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Lady Naga posted:Maybe they should play a different game that actually contributes to their needs since Payday 2 was never really that good for minmaxing to begin with and also if you suck at the game an extra four stability isn't going to fix that. Long guide begs to differ. Min/maxers love this game, and just a general glance around this forum proves it. Everyone knows the damage breaks, etc. and that's not going to stop. But regardless, you're misrepresenting my argument. I'm not saying the game needs to be better for min/maxers. I am saying blatantly making it worse by shoving it behind a pay wall is an rear end in a top hat move. Try to pay attention when we're chatting, it's taxing having to constantly remind you what we're actually talking about. Because, Lady Naga posted:The idea that every game needs to cater to every type of player is patently ridiculous. The gently caress would we do without straw man arguments.
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It's really simple. If you aren't happy with it then let overkill know http://www.overkillsoftware.com/get-in-touch/ If you don't care then don't.
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jivjov posted:But the idea that a promise made has no need to be upheld is...not ridiculous to you. Rathlord posted:The gently caress would we do without straw man arguments.
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jivjov posted:But the idea that a promise made has no need to be upheld is...not ridiculous to you. Oh it's you again, good. I wanted to ask you something. Are you 12? Serious question. Either way, I think https://www.reddit.com is more your speed. You should go there.
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Mr Scumbag posted:Oh it's you again, good. I wanted to ask you something. 25, not that it matters.
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But it is a straw man to say "you are arguing that Overkill must appeal to minmaxers and you are wrong" when that's not my point of contention at all. And if you're about to argue that weren't saying I said that, then please don't quote me- it's misleading. Please, I'm trying to have a useful conversation here but it's like being on a teeter-totter with a dead guy. It feels like I'm doing all the work. Rathlord fucked around with this message at 03:48 on Oct 16, 2015 |
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randombattle posted:It's really simple. Thanks for this link.
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The new market is cool and good. It is highly consistent with capitalist values.
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Rathlord posted:But it is a straw man to say "you are arguing that Overkill must appeal to minmaxers and you are wrong" when that's not my point of contention at all. Please, I'm trying to have a useful conversation here but it's like being on a teeter-totter with a dead guy. It feels like I'm doing all the work. Okay the map of logic goes like this: 1) Minmaxers want to like Payday 2 because it has quantifiable stats 2) Overkill introduced in an update, something that makes it harder for minmaxers to get what they want out of the game however, this is okay because... 3) Overkill never said that minmaxers are a group of players they are balancing the game around, thus the game is not for them and they should not need to have every decision appeal to their specific sensibilities.
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Lady Naga posted:Okay the map of logic goes like this: 1) Multiple employees of Overkill assured and promised the community that Payday 2 would contain no microtransactions 2) Overkill introduced in an update, microtransations. What part of this do you not understand? I don't want to start throwing around the words "fraud" or "false advertising", but that's certainly what this move feels like.
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jivjov posted:1) Multiple employees of Overkill assured and promised the community that Payday 2 would contain no microtransactions This isn't what we are talking about please stick to your niche.
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RandallODim posted:I don't know but hey if I don't post here for 72 hours can I have it you can just have it, PM sent
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Lady Naga posted:Okay the map of logic goes like this: Well let's break this down point by point, shall we? 1) Minmaxers already liked Payday 2 because it has quantifiable stats and is highly conducive to min/maxing due to important damage breaks and other bullshit like pick-up rates that idgaf about because I'm not a minmaxer. 2) Overkill introduced an update to a complete game that alienates a significant portion of their playerbase by locking their preferred method of play (in a released title) behind a pay wall. 3) Overkill should respect their playerbase regardless of how they play. And besides that, we're not even talking about balance here (are you lost?) and my problem is not that this doesn't appeal to their sensibilities. It's that it takes advantage of their sensibilities. See, if no one enjoyed minmaxing in PD2 like you'd have us believe, this wouldn't be a problem- because no one would do it or care. The problem is that tons of people LOVE minmaxing PD2 and Overkill are shamelessly exploiting that fact. Probably shouldn't base your arguments in Australia, they come out upside down to the rest of the world.
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Scott Forstall posted:great work, professional work
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Scott Forstall posted:lol I picked a hell of a random day to check in on this thread after a year away from the game. This thread is great. You are all great. Gotta thank Lady Naga for taking the role of stooge in the last few pages, we couldn't have done it without her. But yah, fantastic thread.
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Rathlord posted:Well let's break this down point by point, shall we? I never said nobody enjoyed minmaxing dummy, I'm saying that the game is not tailored for them and it's okay. It's like when people complained about so and so unlockable weapon broke the balance of 6v6s in TF2, the game is not made with them in mind so it doesn't really matter if a random update doesn't fit their playstyle. Rathlord posted:Gotta thank Lady Naga for taking the role of stooge in the last few pages, we couldn't have done it without her. But yah, fantastic thread. Lady Naga fucked around with this message at 03:57 on Oct 16, 2015 |
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Well, I decided to buy and use a drill: haha not really gently caress you overkill i'd rather throw $2.50 in the loving sewer.
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Rathlord posted:Gotta thank Lady Naga for taking the role of stooge in the last few pages, we couldn't have done it without her. But yah, fantastic thread. A girl, what?! 
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Psion posted:http://gfycat.com/PlaintiveBrightJackal Holy poo poo this is magical. Best update. padijun posted:you can just have it, PM sent 
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Grapplejack posted:A girl, what?! I got Lady right in my name c'mon son!!!!
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Madtrixr posted:Jesus the tantrums people are throwing over weaponskins are ridiculous The problem is not the skins; its the fact that 1) Overkill introduced microtransactions into a game they promised consumers would not have microtransactions, and 2) some of said microtransactions are paid gameplay buffs in a game that is already a paid title.
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My father was killed by microtransactions. He needed a factory new heart and I ran out of money before I unboxed one. Ended up with a bunch of slightly worn ones I could sell on the black market though.
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RandallODim posted:Holy poo poo this is magical. Best update. "wow, they added 75 base ammo to the G3, maybe it won't be poo poo anymore" well, nope, but not for the reason I was expecting, that's for sure!!
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Lady Naga posted:I never said nobody enjoyed minmaxing dummy, I'm saying that the game is not tailored for them and it's okay. Your implication "minmaxers want to like PD2" is that they don't already. And regardless of what the game is tailored towards, the fanbase exists regardless. And again- your argument is absolutely backwards. You're arguing that it's okay for them to gently caress things because people who are "doing it right/the popular way" aren't bothered by it. But in reality, it's because they're exploiting the majority of players who feel minmaxing is fun or worth their time that makes this hosed up. It's not like this is an Early Access title. People bought into the game without expectations (due to cold hard promises from staff) of having to purchase microtransactions to enjoy their play. Lady Naga posted:Yeeee-eesh, and people call me judgemental *tugs on collar, fans self* Can't say it's the first time I've had a lady hot under the collar.
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Madtrixr posted:Jesus the tantrums people are throwing over weaponskins are ridiculous Being reasonably upset over a company brashly lying to their customers constitutes neither tantrums nor anything particularly worthy of ridicule. And now you shall mock me for being upset over "just a video game." It's like I'm prescient or something.
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Rathlord posted:Your implication "minmaxers want to like PD2" is that they don't already. And regardless of what the game is tailored towards, the fanbase exists regardless. And again- your argument is absolutely backwards. You're arguing that it's okay for them to gently caress things because people who are "doing it right/the popular way" aren't bothered by it. But in reality, it's because they're exploiting the majority of players who feel minmaxing is fun or worth their time that makes this hosed up. It's not like this is an Early Access title. People bought into the game without expectations (due to cold hard promises from staff) of having to purchase microtransactions to enjoy their play. Whatever implication I may have communicated with that statement was unintentional and I'm sorry for whatever wires got crossed. Also I was not talking specifically about microtransactions and that's not specifically what was countered, I was saying that it doesn't matter that the microtransactions have stat boosts because those stat boosts mean absolutely nothing except to a tiny fraction of the audience. Rathlord posted:Being reasonably upset over a company brashly lying to their customers constitutes neither tantrums nor anything particularly worthy of ridicule. Like ten to twenty pages of complaining isn't "reasonably upset".
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I don't care about the promises not to introduce microtransactions, I just care that they've added them in the shittiest possible way. Breaking everything to add a stupid-rear end update for expensive, ugly, random lottery skins when their model up to now has been discrete packages of DLC containing bundles of useful things at a reasonable price.
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Lady Naga posted:Also I was not talking specifically about microtransactions and that's not specifically what was countered, I was saying that it doesn't matter that the microtransactions have stat boosts because those stat boosts mean absolutely nothing except to a tiny fraction of the audience. Either you're misinformed and believe that the stat boosts only effect certain players, or you're a goddamn idiot troll who can't seem to wrap her loving head around the fact that blatantly lying to people is a lovely thing to do. Especially when you're trying to make money off of it.
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Rathlord posted:Gotta thank Lady Naga for taking the role of stooge in the last few pages, we couldn't have done it without her. But yah, fantastic thread. That would make you the whiny outraged pissbaby, as long as we're assigning roles. I prefer the kid who emailed Valve over you though, to be honest. I move that he take over crybaby duties in this thread effective immediately.
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jivjov posted:Either you're misinformed and believe that the stat boosts only effect certain players, or you're a goddamn idiot troll who can't seem to wrap her loving head around the fact that blatantly lying to people is a lovely thing to do. Especially when you're trying to make money off of it. I already loving posted how meaningless an extra four accuracy is so shove off with your broken record shtick.
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I had enough from hawking cards and poo poo that I decided to buy a key, and lol. It does a roulette just like CSGO, and then I got an ugly-rear end skin that looks like poo poo ingame.   10/10 would microtransact again
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