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The Vosgian Beast posted:Someone please change the title to "PYF Dark Enlightenment Thinker: My mother has shades of SJW. Specifically, radfem." quote:Has anyone written a worthwhile history of SJ? Nobody knows where it came from – it’s usually either blamed on Tumblr or the Frankfurt School, when it clearly can’t be either, because it was around before Tumblr and the Frankfurt School was not down with mass-culture celebrity-worship. I'm at a complete loss for words here.
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Oct 15, 2015 02:54
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Heresiarch posted:I'm at a complete loss for words here. Surely Moldbug has written long tedious dubious genealogies of this.
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Oct 15, 2015 02:58
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I have never talked with a woman before posted:Because the 8 man basically does not care which of these women he fucks–his expected utility is calculation is about the same for each–he has hosed them all. And because his purely sexual market value will not really even begin to decline until his mid 30s, it makes no sense for him to be commitment-minded until that point. And so, unless he’s looking for much more from his partners than sex (mostly, he isn’t–that’s part of why he’s an 8), he’s banging out dozens or hundreds of women until he’s 35-40, and then and only then grabbing his highest value prospect. "Men are literally just genitals. That's all they are. Huge schlongs in search of ever more vaginas. They possess no qualities beyond their dongs (except for properly masculine ambition at work. gently caress bitches get money!). They are frat boys until they turn 40, when they spontaneously develop emotional needs and seek a long term partner. If every man were attractive, no man would ever experience emotional attachment before 40. All men dream of being unfeeling sex-maximizing machines." Also, where do gay men fit in all this? Dan Savage's partner, Terry, was 27 when he adopted a kid with him. They both wanted a family. Also, no offense to Dan, but Terry is MUCH hotter than he is. Surely, under that reactionary's schema, an attractive, sex-crazed man like Terry would keep churning indiscriminately through partners with zero commitment until he's 40? Curvature of Earth has a new favorite as of 03:11 on Oct 15, 2015 |
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Oct 15, 2015 03:02
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Presumably gay men will constantly seek more and more sex due to the interface of their inherent masculine sex-maximizing functions, producing in time a total gay singularity - a wad of sexual intercourse where the dongs and spurt is so dense, so firmly and throbbingly packed, that an event horizon forms in order to protect the rest of the universe from such unfettered gayness. The Singaylarity, if you will. Lesbians are not worthy of consideration as they are female hew-mons.
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Oct 15, 2015 03:10
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gently caress just that opener is great: quote:One of my favorite genres of garbage journalism is clickbait confessional pieces written by feminist singletons about their own dating lives, sex lives, experiences with “sexual harassment”, vaginas, etc. You know, women poo poo (“shitwriting”). "It's poo poo because it's not aimed at me personally as a target market and I somehow fail to realize this! poo poo poo poo poo poo poo poo!" Heresiarch posted:I'm at a complete loss for words here. Aahahah yeah social justice just sort of materialized out of the aether like some lovecraftian beast from beyond the veil only instead of cultists worshipping it with words from before time it's tumblr.
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Nessus posted:Presumably gay men will constantly seek more and more sex due to the interface of their inherent masculine sex-maximizing functions, producing in time a total gay singularity - a wad of sexual intercourse where the dongs and spurt is so dense, so firmly and throbbingly packed, that an event horizon forms in order to protect the rest of the universe from such unfettered gayness. The Singaylarity, if you will. 
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Oct 15, 2015 03:21
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It's social justice warrior specifically because social justice is the tag Tumblr users post lefty stuff on. That's how small and sad these wannabe brown shirts' world is.
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Oct 15, 2015 03:22
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Count Chocula posted:I don't agree with any NrX political views but like the Futurists I long for an art that glorifies the works of humanity and our inginuity. I was in a poetry workshop that visited a nuclear research facility and I was the only one uplifted by the beautiful machines on display instead of writing horrified Luddite screeds. But I'm sure art that glorifies steel and glass and science already exists; most art does. And I'm sure ' NrX art' will be terrible because nerds have no sense of aesthetics. But i appreciate the idea.
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Woolie Wool posted:Exploring a lifeless planet outside of the habitable zone of the solar system and building a few tiny domes on it to house our delicate meat sacks is exactly the same thing "discovering" a continent with 75 million people on it and killing almost all of them. Stop this horrific pillage of nothing from nobody. I mean trying to live on Mars permanently is indeed pretty dumb, but evil? You're taking it too literally. It's Sci-Fi Leftism, like China Mieville or Phil Sandifer and Jack Graham's discursive Doctor Who reviews or the spontaneous sci-fi/horror stories about Obama and Libertarians that used to appear in LF and GBS. The point for me is the beauty of the language and the strange nature of the ideas. CAOS sounds like something from a Pynchon novel. If NRX has value it's as the same thing for the Right.
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Note: NRX does not, in fact, have any value whatsoever. Except as comedy for us to laugh at because they're idiots.
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Oct 15, 2015 09:24
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Curvature of Earth posted:"Men are literally just genitals. That's all they are. Huge schlongs in search of ever more vaginas. They possess no qualities beyond their dongs (except for properly masculine ambition at work. gently caress bitches get money!). They are frat boys until they turn 40, when they spontaneously develop emotional needs and seek a long term partner. If every man were attractive, no man would ever experience emotional attachment before 40. All men dream of being unfeeling sex-maximizing machines." I like how the MRAs have just co-opted the most radical (or, dare I say it, crazy) positions taken by feminists over the course of history and turned them right around. All men are rapists, so making rape illegal is a direct attack against men.
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Oct 15, 2015 11:12
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Polybius91 posted:I can sympathize. I love technology to the point that I actually feel calm and relaxed from watching assembly lines, but the far right's fetishization of science and machinery, along with the distaste for it from much of the left, is enough to legitimately make me feel uncomfortable with myself for it. It's worth noting that the right doesn't bother to understand what they're fetishizing (which tbf is kind of the definition of fetishes). If you understand why an assembly line is cool, and the problems it's going to introduce then there isn't anything wrong with being entranced by one.
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Oct 15, 2015 14:42
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Polybius91 posted:I can sympathize. I love technology to the point that I actually feel calm and relaxed from watching assembly lines, but the far right's fetishization of science and machinery, along with the distaste for it from much of the left, is enough to legitimately make me feel uncomfortable with myself for it. Well there are also plenty of fascists who believe high technology is effeminate and decadent and we should should be running around as barbarians in the frostbitten Northern woods swinging hard, erect swords around. Count Chocula posted:You're taking it too literally. It's Sci-Fi Leftism, like China Mieville or Phil Sandifer and Jack Graham's discursive Doctor Who reviews or the spontaneous sci-fi/horror stories about Obama and Libertarians that used to appear in LF and GBS. The point for me is the beauty of the language and the strange nature of the ideas. CAOS sounds like something from a Pynchon novel. I didn't see any beauty in it. It was mawkish and histrionic. Woolie Wool has a new favorite as of 14:54 on Oct 15, 2015 |
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Oct 15, 2015 14:49
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Less Wrong is hilariously confused by China Mieville, as they cannot understand how someone can be a sci-fi and fantasy writer, and thus, Good People, and also a Marxist, and thus, Bad People.
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Oct 15, 2015 14:58
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https://twitter.com/ClarkHat/status/587611119201705984 relevant
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Oct 15, 2015 15:00
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I also recall him being used as an example for why giving Vox Day a Hugo was a good idea.
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Oct 15, 2015 15:05
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Count Chocula posted:I like TNI's prose and that article is a nice corrective to the massive Elon Musk fellatio about how he Will settle Mars that I just read: http://waitbutwhy.com/2015/08/how-and-why-spacex-will-colonize-mars.html Futurism is heavily tied up with fascism and many early futurists were straight up Italian fascists.
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Oct 15, 2015 15:33
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Improbable Lobster posted:Futurism is heavily tied up with fascism and many early futurists were straight up Italian fascists. Right up until they went to WWI, where their obsession with ACTION and VIOLENCE and POWER contributed to their dumb asses dying horribly.
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Oct 15, 2015 15:40
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Yeah, it's pretty great when reality confronts you that bluntly with the consequences of your beliefs.
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Oct 15, 2015 16:07
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They had the strength of their convictions, by God, which is more than you can say for their idealogical descendents.
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Oct 15, 2015 16:57
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Someone please change the title to "PYF Dark Enlightenment Thinker: My mother has shades of SJW. Specifically, radfem." my eyes are bleeding. people who read 10,000 history books and none relating to anything they want to pontificate upon. Heresiarch posted:
If I were being generous I'd assume he knows very well that the term "social justice" was coined by a Jesuit in the 1840s and the history since is pretty well documented (tl;dr left wing of Catholicism), and assume he meant the Tumblr version. Which is in fact barely documented outside reactionaries ranting that someone dared call them shitheads. So far this is the best article available and we just started it. I also asked the question here why sociologists haven't written up Tumblr SJW given how rabid they were back in my day. Yet again RW does NRx's research for it, tch! Count Chocula posted:You're taking it too literally. It's Sci-Fi Leftism, like China Mieville or Phil Sandifer and Jack Graham's discursive Doctor Who reviews or the spontaneous sci-fi/horror stories about Obama and Libertarians that used to appear in LF and GBS. The point for me is the beauty of the language and the strange nature of the ideas. CAOS sounds like something from a Pynchon novel. Phil Sandifer's working on something relevant to our interests and I have every expectation it'll be a delight if/when it emerges. (Hi Phil!) Peztopiary posted:It's worth noting that the right doesn't bother to understand what they're fetishizing (which tbf is kind of the definition of fetishes). If you understand why an assembly line is cool, and the problems it's going to introduce then there isn't anything wrong with being entranced by one. I've noted before in this thread that until libertarians coopted the brand several years ago (this was a thing that particular people actually did), transhumanism used to have a lot more technoprogressives in it, who thought the correct use was to advance all of humanity and not just the white male nerds. Of course they were white male nerds themselves, but at least they didn't react in horror to news of other humans existing. divabot has a new favorite as of 17:35 on Oct 15, 2015 |
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Back in the 90s the Internet--or "cyberspace"--was by virtue of its anonymity and vastness and low bar to entry supposed to enable a loss or shifting of identity that would empower and uplift everyone as all users would be freed from the limitations of embodiment. This would supposedly allow total empathy as we might all be free to imagine ourselves to be someone else.
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Oct 15, 2015 18:29
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And in reality we just use it to project what we want with absolutely no filter other than a desire not to say garbage.
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divabot posted:I've noted before in this thread that until libertarians coopted the brand several years ago (this was a thing that particular people actually did), transhumanism used to have a lot more technoprogressives in it, who thought the correct use was to advance all of humanity and not just the white male nerds. Of course they were white male nerds themselves, but at least they didn't react in horror to news of other humans existing. The narrative is that social outcasts create new social spaces full of free speech and imagination, and then Big Mean Farmer Progressivism bulldozes it to build a Gulag Farm. This is kind of the narrative of all internet far-right people, not just NRx though. This is why Voat, 8chan, and the various white supremacist SA spinoffs have been created. Freaks Create, Progs Occupy. The fact that this doesn't fit reality mostly escapes them.
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Annointed posted:And in reality we just use it to project what we want with absolutely no filter other than a desire not to say garbage.
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divabot posted:my eyes are bleeding. people who read 10,000 history books and none relating to anything they want to pontificate upon. Probably because they stick exceedingly clingily to the top down/great man theory of history and therefore most of their books they actually trust either predate organized feminism or come from other reactionaries.
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:most of their books they actually trust either predate organized feminism or come from other reactionaries. On the contrary, you can find plenty of hagiographies of "great men" pumped out by hacks these days. For every conservative stepping down in a cloud of scandal or gently caress-up of a military leader there's a hack willing to spend a couple hundred pages sucking their dicks.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Someone please change the title to "PYF Dark Enlightenment Thinker: My mother has shades of skeleton. Specifically, radfem." http://severnayazemlya.tumblr.com/post/131234271658/bloodandhedonism-the-fact-that-current http://severnayazemlya.tumblr.com/post/131209872123/europe-failed-in-africa-other-places-arguable What a fount of A++ academic discussion NRx tumblr is.
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Oct 15, 2015 21:53
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Merdifex posted:http://severnayazemlya.tumblr.com/post/131234271658/bloodandhedonism-the-fact-that-current I have a low IQ, someone needs to explain to me what rocking awesome meta-level insights I'm missing here.
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Oct 15, 2015 22:41
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That's actually the first real Manifest Destiny argument I've ever seen come out of a persons mouth.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:I have a low IQ, someone needs to explain to me what rocking awesome meta-level insights I'm missing here. Well, European colonialism in Africa was perfectly humane and benevolent, Leopold's Congo didn't exist, there was no Herero genocide, etc. etc. Also, apparently the GOP is communist.
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Poetry must be set to music or else it's degenerate http://ask.fm/a/ag9f7d33 I guess it's a less tired sentiment than rap not being music
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Poetry must be set to music or else it's degenerate http://ask.fm/a/ag9f7d33 If a book's prose incorporates any elements of poetry then it ceases to be a book and becomes bad music. Mercifully he only reads terrible books, so that problem's never come up.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Less Wrong is hilariously confused by China Mieville, as they cannot understand how someone can be a sci-fi and fantasy writer, and thus, Good People, and also a Marxist, and thus, Bad People. I wonder what they think of Jack Vance or Iain Banks.
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Hey, from several pages back, what's the deal with the schizophrenic lizardperson/caveman ranting with heroic fascistic neanderthals being the ideal?
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I wonder what they think of Jack Vance or Iain Banks. I'm pretty sure Vance wasn't a Marxist; I had the impression he was fairly conservative. He signed a statement in support of the Vietnam War, IIRC. I don't think he was as conservative as some of his weirder right-wing fans, including Paul Rhoads, the Editor-in-Chief of the Vance Integral Edition project, made/make him out to be, though. I might actually post some stuff about Paul Rhoads in this thread some time. He's not actually NRx, but neither is most of the stuff discussed in this thread. Silver2195 has a new favorite as of 06:55 on Oct 16, 2015 |
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Less Wrong is hilariously confused by China Mieville, as they cannot understand how someone can be a sci-fi and fantasy writer, and thus, Good People, and also a Marxist, and thus, Bad People. Oh well, here's a different one of him looking insanely loving fine  hi there comrade 
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Would let him clean my kitchen and bathroom.Silver2195 posted:I don't think he was as conservative as some of his weirder right-wing fans, including Paul Rhoads, the Editor-in-Chief of the Vance Integral Edition project, made/make him out to be, though. Vance is nowhere near a socialist, I just had a brainfart. I was actually thinking of Moorcock. Especially after his one-man crusade against A World Called Gor. Pener Kropoopkin has a new favorite as of 10:21 on Oct 16, 2015 |
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