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Kro-Bar posted:CNBC has acquiesced to Trump's demand to limit the next debate to two hours. He can really make the media do anything he wants, can't he? He is, in this regard, the Nega-Clinton.
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Zeroisanumber posted:Stopping SSI payments would be a nasty surprise for the crusty olds who keep pulling the lever for Tea Party assholes because they think it'll hurt other people. Except they're not going to see it that way. The Republicans are already promising to spare everything EXCEPT Obamacare/Planned Parenthood/etc, but those thrice-damned Democrats are still being intransigent even after the GOP has already caved in by agreeing to fund 99% of the government. Their stubborn refusal just for that pithy 1% is proof of their inability to govern, and now it's hurting me personally by affecting my SSI payments, and they must be stopped.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:If the Republicans can't agree, is a Pelosi speakership possible? Does it require plurality or majority? The majority can vote to allow a plurality. But they won't.
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zoux posted:Nah this is a temporary aberration. Long-term political gridlock that leads to a non-functioning government is an inevitability in presidential systems.
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Chalets the Baka posted:Long-term political gridlock that leads to a non-functioning government is an inevitability in presidential systems. So what does that mean? Since that seems to be the situation were entering, are we in for some sort of major rearrangement of our government in the next few years?
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IIRC, there's a list the Speaker submits that describes who assumes the position of acting Speaker in the event the current Speaker resigns, dies, etc. until such time as a new Speaker can be elected. Reports are that Boehner submitted such a list in January. Of course, McCarthy is probably the first name on it...
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Oct 16, 2015 16:38
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zoux posted:We also ignored all contemporary and social context surrounding these past elections. DONALD TRUMP IS UNDER YOUR BED AND HE'S GOING TO BE PRESIDENT. Sure, but it's by no means a slam dunk for Hillary like some posters here think. For as much griping as the far right does, they will fall in line behind the Republican nominee. They've done so before, and when the alternative is allowing Hillary, someone who has been decried as pure evil by their pundits for the past 25 years, to become president, well, the choice is obvious. In contrast, BLM shows that Hillary can't sit on her laurels and expect the Obama coalition to put her in. As their statements regarding endorsement indicate, they are far more willing to stay home if Hillary doesn't show demonstrative concessions to their viewpoint (she hasn't yet) In addition, there's been no sign that Hillary will be able to benefit from Obama's GOTV organization. In fact, as the midterms have shown, it's entirely possible that she will not be given the keys and have to build one from scratch. Meanwhile, you can be sure that Republicans have learned from the failures of Orca and are working hard to make sure it works better next time. Plus, there's always the matter of the sheer amount of dark money Republicans are likely to get by default. Granted, there are a number of huge factors that could shift the election either way (economy going south, terrorist attack, do the Republicans nominate Fiorina, Carson or Trump?), but right now, if the election turns out to be a base election, there are still close to even odds a Republican can win. Democrats still have a little bit of a built-in advantage from the EC map, but it's going to be much closer than D&D thinks, enough so that the 1% of voters who genuinely believe in "gosh time to be fair and give the other team a shot!" could actually tip the election as Ipsos implies.
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Kalman posted:IIRC, there's a list the Speaker submits that describes who assumes the position of acting Speaker in the event the current Speaker resigns, dies, etc. until such time as a new Speaker can be elected. Where are you getting this from?
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Obvious anagram Reince Priebus - "We're cooked if we lose in 2016"
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ComradeCosmobot posted:In addition, there's been no sign that Hillary will be able to benefit from Obama's GOTV organization. In fact, as the midterms have shown, it's entirely possible that she will not be given the keys and have to build one from scratch. Meanwhile, you can be sure that Republicans have learned from the failures of Orca and are working hard to make sure it works better next time. Neither of these things are remotely as assured as you're presenting them. Presidential elections have always been a different ball game compared with midterms, and the GOP is currently set up to favor self interest over the overarching goals of the party. It's just as likely that Orca 2.0 is another handout to some private businesses.
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Meatball posted:So what does that mean? It doesn't mean anything because that's an absurd position.
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Meatball posted:So what does that mean? Since that seems to be the situation were entering, are we in for some sort of major rearrangement of our government in the next few years? God emperor Bernie Sanders God Emperor Donald Trump 
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Meatball posted:So what does that mean? Since that seems to be the situation were entering, are we in for some sort of major rearrangement of our government in the next few years? It's probably not going to change in the sense that the US will start calling itself something else or you'll have a Prime Minister now or something, but the current procedural rules in the legislature are going to have to give or die trying.
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Fried Chicken posted:Obvious anagram Reince Priebus - "We're cooked if we lose in 2016" i hope they are and their pathetic party burns like the whigs of old
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Mr. Nice! posted:There isn't one. Yeah, it was that Martin Shkreli rear end in a top hat who raised the price on a Toxoplasmosis treatment from $13.50 to $750. Bernie told him to suck an egg and refused the donation by donating it to a clinic.
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Luigi Thirty posted:Well I figured that but usually there's something they're willfully misinterpreting or exaggerating beyond belief to get to the level of Facebook image macro. Back in 2013 they cut the number of hot meals produced on fobs from 4 to 2 while drawing down troop and contractor levels. They didn't actually reduce the food available, just sent home the guys throwing chicken nuggets into a warming tray in the middle of the night and loving up cooking eggs in the morning. It's years old. http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/breakfast.asp
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Thump! posted:Yeah, it was that Martin Shkreli rear end in a top hat who raised the price on a Toxoplasmosis treatment from $13.50 to $750. Why didn't he just have the meeting and tell those guys to knock it off?
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zoux posted:It doesn't mean anything because that's an absurd position. It's not an absurd position, this is a basic fact of a system with separation of powers like ours. Presidential systems will eventually face a constitutional crisis as a result of its own design. gradenko_2000 posted:It's probably not going to change in the sense that the US will start calling itself something else or you'll have a Prime Minister now or something, but the current procedural rules in the legislature are going to have to give or die trying. This is true. But if you were to ask just about any political scientist around the world, they will tell you that the best thing to do would be scrap our system and replace it with a parliamentary one. Like these guys: quote:The United States is not about to up and rewrite its constitution to create a parliamentary system. And from Vox, there's this literal doom and gloom piece about it: quote:In a parliamentary system, deadlocks get resolved. A prime minister who lacks the backing of a parliamentary majority is replaced by a new one who has it. If no such majority can be found, a new election is held and the new parliament picks a leader. It can get a little messy for a period of weeks, but there's simply no possibility of a years-long spell in which the legislative and executive branches glare at each other unproductively. I'm not saying the US government is going to collapse tomorrow. But if you think that this never-ending series of battles and gridlock over what should be routine things is anything but the new normal, you've got another thing coming. Lil Miss Clackamas fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Oct 16, 2015 |
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Mr Hootington posted:Why didn't he just have the meeting and tell those guys to knock it off? Because meeting with moneyed interests after a donation is pretty much the exact opposite of what bernie does. He doesn't want anything to do with them and there is absolutely zero good that would come from such a meeting.
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Mr. Nice! posted:Because meeting with moneyed interests after a donation is pretty much the exact opposite of what bernie does. He doesn't want anything to do with them and there is absolutely zero good that would come from such a meeting. Also he already bragged that he could have given more than the $3 million he's raised if he had just talked to him!!
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Mr. Nice! posted:I also read something today that Bernie received a donation from a pharma head in exchange for a meeting with him, and he donated the money to a hospital instead and still refused to meet with the pharma people.  Millenials warming to Sanders, cooling to Clinton quote:Millennials are feeling the Bern, according to the latest results from a national NBC News/SurveyMonkey poll of Democrats out Friday. Yeah yeah, group that doesn't vote, blah blah blah... It'll be interesting to see how the numbers shake up if Bernie continues to stick on Hillary's tail with fundraising. I think that a few months of neck-and-neck fundraising (and, more tellingly, continuing to raise 2-3x as much money as individual GOP candidates) will quell a lot of doubts about his viability as a candidate and bring a few more people around to his camp. Whether or not you want him to be President/think he can do it, you should absolutely want him to look as viable and stick around for as long as possible. Ultimately I'm not so hung up on getting him into the White House, though I'll probably vote for him in the primary. But more than anything, Bernie's surprise success is an opportunity to get actual Leftism back in the Democratic Party platform in a big way. This is why I find the hostility between the Hil/Bern camps here and elsewhere so toxic and perplexing. Like, cool don't vote for him if you think he isn't viable, but comparing his supporters to Paulites and Libertarians and painting this as the second coming of Ralph Nader only works against your interests, especially given how surprisingly large his contingent is. The faster that Democrats get comfortable with the idea of rallying behind actual Leftist candidates (sooner or later, we will be running more of them) and not just dismissing them outright, the faster we get out of this three decade slump to the Right that the GOP's pulled all of American politics into.
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Electric Bugaloo posted:Like, cool don't vote for him if you think he isn't viable, but comparing his supporters to Paulites and Libertarians and painting this as the second coming of Ralph Nader only works against your interests, especially given how surprisingly large his contingent is. The reason why people call his supporters Paulites is because of statements like these.
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Hollismason posted:Where are you getting this from? House Rules. Look at 8(b)(3)(B). Forget where I saw it reported he'd submitted such a list though.
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Electric Bugaloo posted:
uh, hun, I think you're missing where the vitrol is coming from and who it's aimed at.
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computer parts posted:The reason why people call his supporters Paulites is because of statements like these. I think people miss much of his badness because of auto safety that makes AI whine a lot.
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I've seen two things becoming more evident in my facebook feed over the past few weeks: 1) Cruz may have the southern evangelicals locked up, but all the rest love Carson (edit - or at least midwestern ones do. It turns out that everybody is content to just make up quotes and attribute them to him instead of using poo poo he's actually said because lol) 2) Let's not forget about the closet/not-so-closet racists out there who are absolutely feeling emboldened that Obama is leaving, and helping them along on that viewpoint is the RWM machine portraying him as an unpopular candidate who only made things worse despite taking us out of the Bush Years and being about 100x more popular right now than Bush was at year 7. I'm pretty sure they're accounted for in polling as "just going to pull the lever for straight ticket R no matter what" but still
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Mr. Nice! posted:There isn't one. that part is apparently true though. http://www.salon.com/2015/10/16/bernie_sanders_smacks_down_martin_shkreli_rejects_meeting_and_donation_from_hated_drug_ceo/ e: woops missed that this was posted up-page. sorry i think shkreli takes the new prize for most punchable face in america. good grief
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Electric Bugaloo posted:
Yeah, it's the Clinton supporters that need to come to grips with political realities.
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computer parts posted:The reason why people call his supporters Paulites is because of statements like these. What I'm trying to say is that his current support base is proportionally much larger than that of your average fringe candidate, suggesting that his platform has legitimate traction with a significant (and growing, based on demographics) portion of the electorate. For a party whose message and voters have a long history of "well yeah, that would be great in an ideal world, but in this world we've got an election against a Republican to win so shut up" it's important not to smother that. We can have our cake and eat it too. We can have a president Clinton in 2016 and also not salt the earth of American leftism for another decade. BI NOW GAY LATER posted:uh, hun, I think you're missing where the vitrol is coming from and who it's aimed at. That's entirely possible. I don't go into RSF. trilobite terror fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Oct 16, 2015 |
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:uh, hun, I think you're missing where the vitrol is coming from and who it's aimed at. It really is two way, the Sanders people are overly defensive and the continuum people are super condescending.
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Electric Bugaloo posted:What I'm trying to say is that his current support base is proportionally much larger than that of your average fringe candidate, suggesting that his platform has legitimate traction with a significant (and growing, based on demographics) portion of the electorate. Whites in general and white males in particular aren't a growing portion of the electorate, especially for Democrats, but also in general.
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Lessail posted:Hillary supporters are just as bad as Bernie supporters CNN itt
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Lessail posted:Hillary supporters are just as bad as Bernie supporters Hillary supporters tend to have followed politics for more than the last six months though.
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zoux posted:Hillary supporters tend to have followed politics for more than the last six months though. Hmm looks like you're getting too defensive
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TheQat posted:that part is apparently true though. http://www.salon.com/2015/10/16/bernie_sanders_smacks_down_martin_shkreli_rejects_meeting_and_donation_from_hated_drug_ceo/ Then he challenged Bernie to a debate, lol
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Lessail posted:Hillary supporters are just as bad as Bernie supporters they are, but for different reasons 
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greatn posted:The subject of the debate: Should Shkrelli get a life sentence of hard labor, or the guillotine? Can it be hard labor and then guillotine?
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