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OwlFancier posted:Seriously though how do you come to the conclusion that you can be completely un-owing to society after having been born into it, going to school in it, being raised by it, going to work in it, living in its buildings, walking in its cities, and having your entire life defined by the contributions of others which you haven't returned in the slightest? A sheltered upbringing and an absurd degree of entitlement.
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OwlFancier posted:Seriously though how do you come to the conclusion that you can be completely un-owing to society after having been born into it, going to school in it, being raised by it, going to work in it, living in its buildings, walking in its cities, and having your entire life defined by the contributions of others which you haven't returned in the slightest? Libertarians have a fetish for contracts. Sure, I got a free public education and use public roads and blah blah blah, but I never signed any contract that makes me liable for taxation or subject to laws, so it would be immoral of you to try to apply those to me. You just did all that stuff out of the goodness of your heart.
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Oct 15, 2015 17:33
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OwlFancier posted:Seriously though how do you come to the conclusion that you can be completely un-owing to society after having been born into it, going to school in it, being raised by it, going to work in it, living in its buildings, walking in its cities, and having your entire life defined by the contributions of others which you haven't returned in the slightest? Because they have anti-social personality disorder or they're just incredibly stupid and/or ignorant. Sometimes both!
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Oct 15, 2015 17:42
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Nolanar posted:Libertarians have a fetish for contracts. Sure, I got a free public education and use public roads and blah blah blah, but I never signed any contract that makes me liable for taxation or subject to laws, so it would be immoral of you to try to apply those to me. You just did all that stuff out of the goodness of your heart. They have a lot in common with rapturites. "Any day now the true ideology will spread over the world like a righteous burning fire and I will be able to stand atop my pinnacle and gloat about how right I was to discount all collective responsibility and obligations to the rest of humanity!"
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Oct 15, 2015 17:44
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Nolanar posted:Libertarians have a fetish for contracts. Sure, I got a free public education and use public roads and blah blah blah, but I never signed any contract that makes me liable for taxation or subject to laws, so it would be immoral of you to try to apply those to me. You just did all that stuff out of the goodness of your heart. So they don't have any concept that by receiving something you are ethically obligated to return something of equal value? Or is it actually really evil to forcibly inflict charity on someone because that ethical obligation is painful on the brain?
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Oct 15, 2015 17:47
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Nolanar posted:Wait, so what if a plantation both had slaves working the land, and was stolen from Native tribes? Who gets the land then? The white people do Hey, JRode? Quick question: Since you've quoted this list in support of your views, it would be fair to say that you agree with the Cato institute's rankings here, yes? And, a follow-up: Can you guess why Nolanar bolded those two specific countries on your list? Because I can. Or, to put it in terms you might comprehend; Two of these things are not like the others, two of these things just doesn't belong.
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Oct 15, 2015 18:13
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Hey, JRode? Quick question: Since you've quoted this list in support of your views, it would be fair to say that you agree with the Cato institute's rankings here, yes? And, a follow-up: Can you guess why Nolanar bolded those two specific countries on your list? Because I can. Or, to put it in terms you might comprehend; Two of these things are not like the others, two of these things just doesn't belong. [/quote] No no, you see the UAE is absolutely really high up there in economic freedom. Did you know that they paid them nearly $4 a day? Amazing. In fact they were so concerned that they might drop something important that they actually confiscated the passports of the foreign workers they brought in to build it so that they wouldn't lose them or leave the country before they earned all the money they could! Isn't that great of them? I mean of course there are the fees that you have to pay when you start working in the country, and there are the dangers of working on a huge building without proper equipment. But these are small prices to pay for FREEDOM!
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Oct 15, 2015 18:26
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I'm sure all the cool kid libertarians are flocking to Mauritius.
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Oct 15, 2015 18:26
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As an Internet Tough Guy, I am terrified that somebody threatened me over the Internet. That is my one weakness, I am now forced to accept how right and not racist HHH is. LEFTISTS AND GAYS TO THE CAMPS! DEPORT ALL NON-WHITES! KEEP AMERICA ARYAN!
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Oct 15, 2015 18:33
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jrodefeld posted:I Are you loving kidding me? Are you seriously saying that Qatar, a country with state sponsored slavery, is more economic free than Sweden? At least the over 1200 migrant workers who have died so far preparing stadiums for the world cup can take solace in that they died in the name of economic freedom.
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Oct 15, 2015 18:40
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Caros posted:No no, you see the UAE is absolutely really high up there in economic freedom. Did you know that they paid them nearly $4 a day? Amazing. In fact they were so concerned that they might drop something important that they actually confiscated the passports of the foreign workers they brought in to build it so that they wouldn't lose them or leave the country before they earned all the money they could! Isn't that great of them? Dammit, Caros! I was counting on the fact that JRod doesn't know poo poo about poo poo to have him defend literal slave-states and you have to go and let the cat out of the bag early! But, yes. I think it's absolutely hilarious that JRod actually pulls out the loving Cato institute of all things as a legitimate source, and then manages to praise the motherfucking United Arab Emirates and Qatar as being closer to Libertarianism. This, JRod, this is why we say your philosophy is morally and ethically bankrupt, by the way: You just held up actual, real-life slave states as being "More Libertarian" and "more economically free" than the United States of America. loving ponder that for a few, moments, JRod. Let that roll around in your skull. You've actually held up countries where slavery is okay as something for the US to aspire to. Jesus loving wept. TLM3101 fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Oct 15, 2015 |
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Oct 15, 2015 18:44
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TLM3101 posted:Dammit, Caros! I was counting on the fact that JRod doesn't know poo poo about poo poo to have him defend literal slave-states and you have to go and let the cat out of the bag early! Sorry. Want me to go back and edit my posts to talk about pies or something? Its not like he's going to read this until 2am anyways.
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Oct 15, 2015 18:49
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Caros posted:Sorry. Want me to go back and edit my posts to talk about pies or something? Its not like he's going to read this until 2am anyways. Naaah. This way we'll get to watch him hilariously backtrack with the quickness. Assuming he doesn't just ignore the fact that he just held up slavery as a shining beacon of economic freedom, I'm expecting an essay that can be boiled down to "Oh, I never said that Qatar and the UAE were more libertarian than the US" anyway. Which doesn't change the fact that that's what he did. And he's actually kind of right! Being able to own people is more economic freedom than there is in the US! You just have to be an utter moral vacuum to consider that a good thing, which JRod clearly does. So, JRod, what's a fair price for a slave these days? And have you ever hosed a watermelon? e: "Property rights are the source of human rights" my entire, flabby arse.
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jrodefeld posted:I promise I am NOT getting into a debate about Hoppe but I will only correct one thing you said. Hoppe doesn't host a conference for "race realists". He runs his own organization called "The Property and Freedom Society" which hosts lots of different speakers, even controversial ones. The vast majority of speakers are run of the mill libertarians, usually right-libertarians and sometimes paleo-conservatives. A couple times that I am aware the infamous Jared Taylor spoke at his conference. That is all there is. This is a far cry from hosting a conference FOR "race realists'. Give me a break! You even conceded in your special thread that he was "probably" a "race realist"! I guess because it's a new thread it never happened? Or have you been away long enough that you've re-built your anti-reality armour? As Caros asked at the time, if he's so into 'controversy', where are the socialist talks there? Where are the communists or anarchists (no, not anarcho-capitalists)? You know mainstream socialist/progressive conferences don't have this problem, right? Like, it's not heard of for white supremacist speakers to speak at such events - and if they do, they're disavowed, not repeatedly invited by the host, then shrugged off like "eh, some of us are bigots, and we appeal to racists and religious fundamentalists to get money to advance the cause. The ends justify the OH WAIT poo poo" P loving S I love how in the last thread you went from "but they never explicitly said they were racist or hate black people so they can't be racist" to now saying "yea the Ron Paul letters were explicitly racist but they couldn't have meant it. Your standard of proof for your heroes being racist is absurd. Ron Paul or some Mises Organisation board member could call a press conference and beat a black kid to death screaming "the impure must be destroyed" and you'd come to the thread saying "God don't you statists understand irony!?" Igiari fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Oct 15, 2015 |
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Oct 15, 2015 19:03
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TLM3101 posted:Naaah. This way we'll get to watch him hilariously backtrack with the quickness. Assuming he doesn't just ignore the fact that he just held up slavery as a shining beacon of economic freedom, I'm expecting an essay that can be boiled down to "Oh, I never said that Qatar and the UAE were more libertarian than the US" anyway. Which doesn't change the fact that that's what he did. And he's actually kind of right! Being able to own people is more economic freedom than there is in the US!
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Oct 15, 2015 19:09
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Mods, please change thread title to "Why Should We Care About Property Rights? Because I will fight you!"
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Caros posted:Mods, please change thread title to "Why Should We Care About Property Rights? Because I will fight you!" i'm willing to toxx for it, because i know he won't ever respond, much like he refuses to respond to your repeated requests to have a one one one debate
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Caros posted:Mods, please change thread title to "Why Should We Care About Property Rights? Because I will fight you!" "Care About Property Rights, Or I'll Non-Aggressively Kick Your rear end!"
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Oct 15, 2015 21:15
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I guess I'm not a prominent enough poster to get an answer as to why shareholders are capable of making collective decisions that don't gently caress over their companies, but not employees. 
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Gravel Gravy posted:Wait so we aren't talking about Triple H? We can, but only to sing HHHis praise. THE STATE HAS THE DUTY TO PREVENT MUD RACES FROM IMMIGRATING! APPOINT A MONARCH, BUT MAKE SURE HE'S NOT A NEGROID! LIBERTARIANS MUST SEND THE GAYS TO THE CAMPS!
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Oct 15, 2015 21:17
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nDrProsek posted:We can, but only to sing HHHis praise. he means the wrestler
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Oct 15, 2015 21:18
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"Respect the Non-Aggression Principle or I'll kick your rear end!" "You wouldn't be so tough without your MEN WITH KEYBOARDS!"
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GunnerJ posted:I guess I'm not a prominent enough poster to get an answer as to why shareholders are capable of making collective decisions that don't gently caress over their companies, but not employees. Libertarians don't like to acknowledge the death of entrepreneurial capitalism, I'm afraid.
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Literally The Worst posted:n Oh, well in that case only if he wrestles by the non-agression principle, and if he's not a negroid.
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Oct 15, 2015 21:23
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Literally The Worst posted:he means the wrestler *Horst Wessel Lied starts playing.* "Bah Gawd, that's Triple H's music!" 
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Caros posted:"Respect the Non-Aggression Principle or I'll kick your rear end!" the funniest part was the implication that i have friends
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Literally The Worst posted:the funniest part was the implication that i have friends Wait... are we not friends? 
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Oct 15, 2015 21:24
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Did (s)he form joinder with you? That's how you know they really care about you.
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DrProsek posted:Did (s)he form joinder with you? That's how you know they really care about you. toot toot i do not create a friendship joinder!
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Literally The Worst posted:toot toot i do not create a friendship joinder! The boat noises at the beginning made me spit up my coffee. You have ruined my keyboard and I will be sending my mongol hordes to collect recompense in due time.
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Literally The Worst posted:n I know nothing of the wrestler, but it's impossible for him to come up with something dumber than Argumentation Ethics.
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jrodefeld posted:Let's get this straight though. I am not obligated to answer every single post on YOUR schedule. I've wasted far more time than I should on these forums. It's like you are unaware that unlike apparently some of you, I actually have a day job, family obligations and other hobbies. If I don't post here every loving week or every month, it doesn't make me a "coward" who had to concede defeat. Says the guy whose years of proselytizing libertarianism across any and every political internet forum is just a Google search away.
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Gravel Gravy posted:Wait so we aren't talking about Triple H? i've been making this joke for months and nobody ever noticed Muscle Tracer posted:paul levesque is a massive loving racist
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iMuscle Tracer posted:i've been making this joke for months and nobody ever noticed i just didn't have a good follow up
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Oct 15, 2015 21:51
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At this point someone needs to step up as The Undertaker because jrod is motionless and ready to be placed six feet under.
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Tesseraction posted:At this point someone needs to step up as The Undertaker because jrod is motionless and ready to be placed six feet under. Is the undertaker a public worker because this is important for the disposition of the body.
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Sorry for being mean. Jrod, have you romanced the watermelon?
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Grognan posted:Sorry for being mean. I really enjoy the watermelon loving because it shows just how humorless and far up his own rear end Jrod is. I mean if you asked any goon they might be confused at first, but after about five or six times? Eventually they'd just roll with it, make a crack and it would go away. But he is so self important that he can't address it, and so the joke just gets progressively more and more ridiculous.
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