Tenzarin posted:

Well if you picked a very low intelligence in fo1-2 your conversation choices were quite comical. But that wasnt really a lazy thing, it was a clever thing because you choose to have your character be a dunce.

Tenzarin posted:

Fallout 3
In Fallout 3, there are conversation situations where characters with low Intelligence are granted other dialog options, often relating to their low intellect. However, these options are few and far between, unlike the other Fallout games where one could play the entire game as a person without Intelligence. One instance is in Roosevelt Academy, where if the Lone Wanderer activates Dean Dewey while having an Intelligence below 4, he will deem them a "special needs" child, and escort them to a "proper room."

Merry Magpie posted:

You have described the only low Intelligence check in Fallout 3.

boneration posted:

crime fighting hog posted:

A goon did a playthrough of Fallout 2's low INT run and it was magnificent, including blackouts of rage. I gotta reread it.

E: here it is
http://lparchive.org/author/Breetai

Tenzarin posted:

Well if you picked a very low intelligence in fo1-2 your conversation choices were quite comical. But that wasnt really a lazy thing, it was a clever thing because you choose to have your character be a dunce.



Rest for if people want to actually read some fallout info

Low Intelligence characters
Fallout 1 & 2
When the player character in Fallout and Fallout 2 has less than 4 Intelligence, the biggest change in gameplay is undoubtedly the dialogue. Upon reaching Shady Sands, the villagers take pity on the Vault Dweller, and Aradesh will simply shrug them off. The best they can speak is half-word sentences or gibberish.

The real downside, though, is the nigh impossibility to do about 90% of the side quests. No one will talk to a moron or even give them the time of day (even though it can be seen on the Pip-Boy 2000).

In Fallout 2, the Chosen One may meet Torr, the "town simpleton of Klamath," who would normally give them a quest to under go protection of his brahmin against "the evil bugmen." He will appear highly intelligent as if slightly smarter, and being stupid as a culture and language all its own. Two flat-headed people can have a complete, thought-provoking, and fully articulated conversation between them.

Another person one may have an "intelligent" conversation with in Fallout 2 is AHS-9, who becomes able to understand what the Chosen One tries to say after the alignment, and gives the quest to kill the Shi Emperor.

When talking to Algernon in the basement of New Reno Arms, the Chosen One can start a "childhood cop and robbers" type dialog in which they accidentally shoot and kill him.

A character with a low Intelligence is unable to gamble. When they observe a roulette table or a slot machine, the character will respond to it as a fun toy or an interactive character, respectively. Visiting a craps table will result in a dumb Chosen One commenting to the dealer that they "play craps in pants".

Inverness posted:

I find this a bit silly. Low intelligence should not mean functionally retarded.

In any case, considering how stats work in Fallout 4, it seems likely that a lower number like 3 would be considered "average" for each stat.

crime fighting hog posted:

A goon did a playthrough of Fallout 2's low INT run and it was magnificent, including blackouts of rage. I gotta reread it.

E: here it is
http://lparchive.org/author/Breetai

7c Nickel posted:

Honestly the dumb dialogue is kind of an offensive gimmick looking back at it. I think the developers knew it too since Max Stone, who was supposed to have been dropped on his head on a baby and was thus too dumb to be bothered by leaving the vault, still had an int of 4.

Noyemi K posted:

If your IRL int score is sub-4 I think how game developers represent sub-4 int is literally the very least of your problems.

Magmarashi posted:

Real life doesn't have a 1-10 scale representing your 'stats'.

I can't believe saying that was necessary.

7c Nickel posted:

I don't necessarily want to get too in to it, but the whole thing comes off as nerd chauvinism to me. They like to think that because nerd culture exalts intelligence, that their affiliation means they too are smarter than everyone else. A 1 int character is already mechanically crippled but the developers decided to tack on an extra system just to mock them. Characters with 1 Endurance don't randomly lose turns due to being out of breath. Characters with 1 Agility don't... poo poo can a 1 AGI char even perform most actions? I seem to recall most taking more than 1 pip. Anyway my point is they don't feel the need to tack on another system to the other stats. Intelligence is singled out so that anyone 2 deviations from the norm is now a blubbering caveman who can't speak in complete sentences.

7c Nickel posted:

Honestly the dumb dialogue is kind of an offensive gimmick looking back at it. I think the developers knew it too since Max Stone, who was supposed to have been dropped on his head on a baby and was thus too dumb to be bothered by leaving the vault, still had an int of 4.

Noyemi K posted:

sitchelin posted:

You should see what happens when you visit the Repconn HQ in New Vegas with less than 3 INT.

Magmarashi posted:

You will have to try harder than that at making sure you are clear, there are people in this very thread that would say and believe poo poo like that.

7c Nickel posted:

I don't necessarily want to get too in to it, but the whole thing comes off as nerd chauvinism to me. They like to think that because nerd culture exalts intelligence, that their affiliation means they too are smarter than everyone else. A 1 int character is already mechanically crippled but the developers decided to tack on an extra system just to mock them. Characters with 1 Endurance don't randomly lose turns due to being out of breath. Characters with 1 Agility don't... poo poo can a 1 AGI char even perform most actions? I seem to recall most taking more than 1 pip. Anyway my point is they don't feel the need to tack on another system to the other stats. Intelligence is singled out so that anyone 2 deviations from the norm is now a blubbering caveman who can't speak in complete sentences.

Seashell Salesman posted:

There is already a common objective measurement of intelligence, I don't see how it's such a stretch to just imagine the equivalent IQ score of "4 INT".

7c Nickel posted:

I don't necessarily want to get too in to it, but the whole thing comes off as nerd chauvinism to me. They like to think that because nerd culture exalts intelligence, that their affiliation means they too are smarter than everyone else. A 1 int character is already mechanically crippled but the developers decided to tack on an extra system just to mock them. Characters with 1 Endurance don't randomly lose turns due to being out of breath. Characters with 1 Agility don't... poo poo can a 1 AGI char even perform most actions? I seem to recall most taking more than 1 pip. Anyway my point is they don't feel the need to tack on another system to the other stats. Intelligence is singled out so that anyone 2 deviations from the norm is now a blubbering caveman who can't speak in complete sentences.

Tenzarin posted:

Making a 1 agility character would at most be able to shoot once a turn in f1-2. In f3+ agility basically has no meaning unless you actually want to sneak everywhere.

You really are white knighting this whole 1 int thing, you should not want to play a stupid character why would you drop your stat so low?

Really the low int thing was added as an easter egg, and it shows how detailed they made f1-2 and NV.

ImpAtom posted:

IQ is a real lovely measure of intelligence though?

7c Nickel posted:

I don't necessarily want to get too in to it, but the whole thing comes off as nerd chauvinism to me. They like to think that because nerd culture exalts intelligence, that their affiliation means they too are smarter than everyone else. A 1 int character is already mechanically crippled but the developers decided to tack on an extra system just to mock them. Characters with 1 Endurance don't randomly lose turns due to being out of breath. Characters with 1 Agility don't... poo poo can a 1 AGI char even perform most actions? I seem to recall most taking more than 1 pip. Anyway my point is they don't feel the need to tack on another system to the other stats. Intelligence is singled out so that anyone 2 deviations from the norm is now a blubbering caveman who can't speak in complete sentences.

SunAndSpring posted:

It's a bit crass but at the same time it had some pretty funny lines. Unlike Fallout 3, whose humor just barely clears the low bar of "Adam Sandler film".

7c Nickel posted:

Actually I looked up the AP formula in F1 and I think it's a good example of what I mean. 5 + (AGI/2) means an Agi 10 character is only twice as fast as a Agi 1.

A 3 Int character cannot speak coherent sentences.

A 1 Agi character, THE SLOWEST POSSIBLE HUMAN, can still run half as fast as Usain Bolt.

7c Nickel posted:

All I'm saying is that nerds who masturbate to their imagined intellectual superiority deserve to be stuffed into lockers until the age of 45.

7c Nickel posted:

I don't necessarily want to get too in to it, but the whole thing comes off as nerd chauvinism to me. They like to think that because nerd culture exalts intelligence, that their affiliation means they too are smarter than everyone else. A 1 int character is already mechanically crippled but the developers decided to tack on an extra system just to mock them. Characters with 1 Endurance don't randomly lose turns due to being out of breath. Characters with 1 Agility don't... poo poo can a 1 AGI char even perform most actions? I seem to recall most taking more than 1 pip. Anyway my point is they don't feel the need to tack on another system to the other stats. Intelligence is singled out so that anyone 2 deviations from the norm is now a blubbering caveman who can't speak in complete sentences.

7c Nickel posted:

All I'm saying is that nerds who masturbate to their imagined intellectual superiority deserve to be stuffed into lockers until the age of 45.

7c Nickel posted:

Why should I not want to play a stupid character? After all, maybe I like to play characters as far from myself as possible.