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tumblr.txt posted:Just to pick on one example, suppressors are perfectly legal (and considered polite) in a number of first world countries. Why have the good people of New Zealand or Britain not suffered a huge wave of suppressor equipped criminals? Suppressors are legal here, and probably easier to get. They require licensing and registration and fees and a background check, just like in those other countries.
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Motherfuckin' world leader!!!Tezzor posted:Suppressors are legal here, and probably easier to get. They require licensing and registration and fees and a background check, just like in those other countries. More to the point, treating a safety device like it's a movie-style assassin's tool is asinine. stealie72 fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Oct 16, 2015 |
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I caught a home invader in my room when I was a lad. By the time I'd gotten my mom and told her that there was a stranger in my room, he'd left. I later learned that he'd been apprehended by police, and we kept the back door locked ever since. That's my home invader story thanks for listening.
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Oct 16, 2015 15:29
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stealie72 posted:Yes, a $200 tax, multi-month wait for paperwork, and required chief law enforcement officer signoff and/or forming a legal trust is easier. I'm sorry, a what?
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Oct 16, 2015 15:30
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CommieGIR posted:I'm sorry, a what? The device that makes you far less likely to damage your hearing?
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Oct 16, 2015 15:31
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stealie72 posted:Yes, a $200 tax, multi-month wait for paperwork, and required chief law enforcement officer signoff and/or forming a legal trust is easier. Yes, they might be. I understand that suppressors do not make gunshots near-silent like the movies. Do you understand that they nonetheless make gunshots quieter and harder to determine the location of, and that I don't give a gently caress if you don't want to wear hearing protection while you engage in your pointless optional hobby? Tezzor fucked around with this message at 15:35 on Oct 16, 2015 |
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Oct 16, 2015 15:32
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We should ban mufflers because a noisy car is less likely to hit a pedestrian by mistake, and also worse for criminal getaway cars.
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Oct 16, 2015 15:34
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Ozmiander posted:The device that makes you far less likely to damage your hearing? We have these things called ear guards. tumblr.txt posted:We should ban mufflers because a noisy car is less likely to hit a pedestrian by mistake, and also worse for criminal getaway cars. Right, totally the same thing. Move those goal posts a little more to the left, please.
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Oct 16, 2015 15:36
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tumblr.txt posted:We should ban mufflers because a noisy car is less likely to hit a pedestrian by mistake, and also worse for criminal getaway cars. Considering most instances of firearms actually being shot (where the person does not have hearing protection) are criminal, and most uses of cars are not, we should not do this, OP. Pretty severe error you made here.
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Oct 16, 2015 15:36
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A (fairly crude but better than nothing) suppressor is piss-easy to make - if a criminal actually wanted one, it's impossible to stop them. Another law that targets the innocent.
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Oct 16, 2015 15:36
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Tezzor posted:Considering most instances of firearms actually being shot are criminal, and most uses of cars are not, we should not do this, OP. Pretty severe error you made here. 
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Oct 16, 2015 15:37
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Tezzor posted:Considering most instances of firearms actually being shot are criminal, and most uses of cars are not, we should not do this, OP. Pretty severe error you made here. Even you're not that stupid.
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Oct 16, 2015 15:37
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Come on dude that's not even close to being true, even you have to know that.
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Oct 16, 2015 15:38
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Tezzor posted:Yes, they might be. I understand that suppressors do not make gunshots near-silent like the movies. Do you understand that they nonetheless make gunshots quieter and harder to determine the location of, and that I don't give a gently caress if you don't want to wear hearing protection while you engage in your pointless optional hobby? Also, I'm not sure if you've ever tried to figure out where gunshots are coming from, but even if somebody put a loudener on them, they're hard as hell to pinpoint. Also, also, what exact scenario are you thinking of that you're worrying about it being harder to determine the location of gunshots? Being able to pinpoint return fire during a pitched battle? Because it's sure as poo poo not really helpful for anything else. Tezzor posted:Considering most instances of firearms actually being shot (where the person does not have hearing protection) are criminal, and most uses of cars are not, we should not do this, OP. Pretty severe error you made here.
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Oct 16, 2015 15:40
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tumblr.txt posted:A (fairly crude but better than nothing) suppressor is piss-easy to make - if a criminal actually wanted one, it's impossible to stop them. Another law that targets the innocent. The illegality of homemade suppressors is a factor that discourages their possession by smart (or prepared) criminals, who can have a normal gun but if is caught with a homemade suppressor will be instantly arrested, and dumb or unprepared criminals aren't going to machine-out an air filter like some autistic gun otaku. Stop the moral posturing about your toy access you weeping child.
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Oct 16, 2015 15:44
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Tezzor posted:gun otaku
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Oct 16, 2015 15:45
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*bans suppressors* *98% of shooters now need to wear hearing protection to avoid permanent damage* heh, law-abiding shooters wear hearing protection, only criminals need suppressors 
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Oct 16, 2015 15:48
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various cheeses posted:Come on dude that's not even close to being true, even you have to know that. Of course it's true. Within 10 seconds I added the qualifier that makes it indisputably accurate. I guess you gun dudes really are quick on the draw!!
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Oct 16, 2015 15:48
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Tezzor posted:The illegality of homemade suppressors is a factor that discourages their possession by smart (or prepared) criminals, who can have a normal gun but if is caught with a homemade suppressor will be instantly arrested, and dumb or unprepared criminals aren't going to machine-out an air filter like some autistic gun otaku. Stop the moral posturing about your toy access you weeping child. riiiight, you know felons already can't legally own guns right? Again, I ask where is the crime wave occurring in countries where you can buy suppressors off the shelf?
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Oct 16, 2015 15:50
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Tezzor posted:Of course it's true. Within 10 seconds I added the qualifier that makes it indisputably accurate. I guess you gun dudes really are quick on the draw!! There's lots of future deaf people non-criminally shooting guns without hearing protection as we speak.
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Oct 16, 2015 15:51
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tumblr.txt posted:*bans suppressors* Abloo I won't want to wear (often free) headphones or put in 89 cent earplugs while I make shooty shooty bang bang noise like an 8 year old
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Oct 16, 2015 15:53
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tumblr.txt posted:riiiight, you know felons already can't legally own guns right? Not all people who have committed or plan to commit crimes have criminal records. quote:
Which countries are these?
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Oct 16, 2015 15:54
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stealie72 posted:English is your second language right, because that's not what indisputable means. That's unfortunate, but I'm much more concerned with the more grievous suffering of people who aren't total idiots who didn't entirely bring it upon themselves.
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Oct 16, 2015 15:56
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stealie72 posted:English is your second language right, because that's not what indisputable means. No no no, I still can't get over you painting a suppressor as a safety device. That is some grade A level bullshit.
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Oct 16, 2015 15:57
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Tezzor posted:Not all people who have committed or plan to commit crimes have criminal records. New Zealand to begin with.
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Oct 16, 2015 15:57
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This is like a closeted thing right? Anyone who spends as much time talking about guns actually hates guns. Tezzor is probably better armed than all of TFR
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Oct 16, 2015 15:59
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Just for comparison for the subject here are some facts how silencers are treated in Finland. Silencers are not considered to be "parts of a firearm", that means that anyone can build one, own one and buy or sell one without any restrictions. Just as grips or scopes. There are no special taxes on silencers, of course for everything you buy the 22% VAT is included. Silencers have been found useful in preventing noise-pollution of shooting ranges that are near urban areas. Several studies have been made on subject should silencers be obligatory. One study made by State Department of Labor strongly suggests people to use silencers to prevent damage to their ears. (that state department handles issues of work safety etc.) One result of those studies is that the new assault-rifle of Finnish military is capable of fitting a silencer.
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Oct 16, 2015 15:59
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various cheeses posted:Did you click that link? pretend every letter of this post is a link to a different accidental shooting caused by a pathetic loser finally seeing his chance to be an action hero, which would be tedious but not hard given that you manchildren shoot the wrong people all the loving time
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Oct 16, 2015 16:00
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tumblr.txt posted:New Zealand to begin with. Well, to answer your original question, I would assume they are not contributing to the crime wave because access to firearms in New Zealand is already massively restricted by American standards.
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Oct 16, 2015 16:03
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various cheeses posted:Which one are you going to be? Didn't you say you had guns? you know there are times where crazy people have just shot people out of the blue with no warning if you wait for them to show the gun its too late so shoot every person who looks vaugely crazy who looks at you immediately what, you think that's unreasonable and the response of an idiot child who wants to feel like a big man? look at this link you fool, how would you have acted in that situation 
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Oct 16, 2015 16:05
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No one tell him that suppressors are regulated here because of deer poachers.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_New_Zealandquote:Firearms in New Zealand fall into one of four categories:
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CommieGIR posted:No no no, I still can't get over you painting a suppressor as a safety device. You do understand how hearing loss occurs, right? And that loud, short duration sounds, like gunshots, are bad for your hearing? A suppressor dampens some of that hearing-damaging sound (about 20-30db of the 150-190db of a gunshot),. You still generally need to wear hearing protection, but every bit helps. Hence, safety device. Ohh, wait, except you have absolutely zero concern for the millions of people who own and shoot firearms, so I could see why you think it's not really a safety device, and merely will be used so that criminals can kill people silently with no evidence. My bad.
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Oct 16, 2015 16:06
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Yes, but 1) criminals can still illegally get firearms 2) given easy access to suppressors, there is very little stopping a suppressor being used in a violent crime with said illegal firearm, and yet 3) suppressors don't appear to be contributing to violent crime in a meaningful way.
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Oct 16, 2015 16:10
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stealie72 posted:You do understand how hearing loss occurs, right? And that loud, short duration sounds, like gunshots, are bad for your hearing? So, what you are telling me is that we need to issue all police officers suppressors. For their own safety. And all military members. Because some guys at the range don't want to wear their PPE? Give me a moment, I'm gonna be laughing for a while. Guess we better tell those 'Loud Pipes Saves Lives' Harley guys that they are doing real harm to everyone around them.
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Oct 16, 2015 16:12
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CommieGIR posted:So, what you are telling me is that we need to issue all police officers suppressors. For their own safety. Wouldn't be a terrible idea, although they're a consumable and require maintenance, so that would add considerable cost. And yup, the loud pipes harley guys are going to be deaf too.
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Oct 16, 2015 16:14
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Mandate revolver ownership. Cans don't work with them  
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stealie72 posted:Wouldn't be a terrible idea, although they're a consumable and require maintenance, so that would add considerable cost. Yeah, No. Butch Cassidy posted:Mandate revolver ownership. Cans don't work with them Do you have anything to contribute other than spamming your collection?
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CommieGIR posted:Do you have anything to contribute other than spamming your collection? LOL that you think anything in this thread is a "contribution." All of us are just circle jerking. stealie72 fucked around with this message at 16:18 on Oct 16, 2015 |
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CommieGIR posted:Yeah, Do you have anything to contribute other than smug gently caress you got mine posting? You and tezzor are really quite similar with your complete and utter contempt of any political opposition. Let that sink in for a moment. You are a tezzor.
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