Who What Now posted:

It amazes me how large a percent of people who are for guns seem to believe that having a gun will allow them to fight off multiple armed attackers, likely by pressing in both thumbsticks (or Ctrl on the PC) to activate their bullet time ability.

various cheeses posted:

That's literally what it can do. It's a force multiplier.

various cheeses posted:

How is that even an argument?

Who What Now posted:

0 x 1000 is still 0, buddy.

various cheeses posted:

What are you even arguing? That it's impossible to resist an attacker without a gun, so it's also impossible to resist with a gun?

stealie72 posted:

I'm going to guess a lot of it is having never actually faced any variety of threat due to a rounded corners world, helicopter parents, coddling during schooling, living someplace with low crime and a functional police force, and being white so you can actually call the police to help you. I could be wrong though.

various cheeses posted:

What are you even arguing? That it's impossible to resist an attacker without a gun, so it's also impossible to resist with a gun?

Who What Now posted:

Please, enlighten me to your personal story of totally owning those criminals who busted into your house all hopped up on PCP looking to kill and rape your entire family.

Who What Now posted:

In many cases, yes. There are, in fact, also cases where going for your gun will get you killed where you might have survived. I'm sorry, but you can daydream about it all you want all day every day, but you aren't going to pull out a gun and fire it faster than a criminal who already has his gun ready and aimed at you is going to put you down. Congratulations, you got yourself killed for no reason, but you got to pretend to be a big manly-man while you did it.

Who What Now posted:

Please, enlighten me to your personal story of totally owning those criminals who busted into your house all hopped up on PCP looking to kill and rape your entire family.


In many cases, yes. There are, in fact, also cases where going for your gun will get you killed where you might have survived. I'm sorry, but you can daydream about it all you want all day every day, but you aren't going to pull out a gun and fire it faster than a criminal who already has his gun ready and aimed at you is going to put you down. Congratulations, you got yourself killed for no reason, but you got to pretend to be a big manly-man while you did it.

gfanikf posted:

stealie72 posted:

poo poo no. I live in a safe neighborhood. Pretty much everyone has guns.

Gravel Gravy posted:

love in iron sight

or

How I met your mother

Who What Now posted:

Correlation is obviously causation, as we all well know.

stealie72 posted:

I think what he was saying is that you should hit an intruder with your keyboard or your controller or something.

I mean, I guess kudos to him for recognizing that it's not as simple as point and shoot. Though the anti-gun side usually thinks it's as easy as point and shoot for criminals, but impossible to actually hit anyone while defending yourself.

Who What Now posted:

In many cases, yes. There are, in fact, also cases where going for your gun will get you killed where you might have survived. I'm sorry, but you can daydream about it all you want all day every day, but you aren't going to pull out a gun and fire it faster than a criminal who already has his gun ready and aimed at you is going to put you down. Congratulations, you got yourself killed for no reason, but you got to pretend to be a big manly-man while you did it.

Ozmiander posted:

Your logic's pretty good.

Who What Now posted:

a blah... *ahem* criminal

various cheeses posted:

Things I have learned in this thread:

Gun owners:

• Are helplessly inept to the point of comedy
  

Who What Now posted:

For your viewing pleasure, I present a pro-gun poster's plan in event of an attacker threatening them:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcxLY9jQuzw

They've practiced this move in their imagination within the safety of their suburban white neighborhoods for years, and they are always ready to bust it out at a moment's notice should a blah... *ahem* criminal break into their house.

Who What Now posted:

How are you only just now learning this? This has been self-evident for decades. gently caress, just look up statistics for self-inflicted accidental injuries.

stealie72 posted:

Why are the anti-gun people so quick to bring up fantasies about killing black men. . .

Ozmiander posted:

poo poo man, if The Boss wanted my poo poo, i'd toss her my keys and lay face down on the floor. Have you SEEN her CQC moves?

Who What Now posted:

I'm not arguing there. MGSV should have been about The Boss.

Who What Now posted:

I'm against anyone pushing for any gun regulation in any form in this country, HTH

Ozmiander posted:

In actual serious talk, i think it's amazing how a large percent of people against guns seem to believe that the best course of action is to simply submit to an aggressor, even if you or your loved ones are facing immediate violence/death/rape/etc.

Flowers For Algeria posted:

Interesting. Why is that then? Is it because in your opinion gun proliferation has made self-protection with guns the only possible way to ensure personal safery?

Ddraig posted:

I've been violently attacked twice in my life, once result in quite serious injuries. Both times having a weapon would not have helped my situation, since surprise surprise people who want to do you harm are a statistical anomaly so small that to take adequate precautions against them would make you a paranoid lunatic afraid to leave your house.

The first time was in a nightclub bathroom. I had my cock out and was pissing when a bunch of men caught me by surprise with a knife. I suppose if I had a gun or a knife I could have predicted that some guy would grab my head and slam it into the wall, or more than likely I would have just stumbled around blindly with my cock out and end up doing sweet gently caress all like what happened anyway. Or maybe they would have taken my gun and shot me. Who knows?

Ozmiander posted:

You not being able to defend yourself means no one else should try. Gotcha.

Flowers For Algeria posted:

Interesting. Why is that then? Is it because in your opinion gun proliferation has made self-protection with guns the only possible way to ensure personal safery?

Who said "submit"? All we've posted is "barricade yourself", or "evacuate if you can". A position that is shared by law enforcement officers and self-defense and security bloggers.

Who What Now posted:

Already answered this.

Who What Now posted:

There are none. Dehumanize yourself and face to bloodshed. Bath in the viscera of the innocent slain. Offer their souls, and yours, to the alter of the gun.

Flowers For Algeria posted:

Is this it?

various cheeses posted:

Not every criminal has a gun, not every crime involves the use of one. A gun is just simply the most effective tool for defense. I'm not arguing it will make you an invincible superman, but if given the chance to defend yourself, there is nothing better to have.

Also not every house has an impenetrable panic room, and not everyone can just jump out a window.

Flowers For Algeria posted:

For a pacified society, reduce the amount of guns in circulation.

Mavric posted:

The amount of time gun owners spend thinking about what if murder scenarios is starting to seem like maybe they are all just a little unstable? Maybe it's the constant fascination with weapons?

Plinkey posted:

Didn't some company try to get away with only the adapter that screws onto the barrel is the 'silencer' part and was basically durable and never needed to be replaced so that the baffles would be cheaper? I vaguely remember something like that but I assume the economies of scale made it not worth it because waiting 6+ months to buy a literal screw adapter is dumb.

Fake edit:

I was thinking of econ-cans and solvent-traps.



Pictured: A part you have to wait 6+ months and pay $200 for the privilege of buying. If your local chief of police lets you.

e: I think that last one was the wrong picture.

You can also buy the same thing on amazon but if you install it without a stamp, it's a felony. Makes perfect sense.

http://www.amazon.com/Threaded-Adapter-Anodized-Aircraft-Aluminum/dp/B00PE0JPFW/ref=pd_bxgy_200_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=0SY4CB9AS9SPD15J4KZT

-Troika- posted:

The gun control people in this thread seem to spend far more time thinking about what if murder scenarios and have far more of a fascination with weapons, judging by what's been posted.

-Troika- posted:

The gun control people in this thread seem to spend far more time thinking about what if murder scenarios and have far more of a fascination with weapons, judging by what's been posted.

Ogmius815 posted:

That's hilarious coming from the people who think their shooty toys are so important as to completely determine votes.

Flowers For Algeria posted:

Reminder for Friday, October 16th 2015 that some 80 people have perished or will perish in the United States of America beause of guns today. There have been a couple shootings on street corners, a bunch of suicides with guns, a few gun-related accidents resulting in death today, and some cops shooting people. A good fraction got killed by people they knew and who had no criminal record. Owning a gun was actually the number 1 cause of death for these people because the injuries that led to most of their deaths were self-inflicted, and some were shot by their own guns.
Reminder as well that an unknown number of guns were stolen today from their legal owners because of improper storage, increasing the amount of illegal guns in circulation. If anyone has an amount, please supply it so I can add it to tomorrow's reminder.

All this to say that the 2nd Amendment in no way precludes intelligent regulation of guns, selective bans, and the registration of gun owners, all of which would contribute to a pacified society and the gradual elimination of this ghastly gun culture.