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Spiritus Nox posted:Thanks. Like I said, it sucks that I didn't get this one after getting so deep in and getting my hopes up a bit, but hopefully that I got so deep is evidence that my fundamentals are strong enough to get me something sooner than later, so I'm trying to stay optimistic. It's hard not to as a newbie, but try to not get too wrapped up with individual applications. I've gotten rejected from countless "dream jobs" and I always found something else I liked just as well if not better. It's OK to be disappointed but just remember that there's a lot of stuff out there that will be a good fit, you just need to do the drudgery of finding it.
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HondaCivet posted:It's hard not to as a newbie, but try to not get too wrapped up with individual applications. I've gotten rejected from countless "dream jobs" and I always found something else I liked just as well if not better. It's OK to be disappointed but just remember that there's a lot of stuff out there that will be a good fit, you just need to do the drudgery of finding it. Indeed. And this wasn't even a 'dream job' or anything - I wasn't excited for it for anything special about the job itself (I mean, it looked like it paid well and wasn't an awful work environment but nothing that blew me away) ,it was just that I was getting good vibes and thought I was getting really close to snagging one. Like I said, hopefully that's a good omen for the future.
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Oct 14, 2015 22:13
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HondaCivet posted:It's hard not to as a newbie, but try to not get too wrapped up with individual applications. I've gotten rejected from countless "dream jobs" and I always found something else I liked just as well if not better. It's OK to be disappointed but just remember that there's a lot of stuff out there that will be a good fit, you just need to do the drudgery of finding it. So about how many resumes should a newly minted CS degree expect to send before ending up with a job these days? Just wondering how much drudgery is involved.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:So about how many resumes should a newly minted CS degree expect to send before ending up with a job these days? Just wondering how much drudgery is involved. I'm just one data point and I don't actually have a job yet, but I've been out of college for almost exactly 2 months, though I've been seriously job hunting since Spring. Can't say exactly how many resumes I've sent out.
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Oct 14, 2015 22:22
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ToxicSlurpee posted:So about how many resumes should a newly minted CS degree expect to send before ending up with a job these days? Just wondering how much drudgery is involved. Somewhere between 1 and ∞
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Oct 14, 2015 22:34
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Spiritus Nox posted:I'm just one data point and I don't actually have a job yet, but I've been out of college for almost exactly 2 months, though I've been seriously job hunting since Spring. Can't say exactly how many resumes I've sent out. Stuff takes time. Learn from every interview and just keep plugging away. Also you can potentially look into internships because you standout if you're already working.
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Ithaqua posted:Somewhere between 1 and ∞ 0 and ∞ to account for the occasional nepotism 
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Oct 15, 2015 14:30
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Last minute question (meeting in one hour) I just completed my first year at work and received an email from my boss. He wants to discuss compensation, but I'm not sure what to say. I was already planning on applying for a new position internally or going to another company as I feel my compensation is at least $25K too low (I work in Manhattan for a multibillion conglomerate). If he suggests 5% or something I will take it, but it feels like a waste of a unique opportunity to discuss my ambition with him. Or maybe I should just shut up and wait for my original timeline (3 months from now)
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Oct 15, 2015 15:40
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Analytic Engine posted:Last minute question (meeting in one hour) I wouldn't talk about leaving the company but being interested in another position internally doesn't seem like an issue to me?
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Oct 15, 2015 15:44
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Analytic Engine posted:Last minute question (meeting in one hour) If he's bringing compensation up unprompted I'm gonna guess that's a good sign. If it's a frank convo I'd be upfront with your expectations but don't mention leaving the company.
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Oct 15, 2015 15:59
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ToxicSlurpee posted:So about how many resumes should a newly minted CS degree expect to send before ending up with a job these days? Just wondering how much drudgery is involved. it can be anywhere from 1 to several dozen. you can get lucky when the first company you apply to hires you, but mostly it will happen after you have applied for several dozen jobs. more often than not, the company you were not aiming for will respond back to you first, rather than your dream job. expect it to take anywhere from 2-5 months. 5 months being a worst case scenario.
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Oct 15, 2015 16:44
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ToxicSlurpee posted:So about how many resumes should a newly minted CS degree expect to send before ending up with a job these days? Just wondering how much drudgery is involved. I recall applying to four or five locations, got interviews with three and had a callback from a fourth. I had two offers in the end but only seriously considered the one I took. I think the process took me a month. I would consider myself a good but not great candidate. There was another job I later found out that I wish I had applied for but felt I wasn't experienced enough. I think the take away is apply for anything and everything since you don't really know a place until you go for an interview and the worst case is you walk away with more interview practice under your belt.
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Oct 15, 2015 16:47
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ToxicSlurpee posted:So about how many resumes should a newly minted CS degree expect to send before ending up with a job these days? Just wondering how much drudgery is involved. Depending on how you count, it took me either five or negative one to get my first job. During spring break of my senior year, I was sending out resumes from the library at Penn State where I was visiting my then-girlfriend-now-wife when I got cold-called from a place I'd never heard of based on them finding an outdated resume of mine at my alma mater's "job link" database, which they were trawling through looking for programmers because they'd had good luck hiring mechanical and electrical engineers from my school in the past. They wound up being the best offer I got and the only one that let me stay on the east coast. So the moral of the story is to upload your resume to your school's job fair thingamabobber, I guess.
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Oct 15, 2015 17:07
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Do I have to wear a suit while uploading it?
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Oct 15, 2015 17:13
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I was wearing shorts, your mileage may vary.
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Oct 15, 2015 17:15
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I've really just be spamming resumes to anything I'm even remotely qualified for. I don't have a dream job in mind and to be honest am not really all that picky. I do, however, often send resumes at midnight when I'm mildly drunk and probably filthy with clay-related crap. Is that my problem? 
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Thanks for the advice guys. It didn't come down to anything big because we were on the same page anyway. I'll bring up the position change later after I have more data.
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So I'm finally taking the plunge. Got an offer for a Java dev position, based off of experience writing a game engine in the language (it's my strongest language by far as a result.) No related degrees or work experience otherwise. Chalk it up to the area I moved to (DC metro). I'm just a little worried that the job is gonna feel like a dead end. It's upgrading a piece of software from 2004 based on IBM WebSphere, and the owner of the company (it's like 10-11 people) has this piece of software that takes some sort of OO markup and spews out C# and Java classes and tests, which is used for a bunch of code generation I guess. I hope I'm not spending most of my time wrapping my head around their methods and a super-dated web framework. Either way it's something for my resume and I'd only feel morally obligated to stick around through release in 6 months if I hated it. Who knows, I might love it. Flexible hours, good holiday / PTO, not having to wear a tucked in dress shirt and slacks every day. We'll see.
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Oct 15, 2015 17:37
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androo posted:I hope I'm not spending most of my time wrapping my head around their methods and a super-dated web framework. lol I've got bad news for you. Welcome to tech, kid. Anyways you should expect your first job or two to be garbage. Just use it to do a good job and gain field experience. Pay attention to things that you like and don't like, and why that is. When you hop jobs you'll be able to work towards what you want to do while minimizing the bullshit you can't stand. You might be one of the lucky ones who nails it first try but don't get your hopes up.
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androo posted:So I'm finally taking the plunge. Got an offer for a Java dev position, based off of experience writing a game engine in the language (it's my strongest language by far as a result.) No related degrees or work experience otherwise. Chalk it up to the area I moved to (DC metro). WebSphere will make you want to kick yourself in the dick.
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Blinkz0rz posted:WebSphere will make you want to kick yourself in the dick. Yep. I've been playing with Rails a lot more on the side lately and can finally spin up a decent site in minimal time. I'm sure a framework as archaic as Websphere is gonna drive me nuts. (Then again, Rails makes me want to kick myself in the dick pretty often too.)
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I just had a phone screen with a guy who worked at Microsoft for 17 years. Just, dang. How???
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HondaCivet posted:I just had a phone screen with a guy who worked at Microsoft for 17 years. Just, dang. How??? If you get yourself in a niche you enjoy -- and are willing to play the politics game to ensure that said niche exists long-term -- you can putter along for a long time there. I have acquaintances at MS who are pushing (or have broken) the 30 year mark. (Also, generally speaking, if you last more than 10 years, you are generally going to be Partner, which implies that you're getting the mother of all golden handcuffs in stock.)
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ullerrm posted:If you get yourself in a niche you enjoy -- and are willing to play the politics game to ensure that said niche exists long-term -- you can putter along for a long time there. I have acquaintances at MS who are pushing (or have broken) the 30 year mark. Dang. There's a guy in my high school class that got an internship there in college and ended up working there after school and has been there since, so for like 10+ years. It's the only job he's ever had. It's just hard for me to wrap my head around since I've changed jobs quite a bit. A more relevant question . . . Do you folks usually send followup emails/notes after phone screens? Will I look disinterested if I wait for them to get back to me instead? I just figure that if I have to bug them to get back to me they aren't that interested so why bother.
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HondaCivet posted:A more relevant question . . . Do you folks usually send followup emails/notes after phone screens? Will I look disinterested if I wait for them to get back to me instead? I just figure that if I have to bug them to get back to me they aren't that interested so why bother. It can't hurt but anyone who is going to decide based solely on this is probably a little off-kilter. HondaCivet posted:I just had a phone screen with a guy who worked at Microsoft for 17 years. Just, dang. How??? Haven't all the famous guys (like, say, Raymond Chen, Eric Lippert, although he left eventually, etc.) been there forever?
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RICHUNCLEPENNYBAGS posted:It can't hurt but anyone who is going to decide based solely on this is probably a little off-kilter. Yeah. S. Somasegar just left after 27 years. And Anders Hejlsberg has been there for around 20.
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Oct 17, 2015 00:26
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HondaCivet posted:I just had a phone screen with a guy who worked at Microsoft for 17 years. Just, dang. How??? If you don't have a reason to leave, why would you?
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I figure somebody that's been at a company like Microsoft that long is probably both competent and of the realization that they're set for life. This isn't some startup that might evaporate next week.
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With the amount you can make there and for being such a large company I can't imagine there isn't a way to always be happy there, especially if you've been there for a while to build up some clout.
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HondaCivet posted:A more relevant question . . . Do you folks usually send followup emails/notes after phone screens? Will I look disinterested if I wait for them to get back to me instead? I just figure that if I have to bug them to get back to me they aren't that interested so why bother. I do if I'm actually interested in the position. I mean, there's never going to be a situation where you get "well, X has all of our qualifications in spades, but Y sent us a thank you note, so..." but if the company is choosing between candidates who are equally
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Tao Jones posted:I do if I'm actually interested in the position. I mean, there's never going to be a situation where you get "well, X has all of our qualifications in spades, but Y sent us a thank you note, so..." but if the company is choosing between candidates who are equally Yeah true. Is there an acceptable time frame for that? I had a phone screen on Monday that I thought went well but I totally blanked on sending a note. Would I look like a dingus sending one now? I'm not sure it's even worth it now I guess, he said he'd try to get back to me by the end of the week to schedule an interview and he didn't so . . .
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HondaCivet posted:Yeah true. Is there an acceptable time frame for that? I had a phone screen on Monday that I thought went well but I totally blanked on sending a note. Would I look like a dingus sending one now? I'm not sure it's even worth it now I guess, he said he'd try to get back to me by the end of the week to schedule an interview and he didn't so . . . Dude. Stop thinking so hard about it. If you want to send one just dash him off an e-mail saying "Hey, thanks for your time on Monday. The position sounds great and I hope to hear from you soon." Or don't! This isn't really worth that much consideration. If you haven't heard from him in your timeframe you could always prod him in your thank-you and then it's a dual-purpose note. RICHUNCLEPENNYBAGS fucked around with this message at 16:15 on Oct 17, 2015 |
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So recently I've been doing some three hour drives to get in for on-sites, mostly with medium-sized startups, and the financial cost of gas and parking is definitely a consideration for me. Is it a faux pas to ask if a company provides some transportation reimbursement after they ask me to come in? I figured that the worst they'd tell me is no, but one of my older relatives seemed horrified that I'd be presumptuous enough to ask.
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Chomposaur posted:I figured that the worst they'd tell me is no, but one of my older relatives seemed horrified that I'd be presumptuous enough to ask. Of course you should ask for reimbursement, I don't think that's an issue at all. If anything, if they are that far away and don't bring it up it's a little bit strange to me. If they are that cheap that they can't expense some gas money to someone they could potentially be spending a bunch of money on in the future... When I got my on site interview at Xamarin, they offered to pay for my gas to get out to the city (which is around three and a half hours away from Albany, NY, where I lived). I told them I could not do that, because my car could not make the trip... or at least, I could get there, but there was a drat good chance I could not get back. So instead, they paid for a bus both ways, and it worked out for everyone. If they don't bring it up before your interview, you should ask.
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RICHUNCLEPENNYBAGS posted:Dude. Stop thinking so hard about it. If you want to send one just dash him off an e-mail saying "Hey, thanks for your time on Monday. The position sounds great and I hope to hear from you soon." Or don't! This isn't really worth that much consideration. If you haven't heard from him in your timeframe you could always prod him in your thank-you and then it's a dual-purpose note. Thanks! Yeah, overthinking dumb things is pretty much my greatest skill.  Drastic Actions posted:Of course you should ask for reimbursement, I don't think that's an issue at all. If anything, if they are that far away and don't bring it up it's a little bit strange to me. If they are that cheap that they can't expense some gas money to someone they could potentially be spending a bunch of money on in the future... If they don't bring it up on their own, what's the best way to bring it up yourself? Also how is that kind of thing usually handled, especially if they DON'T hire you? You just get a check in the mail a few weeks later?
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HondaCivet posted:If they don't bring it up on their own, what's the best way to bring it up yourself? Also how is that kind of thing usually handled, especially if they DON'T hire you? You just get a check in the mail a few weeks later? Bring it up with your recruiter before you go, not after the interview. You'll probably forget otherwise. And yes? They might also have it for you at the interview if you arranged it up front. Anecdotally, the reimbursements for interviews where I got an offer and interviews I didn't were processed the same.
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Plorkyeran posted:Even paying for a plane ticket for a promising candidate is really not a big deal for a company that's used to hiring people that would relocate for the job. It's a fairly insignificant part of the cost of hiring a person. Hell, we have literally thrown parties for candidates we really want to attract, all expenses paid.
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I'm currently in the process of attempting to change fields into software development. I'm taking a 2 year post-graduate college course in Enterprise Software Development. I have my hopes on getting a summer internship during my 4 months off, just to get some experience. I would even be willing to work for free if necessary - hopefully it doesn't come to that, though. Anyway, my question is - how would an interview for this type of position at a bank, telecommunication company, government institution or smaller tech company compare with that of Google/Amazon/Facebook? I've started working through algorithms from Cracking the Coding Interview. I'm curious if contracted entry-level intern positions will have full day interviews with extensive whiteboard coding or if that's more a thing for the big companies paying huge salaries for new grads. This stuff is all fairly new to me and it would be great to get any kind of on-the-job experience without having to study for interviews for 2 years first.
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Ornithology posted:I'm currently in the process of attempting to change fields into software development. I'm taking a 2 year post-graduate college course in Enterprise Software Development. I have my hopes on getting a summer internship during my 4 months off, just to get some experience. I would even be willing to work for free if necessary - hopefully it doesn't come to that, though. Anyway, my question is - how would an interview for this type of position at a bank, telecommunication company, government institution or smaller tech company compare with that of Google/Amazon/Facebook? I've started working through algorithms from Cracking the Coding Interview. I'm curious if contracted entry-level intern positions will have full day interviews with extensive whiteboard coding or if that's more a thing for the big companies paying huge salaries for new grads. This stuff is all fairly new to me and it would be great to get any kind of on-the-job experience without having to study for interviews for 2 years first. There's a lot of variation but I think most interviews are basically like what's in those books. A whole lot of companies will only be picking from the easier questions, though. Also, I've been asked to write Fizzbuzz and a function to calculate the nth Fibonacci number a bunch of times.
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