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ComradeCosmobot posted:Larry Lessig wants you to know that he's decided to be a bit more realistic about his run for the presidency. He is no longer campaigning on resigning after passing his agenda. If only he listened more to Brian Boyko. 
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Hollismason posted:Follow up to the story: Do we know if the killer is perhaps a dentist?
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Oct 18, 2015 01:27
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I just opened up Google News on a whim and the first thing that jumps out at me:This US Today article posted:"I think Donald Trump is totally wrong there," King said Friday during an interview on Fox News Radio. "Anyone who has any real knowledge of that — you can get all the CIA people, all of the career people — no one saw the attack of 9/11 coming. And to blame George Bush for what happened on September 11...shows a lack of knowledge and is too much of a cheap shot at the president." Nobody saw it coming, because I mean come on, surely they would have briefed the president on it.
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Oct 18, 2015 01:31
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It's a shame that Truthers exist since saying "Bush knew about 9/11 but did nothing" gets you lumped in with them. It's like saying "Israel has a lobbying firm that pushes a pro-Israel message to media and government" turns into "Jews control the media and politicians".
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Oct 18, 2015 01:38
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Larry Lessig wants you to know that he's decided to be a bit more realistic about his run for the presidency. He is no longer campaigning on resigning after passing his agenda. What a sellout. How much more is he going to pander just to get that 1% polling eligibilty?
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Oct 18, 2015 01:38
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computer parts posted:It's a shame that Truthers exist since saying "Bush knew about 9/11 but did nothing" gets you lumped in with them. It's nuts that Israel has two lobbying firms for that, not just one.
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Oct 18, 2015 01:41
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Larry Lessig wants you to know that he's decided to be a bit more realistic about his run for the presidency. He is no longer campaigning on resigning after passing his agenda. I hate this guy a lot. Other Democratic nominees are talking about this exact issue and are also well rounded politicians instead of being lovely one trick ponies. This guy is just a megalomaniac with no understanding of the political process. His MayDay PAC was a terrible grifting operation. Please do not let this guy into any debates. 1% threshold there is an absolute joke too, should be at least 3%.
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Oct 18, 2015 01:44
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Rygar201 posted:It's nuts that Israel has two lobbying firms for that, not just one. yeah, which makes no sense because they own the media
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Oct 18, 2015 01:48
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A Bag of Milk posted:I hate this guy a lot. Other Democratic nominees are talking about this exact issue and are also well rounded politicians instead of being lovely one trick ponies. This guy is just a megalomaniac with no understanding of the political process. His MayDay PAC was a terrible grifting operation. Please do not let this guy into any debates. 1% threshold there is an absolute joke too, should be at least 3%. But then there's no horse race!!!!!
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Oct 18, 2015 01:52
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Trabisnikof posted:Clinton will be more liberal than Sanders supports think she will be and less liberal than Clinton supports hope she'll be able to be. Well, duh? Clinton has spent her entire political life with gentle rhetoric and hard-left actions limited only by the scope of the politically possible. Her biggest fails have been misjudging where the line is and going to far left. Like when she tried to get universal health care passed in 1993. I'd love it if Bernie pulled the American public/media far enough to the left to give her more room to work. I stand by my assertion that he makes a good Malcolm X to her Martin Luther King.
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Oct 18, 2015 02:04
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McAlister posted:Clinton has spent her entire political life with gentle rhetoric and hard-left actions limited only by the scope of the politically possible. Her biggest fails have been misjudging where the line is and going to far left. Like when she tried to get universal health care passed in 1993. I've forgotten about that. It def. puts a spin on when people say that Clinton isn't far enough to the left - whenever she's tried to be in any concrete way, she's been beaten down for it.
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Oct 18, 2015 02:07
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Internet Webguy posted:Why would they want to fill heaven with criminals? They wouldn't be criminals anymore. Police can't just have jurisdiction over the physical body anymore with the new and changing trends in society they need to have jurisdiction over your soul as well.
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Hollismason posted:They wouldn't be criminals anymore. Police can't just have jurisdiction over the physical body anymore with the new and changing trends in society they need to have jurisdiction over your soul as well. Police could then definitively state "he was no angel."
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Oct 18, 2015 03:43
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From back a few pages, but obviously Bill will just be called First President Clinton.
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Rollofthedice posted:I've forgotten about that. It def. puts a spin on when people say that Clinton isn't far enough to the left - whenever she's tried to be in any concrete way, she's been beaten down for it. This actually sort of my fear. The county has moved left in a lot of ways and she could still stay stuck in the 90s due to a sort of political Stockholm syndrome.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:This actually sort of my fear. The county has moved left in a lot of ways and she could still stay stuck in the 90s due to a sort of political Stockholm syndrome. I guess the hope/plan is that Bernie through his level of support manages to convince Hillary that times have changed. Chelb fucked around with this message at 04:22 on Oct 18, 2015 |
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:This actually sort of my fear. The county has moved left in a lot of ways and she could still stay stuck in the 90s due to a sort of political Stockholm syndrome. She's moved left in her policy positions so it seems she's aware that things are changing.
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Oct 18, 2015 04:39
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Habitual Quitter posted:From back a few pages, but obviously Bill will just be called First President Clinton.
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Oct 18, 2015 05:00
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Habitual Quitter posted:From back a few pages, but obviously Bill will just be called First President Clinton. Nice.
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Oct 18, 2015 05:44
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Rollofthedice posted:I guess the hope/plan is that Bernie through his level of support manages to convince Hillary that times have changed. Honestly, the way she rewards loyalty, that speech by Bernie might warm things between them. Which would be nice, especially since he'll eventually have to make the case for her to his fans, who are less than fond of her and still live in a world where she's defined by El Rushbo.
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Oct 18, 2015 06:08
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Hodgepodge posted:Honestly, the way she rewards loyalty, that speech by Bernie might warm things between them. Which would be nice, especially since he'll eventually have to make the case for her to his fans, who are less than fond of her and still live in a world where she's defined by El Rushbo. I don't think things were particularly cool between them in the first place. It's not at all like her relationship with candidate Obama, who was some out of nowhere first term upstart she just didn't respect.
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Oct 18, 2015 06:13
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theblackw0lf posted:She's moved left in her policy positions so it seems she's aware that things are changing. To be fair, this is the primary, so promises from candidates in most parties are going to be more aligned to the base than the general or when they get into office. Obama's administration made people a lot more jaded about the length of that gap.
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Oct 18, 2015 06:16
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computer parts posted:It's a shame that Truthers exist since saying "Bush knew about 9/11 but did nothing" gets you lumped in with them.  Conspiracy theories are invented and promoted by the government for exactly this reason.
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Oct 18, 2015 06:48
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king salmon posted:
We're through the looking glass.
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Neeksy posted:To be fair, this is the primary, so promises from candidates in most parties are going to be more aligned to the base than the general or when they get into office. Obama's administration made people a lot more jaded about the length of that gap. It's not like actual policy proposals are suddenly re-written when the general comes along. The way you communicate it and what you focus on might change a bit, but the proposals largely stay the same. Telling your base "hey remember those things I said I was going to do, psyche no longer doing them" is a really quick way to damage voter turnout, both in the general and once you're in office. Even if you want to argue Obama didn't follow up on the policies he proposed, he sure as heck tried to appear like he was. My point is that if Hillary thought her proposals wold be toxic in the general or after, she wouldn't be proposing them. She's likely doing it because she senses that's where the country is, and will help her in getting elected (among other reasons).
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computer parts posted:It's a shame that Truthers exist since saying "Bush knew about 9/11 but did nothing" gets you lumped in with them. Forget convincing people that Bush probably knew about 9/11 beforehand. We can get to that argument eventually. At the moment, it's difficult enough to convince Republicans that Bush was simply president on 9/11.
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tehllama posted:UO is not part of the University System of Oregon and as best I can tell is not overseen by a state board of governor's, so they may have more freedom than a large University System of <State>. At some point I think UC Berkeley (65% in state for undergrads) got told by the governor's office to cap their out of state students but I don't know if they actually did. All of the elite public schools get a lot more of their students from out of state as well and the difference is made up by the many smaller state schools that are basically 100% in state. Georgia Tech only pulls like 60% of its student body from in-state (69% for undergrad), same for U Mich.
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theblackw0lf posted:
I'm still unclear on what significant policy changes Bernie is supposed to have made in her platform. I mean, for example, she was a big part of the last min wage raise in the 90's, stumped and whipped it big time. And has been trying to raise it again since the mid-aughts. Sponsoring bills to raise it and voting for it as senator. She was running on moving it to $12.00 an hour prior to Bernie and the powers of alliteration making "the fight for fifteen" a slogan. I consider "raise the min wage to a living wage" to be the plank and don't consider the 12 to 15 shift to be a substantive change in her priorities or policy. Likewise taxes. She was running on restoring them to Bill Clinton era levels pre-Bernie and is continuing to do so now. As far as I can tell Bernie didn't change her tax plan any just goosed people into looking for it and realizing it exists. So it wasn't new, just new to them. Her green energy grid/jobs program also predates Bernie by years. They used the Clinton Foundation to work out the kinks in Haiti while doing disaster relief there in 2010 and have since created a generic program to help island countries go green energy ( https://www.clintonfoundation.org/our-work/clinton-climate-initiative/programs/islands-energy-program ). This is clearly something the Clinton's have been researching for a long time before trying to scale it up to America. Her police reform planks are stronger and were articulated sooner than Bernie so he's the one playing catch up there. Ferguson appears to be her motivating factor there based on timing and speech topics. I haven't seen her change any foreign policy planks due to Bernie ( and since that's his weak point and she is an ex Secretary of State I doubt he is going to have much to say there ). He's done a ton to change the tone of the debate in good ways. But what "policy change Sanders made Clinton do" can I google and not find that she was already doing it? That claim seems to me like a manufactured narrative. Also, when you strip away rhetoric and look at the plans ... Does Clinton look more socialist than Bernie in some ways? Like Social Security is dripping in capitalist trappings ... Instead of being a proper social insurance plan it pretends to be an investment/savings account and pays out proportional to what was put in rather than proportions to need. So this leads to stupid poo poo like payouts being greatest for the people who need the money least. Meanwhile unpaid work like raising kids gets 0 credits from social security since capitalist systems don't value unpaid work. In the debate Bernie's proposal was to put more money in and lower the retirement age. Not bad ideas but they do nothing to make the program stop fetishizing capitalism. Clinton's suggestion was basically means testing, pay less/nothing to people who don't need it and more to the people who do. Making it into a proper social insurance program rather than treating it like an investment portfolio. She had to tip toe around it some and focused on how moms work hard but that work isn't recognized by the program ... but reading between the lines it sounded like means testing. Which I fully support. We are DINKs and don't need anything from Social Security. Death to the concept that you are owed from SS proportional to what you put in. From each according to their income, to each according to their need. I could also argue that her suggestions could lead to effective nationalization of the banks while splitting them up leads away from that. Etc.
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McAlister posted:I'm still unclear on what significant policy changes Bernie is supposed to have made in her platform. I mean, for example, she was a big part of the last min wage raise in the 90's, stumped and whipped it big time. And has been trying to raise it again since the mid-aughts. Sponsoring bills to raise it and voting for it as senator. She was running on moving it to $12.00 an hour prior to Bernie and the powers of alliteration making "the fight for fifteen" a slogan. I consider "raise the min wage to a living wage" to be the plank and don't consider the 12 to 15 shift to be a substantive change in her priorities or policy. The biggest changes are financial reform and campaign finance. Which she really wasn't as focused on prior to this year. There's reasons most pundits were surprised how progressive those polices were when she announced them. Again though I think it's because she's aware that's where her base and probably the overall voter is,.
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McAlister posted:I'm still unclear on what significant policy changes Bernie is supposed to have made in her platform. I mean, for example, she was a big part of the last min wage raise in the 90's, stumped and whipped it big time. And has been trying to raise it again since the mid-aughts. Sponsoring bills to raise it and voting for it as senator. She was running on moving it to $12.00 an hour prior to Bernie and the powers of alliteration making "the fight for fifteen" a slogan. I consider "raise the min wage to a living wage" to be the plank and don't consider the 12 to 15 shift to be a substantive change in her priorities or policy. tpp for one, she was a strong supporter until recently
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Condiv posted:tpp for one, she was a strong supporter until recently Basically just this as well as her coming out against the Keystone Pipeline (before then her position was that she was somehow unable to comment because she was Secretary of State at a time when it was proposed). She probably would've opposed the pipeline regardless of Sanders, but the TPP thing might have been influenced by him.
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Mr Interweb posted:Forget convincing people that Bush probably knew about 9/11 beforehand. We can get to that argument eventually. At the moment, it's difficult enough to convince Republicans that Bush was simply president on 9/11. quote:Twenty-eight percent said they think former President George W. Bush, who was in office at the time, was more responsible for the poor federal response while 29 percent said Obama, who was still a freshman U.S. Senator when the storm battered the Gulf Coast in 2005, was more responsible. Nearly half of Louisiana Republicans — 44 percent — said they aren't sure who to blame. Source
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king salmon posted:
So I wonder which government invented the conspiracy theory of governments making conspiracy theories.
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McAlister posted:Also, when you strip away rhetoric and look at the plans ... Does Clinton look more socialist than Bernie in some ways? Like Social Security is dripping in capitalist trappings ... Instead of being a proper social insurance plan it pretends to be an investment/savings account and pays out proportional to what was put in rather than proportions to need. So this leads to stupid poo poo like payouts being greatest for the people who need the money least. Meanwhile unpaid work like raising kids gets 0 credits from social security since capitalist systems don't value unpaid work. In the debate Bernie's proposal was to put more money in and lower the retirement age. Not bad ideas but they do nothing to make the program stop fetishizing capitalism. Bernie doesn't oppose Capitalism, he just runs on a platform of small Capitalism. Please don't mix them up in the future. McAlister posted:Clinton's suggestion was basically means testing, pay less/nothing to people who don't need it and more to the people who do. Making it into a proper social insurance program rather than treating it like an investment portfolio. She had to tip toe around it some and focused on how moms work hard but that work isn't recognized by the program ... but reading between the lines it sounded like means testing. Which I fully support. We are DINKs and don't need anything from Social Security. Death to the concept that you are owed from SS proportional to what you put in. From each according to their income, to each according to their need. Hillary, on the other hand, hates Capitalism and America.
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computer parts posted:So I wonder which government invented the conspiracy theory of governments making conspiracy theories. 
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:This actually sort of my fear. The county has moved left in a lot of ways and she could still stay stuck in the 90s due to a sort of political Stockholm syndrome. I have a feeling that Hillarly is more left of Bill but is afraid of alienating people.
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Oct 18, 2015 14:36
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Looks like we still haven't loosened gun laws enough.
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Oct 18, 2015 14:47
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computer parts posted:So I wonder which government invented the conspiracy theory of governments making conspiracy theories. When in doubt, blame the NRO.
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Oct 18, 2015 14:54
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That's legitimate self defense, it was a horde of zombies for Christ sake.
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Ben Carson on This Week this morning is pretty fantastic. He is literally exercising doublethink live on air in terms of Iraq, Afghanistan, and terrorism.
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