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Shorten is a symptom of the disease. Shorten became leader because Labor is spineless, not the other way around. We can argue factional warfare etc but lets face it does Shorten come across as a shrewd political operator exploiting an overrule of Labor behind the scenes? He's an empty suit and a glad hander who got where he is by falling upwards with ambition. Objectively he's less of an idealist than Abbott was because at least Abbott believed in his reprehensible views strong enough to get himself turfed over them and the public hating him.
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Shorten only got in through lovely backroom deals and the way he handled this year's labor conference proved that all he is capable of is twisting a few wrists to get more backroom deals. The Union Commission is actually connecting his former union to false payments and all sorts of weird backroom deal bullshit so now it's plain and clear that Bill Shorten is a man of substance but the substance is self-serving and corrupt.
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# ? Oct 16, 2015 04:37 |
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Who would you rather have a beer / organic fair trade soy latte with, Bill Shorten or literally anyone else in Australia
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# ? Oct 16, 2015 04:44 |
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Negligent posted:Who would you rather have a beer / organic fair trade soy latte with, Bill Shorten or literally anyone else in Australia
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# ? Oct 16, 2015 04:48 |
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Negligent posted:Who would you rather have a beer / organic fair trade soy latte with, Bill Shorten or literally anyone else in Australia I forget, did you actually move to cambodia?
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# ? Oct 16, 2015 04:49 |
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What Bill really needs now is for another mine to collapse. Unfortunately you only get one fortuitous mine collapse in your lifetime (cf. Kerry Packer).
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# ? Oct 16, 2015 05:05 |
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Cleretic posted:Yeah, personally my hope for a new ALP leader isn't a hope that the ALP will magically become Not poo poo (I won't vote for them either way), but that they would now have someone who can actually properly fight against the Liberals. Plibersek for PM.
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# ? Oct 16, 2015 05:12 |
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ScreamingLlama posted:Plibersek for PM. I like Plibersek but she's no stranger to dirty deals herself.
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# ? Oct 16, 2015 05:18 |
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On the topic of factional warfare and union corruptionquote:The militant national construction union and the Maritime Union of Australia have started historic negotiations to form what they say will be the country's most powerful union.
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Lid posted:On the topic of factional warfare and union corruption The MUA desperately need union solidarity with what's happening with maritime worker staffing at the moment, because yeah, they either merge or are utterly utterly hosed, when there are all of 30 Australians employed by vessels in Australian waters.
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# ? Oct 16, 2015 05:46 |
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open24hours posted:I hope Albo and Penny Wong both lose their seats at the next election so people finally give up on the ALP. Nah greens aren't winning booths in Ashfield....albo is in parliament until grayndler goes entirely white through gentrification or the lnp reverses its policy on green preferences. Even then albo has star appeal and pork barrels the electorate like a machine Even the gentrified suburbs albo wins because he's albo. The greens really should be winning booths in Petersham/stanmore etc.
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# ? Oct 16, 2015 06:01 |
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Burn Down Canberra posted:Nah greens aren't winning booths in Ashfield....albo is in parliament until grayndler goes entirely white through gentrification or the lnp reverses its policy on green preferences. Even then albo has star appeal and pork barrels the electorate like a machine Yeah if it were any other Labor hack we'd probably go Green but because it's AlboI can't see it turning any time soon. Probably more likely to have one of the mid north coast/north coast seats or eve the seat of Sydney change first (which has the same problem in Plibarsek).
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# ? Oct 16, 2015 06:07 |
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Solemn Sloth posted:now I want to see the video that brought him to tears too Here it's pretty shithouse tbh
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# ? Oct 16, 2015 06:26 |
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I'm not a political strategist by any stretch but for me the greens have a few issues in beating Albanese. For one he is approachable and a genuinely good local member. Sometimes I vote for him, sometimes I don't depending on how evil labor is at any given moment in time. So its unlikely I'll be voting labor this time for example. The first issue is the greens for whatever reason struggle in the more western suburbs. A hat with labor painted on it will run up a huge vote in suburbs like Ashfield, dulwich hill, etc. That can be fixed with redistribution and gentrification with time but appealing to the type of voter in those areas is mission number 1 if the greens want to win the seat. Secondly albo wins votes even city side because "he's the type of guy you would like to have a beer with". He has very successfully fostered a cult of personality around him. My friends think albo is a legend. He DJ's, he has a beer named after him, he does a guest spot on rage and plays good music. Iirc his pamphlets last election featured him and what he has done over alp logos. I don't think he lost a booth last election. He won all the booths in my suburb (Petersham) and he won the booth in newtown (newtown is mostly Sydney so it being taken away isn't a huge blow to the greens)
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# ? Oct 16, 2015 06:33 |
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hawaiian_robot posted:Here it's pretty shithouse tbh This is the video that forced leadership change in Australia's foremost (non-parliamentary) neo-nazi movement hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha I was a little disappointed that a video named the great Australian potato wasn't just peter dutton
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Jumpingmanjim posted:What Bill really needs now is for another mine to collapse. Unfortunately you only get one fortuitous mine collapse in your lifetime (cf. Kerry Packer). I'm reading David Marr's quarterly essay on Bill. 108 pages of how boring he is. You know how Turnbull was involved in famous litigation as a lawyer? Worked for Packer? Shorten, fresh from his day job being a Young Labor student fuckwit, was interviewed by Julia Gillard, told her he wasn't interested when offered a job and went on to handle important personal injury cases for a different firm of ambulance chasers. One time a plane crashed into some houses, no one died but Shorten went around door to door and convinced seven people to sue anyway. When he was 27 he went around telling people he would be PM. It's going to be deeply satisfying watching him lose the job he's been cynically using people to get to his whole life.
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Burn Down Canberra posted:I'm not a political strategist by any stretch but for me the greens have a few issues in beating Albanese. For one he is approachable and a genuinely good local member. Sometimes I vote for him, sometimes I don't depending on how evil labor is at any given moment in time. So its unlikely I'll be voting labor this time for example. Yeah I agree, it's why I really can't see the Greens ever really beating Albo while he holds office here. I was (rightly) shat on by everyone a couple of years ago for saying I wanted to vote for him over the Greens because he is a good local member and he does SEEM like one of the few good ALP members. I'd love the Greens to dethrone him but realistically it's not happening. What we can do is hopefully make Grayndler a marginal ALP/Greens seat and try and force Labor left like we did over the Newtown campaign at the state election. At the very least we can hope to build support to turn the state seat of Summer Hill Green next election and win another seat on the council, or at least scare the Labor councillors away from constantly making deals with the Liberals.
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# ? Oct 16, 2015 07:08 |
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Bill Shorten signed off on cutting cleaners public holiday rate from $33 to $14 in return for the AWU getting money. He literally does not believe in penalty rates.quote:What aroused Stoljar’s interest was an EBA struck in 2004 that essentially wiped out weekend penalty rates. Shorten admitted that the EBA was registered with the Australian Industrial Relations Commission without declaring those cuts. The gap between the award and the rates paid by Cleanevent widened even further in the 2006 agreement negotiated by Shorten. Under the award, casuals were supposed to be paid $33.67 an hour on public holidays, while the AWU was happy to see Cleanevent pay them $14.24. In the witness box of the Royal Commission, Shorten insisted that in the real world this was what such casual cleaners were paid:
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# ? Oct 16, 2015 07:29 |
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quote:The former head of labour-hire company Unibilt has admitted it made a false record of a political donation fed through the Australian Workers Union to pay for Bill Shorten's research officer in the lead up to the 2007 federal election. Continuing the knives out for Shorten train.
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# ? Oct 16, 2015 07:46 |
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Solemn Sloth posted:This is the video that forced leadership change in Australia's foremost (non-parliamentary) neo-nazi movement hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha It's been a pretty excellent week for the shitstorm after the Bendigo rally. Will see if the Channel 7 report is a stitch-up on them or not, really hoping so :getting: Also, mistakenly switched over to The Drum, who the gently caress keeps giving Rowan Dean work? "The issue is people being signed up to unions without their knowledge, and earning $20 instead of $24!!!! This actually happened!"
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Birdstrike posted:I like Plibersek but she's no stranger to dirty deals herself. At least she has a personality, and a nice one at that. Plus she's not a closet tory, which is a huge plus regardless. edit: we could also benefit from having a second female PM to show Gillard how it's done
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# ? Oct 16, 2015 07:51 |
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Lid posted:Continuing the knives out for Shorten train. With all this corruption and poo poo that's being revealed how the gently caress has he not been arrested? This is actually a serious question.
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hooman posted:With all this corruption and poo poo that's being revealed how the gently caress has he not been arrested? Evidence before Royal Commission's cannot be directly used in criminal prosecutions given their powers are beyond the judicidal powers of evidence, they can make recommendations for prosecution (see: Eddie Obeid) but they are not coercive. The police can be conducting their own parallel investigation and seeing if these admittance amount to criminal activity but like all good mafia dons Shorten is one step removed from it all, apart from politically being a dickhead. EDIT: NEVERMIND - I confused Royal Commissions with ICAC. We need a federal ICAC. Lid fucked around with this message at 07:59 on Oct 16, 2015 |
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Lid posted:Evidence before Royal Commission's cannot be directly used in criminal prosecutions given their powers are beyond the judicidal powers of evidence, they can make recommendations for prosecution (see: Eddie Obeid) but they are not coercive. The police can be conducting their own parallel investigation and seeing if these admittance amount to criminal activity but like all good mafia dons Shorten is one step removed from it all, apart from politically being a dickhead. We really really need a Federal ICAC, dig up all the corrupt loving cockroaches and stomp the poo poo out of them. Lib/Lab will never ever support it because they're entire party is made up of those cockroaches.
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Solemn Sloth posted:This is the video that forced leadership change in Australia's foremost (non-parliamentary) neo-nazi movement hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Oh wait, guess which Aussie Patriot is back - the Great Aussie Patriot! https://www.facebook.com/unitedpatriotsfront/videos/187545951579865/
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2004 nugget from Latham on Shortenquote:Latham was guest of honour at the 2004 annual AWU shindig at Crown Casino and sat on Shorten’s left. Latham was surprised to find the union leader urging him to support the free trade agreement being negotiated by the Howard government: Seems relevant still, what with chafta and everything. Oh and he knew most union members supported Howard's response to Tampa and hence is still in lockstep on boats. So on pretty much every issue that matters shorten is actually a tory fuckbag who will say whatever it takes to win power for himself. Got it. May as well just vote for the actual Tories?
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The Somali refugee who is pregnant as a result of being raped on Nauru and who was brought to Australia last week for a termination is reportedly being forcibly sent back without having had the operation. But Guardian Australia understands a legal injunction is being urgently sought to prevent her removal. The 23-year-old woman, who was raped in July by an unknown assailant, had spent weeks pleading to be transferred to Australia so she could terminate the unwanted pregnancy. She was brought to Australia on Sunday, and moved to Sydney’s Villawood detention centre. But after less than a week in Australia, the Department of Immigration and Border Protection was preparing to send her back to Nauru on Friday, refugee advocates say. The department reportedly said she had declined to proceed with the termination, but advocates and lawyers assisting the woman said she had not had the chance to speak with a counsellor or a doctor. The woman, known as Abyan (not her real name), reportedly refused medical care at a preliminary appointment on Thursday. Abyan has also been suffering further serious health complaints. Traumatised by the rape, and distressed by initial inaction around her situation, she was not eating or drinking, and had reportedly lost more than 10kg. http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/oct/16/somali-refugee-may-be-sent-back-to-nauru-without-abortion
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Speaking of things Bendigo: Freedom Boy was here! And I didn't have a lynch party ready! Bendigo Advertiser, website posted:Mr Wilson’s first stop was Bendigo Senior Secondary College where he told students Australia should foster its culture of tolerance when it came to religious pluralism. Gosh Freedom Boy, those are awfully brave words. Good thing you waited until after that nasty protest! The whole thing has cost council around 150k: Bendigo Weekly posted:Ongoing protest actions and legal objections to a permit granted by the City of Greater Bendigo to allow construction of the city’s first mosque, have cost Bendigo ratepayers more than $150,000, with costs continuing to climb. But the fun isn't over yet: quote:Bendigo could begin welcoming dozens of refugees within months after councillors decided to opt into a federal government resettlement scheme on Wednesday night. The vote wasn't all plain sailing: Bendigo Advertiser, website posted:As promised, Councillor Helen Leach was outspoken and often a sole contrary voice on a wide range of issues. Leach and Chapman are the resident anti-Islam anti-mosque anti-anything. Chapman is particularly mad at Mayor Cox who has finally outmanoeuvred her on her attempts to disrupt Council meetings (this one was protected by security just to get something done). I'm sure there's a Family First agenda going on here, Chapman is rather friendly with them and Leach seems to be of the same mind. And finally... quote:THE Liberal Party hopes to have a candidate for the seat of Bendigo “as soon as practical” as the federal election looms just over 12 months away. Bickley's the guy who spent all that money and got not a sausage in two elections. They seem sure that Bendigo is marginal and surprise surprise the NBN is suddenly going to be started in town mid-2016, what a coincidence. ewe2 fucked around with this message at 09:38 on Oct 16, 2015 |
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hawaiian_robot posted:Oh wait, guess which Aussie Patriot is back - the Great Aussie Patriot! That really didn't take long. He is like the bizzaro FriendlyJordies.
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# ? Oct 16, 2015 09:16 |
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It's interesting imagining a world where Labor didn't roll Rudd. Let's imagine that Labor decided it was better to stay with a PM they didn't like but had good public support. Rumours of disgruntled Labor pollies would have filtered out, probably leading to the 2010 election seeing Rudd re-elected with a much reduced majority. Abbott stays in as leader of the opposition as he did in our reality, leading to the 2013 election where Labor/Rudd is voted out. Rudd resigns after the election loss, Gillard is elected opposition leader. Gillard as opposition leader against Abbott would have been a sight to behold. When Abbott is ditched as PM, Gillard is publicly credited. She keeps up the attacks and leads Labor to a win against Turnbull.
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And another thing... This is a letter to the editor of the Bendigo Weekly which thankfully is online here, but I'll quote it because holy gently caress: Stephen Mooney, Bendigo posted:Views of the rally What a terribly clever bigot you are, Stephen. Just not clever enough to hide your self-serving bigotry and a great example of what Yassir Morsi calls "post-racial compassion" or the belief that one can transcend racism by pretending it's all cultural and therefore inferior.
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Australia secretly flies pregnant refugee out of country before hearing Government uses chartered flight to get Somalian woman, who asked for an abortion after being raped, out of Australia as an injunction application is made http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/oct/16/australia-secretly-flies-pregnant-asylum-seeker-back-to-nauru-before-hearing
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# ? Oct 16, 2015 10:47 |
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Surely at some point a judge has to grow a loving spine and find the immigration minister in contempt of court
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Solemn Sloth posted:Surely at some point a judge has to grow a loving spine and
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Feeling pretty loving radicalised right now
Jonah Galtberg fucked around with this message at 12:05 on Oct 16, 2015 |
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Jonah Galtberg posted:Feeling pretty loving radicalised right now
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Apparently the Federal government is planning to legalise medical cannabis: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-17/federal-government-to-legalise-growing-of-medicinal-cannabis/6862294 I wonder if this is just a way to one up Andrews. Anyway whatever the reason, a good thing.
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