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A Winner is Jew posted:Oh no, the sea of gun hording lunatics will never vote for a Clinton now. I view them more as like a wasps nest that buzz around and sure vote Republican but as long as you leave it alone they'll ignore you, but if you poke it with a stick they rent buses and take out tens of millions in ads and horde more wasp stingers.
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Hodgepodge posted:I only hope that Sandersistas aren't so shallow to think that this isn't a position of power, perhaps moreso at the moment than being President. David Brooks, Known Idiot of the NYT, was on NPR today talking about how this proved Bernie was too weak to win the nomination. He apparently thinks (or wants the listeners to think) that attacking HRC over her  EMAILS is the only leverage he has. It basically just showed he has no understanding of the democratic party.
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i both believe malia played beer pong and salute her for being cool despite her major dorklord of a dad trying to, like, destroy her life with his president bullshit. good on you, first teen.
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Oct 17, 2015 03:53
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Yeah people saying that Bernie should attack Hillary Clinton is so loving dumb. He knows that he probably doesn't have a good chance to get the nomination but if he burns down the stage with her and him on it he's not going to really get any concessions from her. His best shot at making positive change is pushing her to move further left with her policies and then graciously supporting her or even just dropping out of the race.
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Evil Fluffy posted:Don't First Kids usually have secret service assigned to them? Not that I'd be surprised to see the secret service let her go to a party (or want to crash the party too) but either way who gives a poo poo? Like you said, not a huge deal. Her bodyguards would get involved if she were in any actual danger.
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Rygar201 posted:David Brooks, Known Idiot of the NYT, was on NPR today talking about how this proved Bernie was too weak to win the nomination. He apparently thinks (or wants the listeners to think) that attacking HRC over her "Let me, someone who does not understand his own party and why the bullshit I have peddled is ripping it apart, advise one of the front runners of the functional party."
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Oct 17, 2015 04:24
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Grey Fox posted:Secret Service seems to turn a blind eye to underage drinking, if the Bushes (the twins and extended family as well) are any indication. Evil Fluffy posted:Don't First Kids usually have secret service assigned to them? Not that I'd be surprised to see the secret service let her go to a party (or want to crash the party too) but either way who gives a poo poo? I believe that I read somewhere that the secret service goes out of its way to let the president and first lady know that the detail is there to prevent harm from occurring to the kids, not to be their parents. Narcing would increase the chances of the kids trying to give the Secret Service detail the slip which is something you really don't want to encourage in any way.
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Shifty Pony posted:I believe that I read somewhere that the secret service goes out of its way to let the president and first lady know that the detail is there to prevent harm from occurring to the kids, not to be their parents. Narcing would increase the chances of the kids trying to give the Secret Service detail the slip which is something you really don't want to encourage in any way. I saw this in the documentary series The West Wing, so it checks out.
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^^^ Multiple sources. ConfirmedShifty Pony posted:I believe that I read somewhere that the secret service goes out of its way to let the president and first lady know that the detail is there to prevent harm from occurring to the kids, not to be their parents. Narcing would increase the chances of the kids trying to give the Secret Service detail the slip which is something you really don't want to encourage in any way. Makes sense, I've seen First Kid.
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I unironically really like Donald Trump today:quote:@realDonaldTrump: No @JebBush, you’re pathetic for saying nothing happened during your brother’s term when the World Trade Center was attacked and came down.
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Mr Interweb posted:I unironically really like Donald Trump today: He's speaking the truth.
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Mr Interweb posted:I unironically really like Donald Trump and will until such a time as he becomes an actual white house threat.
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greatn posted:I view them more as like a wasps nest that buzz around and sure vote Republican but as long as you leave it alone they'll ignore you, but if you poke it with a stick they rent buses and take out tens of millions in ads and horde more wasp stingers. Only the NRA has been beating the poo poo out of that nest since the 90s.
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Mr Interweb posted:I unironically really like Donald Trump today: If he can just bait Bush into saying "yeah but he kept us safe after that", that would be pretty damaging to Bush.
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Oct 17, 2015 04:50
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Mitt Romney posted:If he can just bait Bush into saying "yeah but he kept us safe after that", that would be pretty damaging to Bush. Does he really need to at this point? I feel like it might be more lucrative to try and go after Rubio.
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Rollofthedice posted:Does he really need to at this point? I feel like it might be more lucrative to try and go after Rubio. Someone being down hasn't ever stopped Trump from going for the balls before, I doubt it will now either.
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Mr Interweb posted:I unironically really like Donald Trump today: I love how he is the first Republican I've ever heard say "Wait you know what, that poo poo happened on his watch why isn't he getting blame for letting it happen in the first place?" and it's really surreal because I can't think of a single Democrat that's ever brought that up. Is anyone even challenging Trump on that within the GOP?
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On Terra Firma posted:I love how he is the first Republican I've ever heard say "Wait you know what, that poo poo happened on his watch why isn't he getting blame for letting it happen in the first place?" and it's really surreal because I can't think of a single Democrat that's ever brought that up. Is anyone even challenging Trump on that within the GOP? Having a Republican point out that Bush didn't keep us safe on 9/11 works a lot better for the Democrats than having a Dem do it. It's kind of like the situation with McCarthy's mistake on the Benghazi committee: the media will report cross-party finger-pointing as partisan bickering, even if one side is objectively correct; but if Trump's saying it about his own party, it can be reported as the truth.
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Oct 17, 2015 05:29
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Mitt Romney posted:If he can just bait Bush into saying "yeah but he kept us safe after that", that would be pretty damaging to Bush. Funny you should mention that... 
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It would be magical if this is the instance of reality creeping in that damns the bush family to the history books where they will never be politically relevant again. But probably just wishful thinking on my part.
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HisMajestyBOB posted:Funny you should mention that... Has Trump had anything backfire where he took a hit to his polling numbers or...anything so far? He's so good at this it's scary.
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HisMajestyBOB posted:Funny you should mention that... I seem to recall anthrax scares and attacks, a series of sniper attacks, multiple attacks on US embassies and thousands of dead US citizens in foreign wars. But maybe I was just having a stroke for 8 years...
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Oct 17, 2015 06:34
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My favorite was when we went to war because of photoshop.
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KiteAuraan posted:I seem to recall anthrax scares and attacks, a series of sniper attacks, multiple attacks on US embassies and thousands of dead US citizens in foreign wars. But maybe I was just having a stroke for 8 years...
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Oct 17, 2015 06:44
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A "Bush Caused 9/11" narrative would be an early Christmas.
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How long until Trump brings up the "Al Qaeda determined to strike in US" memo that Dubya took no action over? This election cycle is just the gift that keeps on giving.
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Zeno-25 posted:How long until Trump brings up the "Al Qaeda determined to strike in US" memo that Dubya took no action over? If he does that this election cycle will get so loving surreal.
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Crossposting this from the finance policy thread because Robert Reich owns and everyone should read his new book. I finished Robert Reich's new book tonight, Saving Capitalism. Basically, the thesis of the thing is that a "free market" still needs a government to set up and enforce the rules of said market (bankruptcy, contracts, property ownership, etc.), so instead of increasing the size of government, we need to change these rules so they work for the middle class/worker class. It's broken up into three parts, the first talking about the building blocks of Capitalism: Property, Monopoly, Contract, Bankruptcy, and Enforcement, and how these rules have been manipulated by the monied elites in America to further work to their advantage. This is where you get talk about the decrease in unions, how bankruptcy law massively favors corporations and the wealthy by not having student loans go away after a bankruptcy, the incredibly weakening of antitrust laws, abuse of copyright laws, and all of the changes over the last 30 or so years that have favored the big banks, wall street, corporations, and the wealthy in general. The second part talks about the myth of people being "worth what their paid", which is only true as a tautology, and how the idea of a meritocracy is flawed. It talks about CEO pay vs. median pay, compensation in ways other than a salary, and more about union busting. The third part, then, is where he gets to the meat of the book: the policy we should enact. He's in favor of a basic minimum income, especially as more jobs end up destroyed or automated, as well as a lot of the Bernie Sanders Plan; he wants to re-enact Glass-Steagal, massively overhaul the copyright/patent system with strict limits to have innovation and invention benefit the general public more quickly, overturn Citizens United and McCutcheon and put some bones back in campaign law. In other words, your basic progressive plan for America. It's a good book, and it's well worth reading, not for any new ideas, but for a slightly different way of looking at them, as well as another thing you can hit your friends over the head with (literally or metaphorically) if they're being dumb.
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The fact that Jeb Bush's political career has been burned to the ground by Donald loving Trump is just astounding. This is after he torpedoed Scott Walker out of the race. This election is the gift that keeps on giving. So is the establishment just forced to push Rubio at this point? (Please Trump, burn him down too.)
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At this point I'm convinced that his plan once elected is to go full socialist, only with full congressional support after making the lemmings fear him more than the Kochs His only real consistent game plan so far seems to be to destroy all Republicans
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HisMajestyBOB posted:Funny you should mention that... I don't know, Bush was re-elected after all
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quote:SAN ANTONIO (AP) — A federal judge has chosen for now not to force Texas health officials to change their stance in denying birth certificates to immigrant families with U.S- born children, saying that the families raised "grave concerns" but more evidence is needed, according to a ruling issued Friday. http://bigstory.ap.org/article/994316a1f3c84dc284a3e92c50067652/injunction-get-birth-certificates-us-born-kids-denied The article reads weirdly since he never really states what evidence he feels is missing other than the state agency's intent. I can't figure out if he's punting to another court, or trying to appear sympathetic while blocking these kids from obtaining a legal birth certificate.
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the_paradigm_shift posted:http://bigstory.ap.org/article/994316a1f3c84dc284a3e92c50067652/injunction-get-birth-certificates-us-born-kids-denied Going to go with that last option. Nobody puts in that much gymnastics unless they're trying to justify something barely if at all justifiable.
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the_paradigm_shift posted:http://bigstory.ap.org/article/994316a1f3c84dc284a3e92c50067652/injunction-get-birth-certificates-us-born-kids-denied Emergency injunctions have different standards. The case is continuing they just didn't get an emergency injunction. Plaintiffs can still win.
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euphronius posted:Emergency injunctions have different standards. That makes sense, thank you. So the judge was saying he felt he didn't have enough evidence that this rule was causing imminent danger to those affected?
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I feel like Texas officials consigning newborns to Statelessness warrants injunction, but IANAL.
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On Terra Firma posted:I love how he is the first Republican I've ever heard say "Wait you know what, that poo poo happened on his watch why isn't he getting blame for letting it happen in the first place?" and it's really surreal because I can't think of a single Democrat that's ever brought that up. Only Nixon can go to China.
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computer parts posted:Only Nixon can go to China. I wanted to make an only Obama can go to Cuba joke, but apparently only Carter can (back in 2011).
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