants to give in to Trump's demands. :allears:

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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DaveWoo posted:

Nah, Trump has them by the balls on this one. No Trump, no ratings.

I was referring to Jeb not blowing up in Trump-style rage.

pathetic little tramp
Dec 12, 2005

by Hillary Clinton's assassins
Fallen Rib
This is all part of the Trump plan. He's said before he wants the debate to be only the top 5 at most, no Huckabee, Christie, Paul bullshit. He's giving them demands (cannot be more than 2 hours, opening and closing remarks) that they can't meet unless the debate was sans the low-energy morons. They can't change their guidelines to remove people this late in the game, and they're not going to be able to meet the demands.

Trump drops out, Trump starts the narrative that the media is afraid of him with crazy incontrovertible proof that they locked him out of the debate, he skyrockets in the polls.

But more importantly, the ratings for the debate nosedive, the next debate holders know they need Trump, and they revise their rules to demand at least 8% in the polls, leaving the debate to Trump, Carson, Rubio, Cruz... maybe Fiorina hasn't completely imploded by then, but she's probably done.


Evil Fluffy posted:

The RNC is likely terrified of exactly this happening. They'd, at best, be able to tell people who show up that they're being cut out of future RNC debates but that'd backfire horribly for them and they know it. If the debate ran the top 5 it'd be what; Trump, Carson, Fiorina, Rubio, and... Jeb?

Cruz will be above Jeb either by way of Jeb falling or Cruz rising soon enough. Jeb spent 24 million dollars to lose his ratings.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

I dunno if Trump has a plan, he seems to me like the dog that caught the car.

Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!

BI NOW GAY LATER posted:

Was it Fried Chicken who made the post about how to have an objectively moral government that was also tyrannical and corrupt, because i I need it.

The one about how I could rule like Dr Doom and get you to build statues to me? Yeah, though I think it was in September

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

APNewsBreak: US analysts knew Afghan site was hospital

quote:

WASHINGTON (AP) — American special operations analysts were gathering intelligence on an Afghan hospital days before it was destroyed by a U.S. military attack because they believed it was being used by a Pakistani operative to coordinate Taliban activity, The Associated Press has learned.

It's unclear whether commanders who unleashed the AC-130 gunship on the hospital — killing at least 22 patients and hospital staff — were aware that the site was a hospital or knew about the allegations of possible enemy activity. The Pentagon initially said the attack was to protect U.S. troops engaged in a firefight and has since said it was a mistake.

The special operations analysts had assembled a dossier that included maps with the hospital circled, along with indications that intelligence agencies were tracking the location of the Pakistani operative and activity reports based on overhead surveillance, according to a former intelligence official who is familiar with some of the documents describing the site. The intelligence suggested the hospital was being used as a Taliban command and control center and may have housed heavy weapons.

Mistakes were made.

pathetic little tramp
Dec 12, 2005

by Hillary Clinton's assassins
Fallen Rib
So the default is sooner than we thought:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/10/congress-has-19-days-raise-debt-ceiling-all-hell-breaks-loose

quote:

Congress must raise the debt ceiling by November 3 in order to avoid a disastrous government default, the Treasury Department warned House Speaker John Boehner in a letter on Thursday.

Stock up on yeast and white sauce now while you can, but be careful how much of either you eat as they'll make your teeth go grey.

BI NOW GAY LATER
Jan 17, 2008

So people stop asking, the "Bi" in my username is a reference to my love for the two greatest collegiate sports programs in the world, the Virginia Tech Hokies and the Marshall Thundering Herd.

Fried Chicken posted:

The one about how I could rule like Dr Doom and get you to build statues to me? Yeah, though I think it was in September

kk, I am having the same dumb debate about how morality and policy can be exclusive.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3739570&userid=171567&perpage=40&pagenumber=3#post450209438

Mc Do Well
Aug 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

Optimus_Rhyme posted:

Usually when people tell me they have nothing to hide i just ask them for their salary. They usually counter with the govt already knows. I just repeat my question, since they have nothing to hide.

Gotta start legislating paygrades. Minimum wage is a distraction.

Bob Ojeda
Apr 15, 2008

I AM A WHINY LITTLE EMOTIONAL BITCH BABY WITH NO SENSE OF HUMOR

IF YOU SEE ME POSTING REMIND ME TO SHUT THE FUCK UP
I think the GOP establishment would rather go to top 6 candidates than have a top 5 debate with Cruz over Bush. Trump, Carson, Rubio, Fiorina, Bush, and Cruz probably isn't absolute poison to the GOP.

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Fried Chicken
Jan 9, 2011

Don't fry me, I'm no chicken!

I dug it up



My father is a civil engineer. I pass a $2 trillion infrastructure bill with the goal of handing this contracts to my family and friends. It will also result in a massive redistribution to the working class, a sharp drop in unemployment, and put the country in an overwhelming position for future growth and economic dominance due to our now best in the world infrastructure.


I want one party rule of the bureaucracy, since that is where a lot of the real power lies. So I pass a bill doing a complete top down reformation of how the government works, yanking back privatized functions, updating all our systems with a future focused technology policy and an org and reward system focused on fast user satisfaction and transparency; that way I can fire all the party X appointees as "redundant", push their past screwups to justify more firings as "transparency", and make the voters so happy and an easy to access and responsive government they don't let the bastards back in for a decade, kneecapping the oppositions ability to groom and promote new prospects.

Evangelical support is critical to my opponents coalition, and they are mainly motivated by abortion opposition. So I pass a bill for free contraception, free family planning counseling, free prenatal care, comprehensive sex-Ed, a Nordic style "new parent support" giveaway, universals daycare/pre-K, and overhaul the adoption system making it easier for LBGT couples to adopt. Abortion falls to a quarter of its earlier numbers, he can't get out the vote, I cruise to reelection

Don't tell me good policy is grounded in good morals. I could run this country like I'm Doctor Doom and enact policy that would have you all building statues to me.


Edit: and that's what your link went to. Deep

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