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"Everybody knows politics is fake!" *Trump throws John Stossel to the ground by the neck*
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Patter Song posted:Endorsements Even if someone thinks endorsements don't matter much it shows the turmoil the party is in. Either they are that lacking for inspiring figures to get their peers behind them and/or everyone is scared of being on the chopping block by failing the purity test and backing the wrong horse.
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Oct 18, 2015 03:57
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Montasque posted:I want to have a chat about "Conventional Wisdom" in regards to this GOP primary. Conventional wisdom says that ad buys at this point are generally a waste of money and will have no lasting impact on numbers or narrative. So even conventional wisdom says Jeb is flailing desperately.
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Oct 18, 2015 04:23
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I hate to beat a dead horse, but, they can't even pick a speaker let alone a Presidential candidate. Speaking of Presidential Candidates the Secret Service is now protecting Donald Trump and Ben Carson. You'll remember these two rad outsiders as the guys who brought CNBC to their knees. True champions, of WE THE PEOPLE. http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/trump-carson-threats-secret/2015/10/17/id/696743/ Well according to NEWSMAX at least.
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Oct 18, 2015 04:28
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Wanamingo posted:Then Nancy Pelosi becomes speaker. Not that this could ever happen, but I'm convinced there are republicans in congress who would allow it rather than compromise and allow another "rino" to win the gavel.
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Oct 18, 2015 04:31
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The Nastier Nate posted:Not that this could ever happen, but I'm convinced there are republicans in congress who would allow it rather than compromise and allow another "rino" to win the gavel. There certainly are, because the republicans who vote for Nancy Pelosi will lose their primaries before they even start.
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Oct 18, 2015 04:40
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Endorsements and establishment support matter a great deal in the primary because they're from people who are able to mobilize voting districts one way or another. Rep. Fuckface from Pawnee has decades of connections with local community leaders and volunteers that carry immense weight in those areas, much more than some bored fatass on /pol/ making trump memes does. Polling isn't terribly indicative at this point regarding the eventual nominee and it's even less indicative of hypothetical general election contenders. That said, things should start to shake out in the next few months.
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Oct 18, 2015 04:47
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uncurable mlady posted:Endorsements and establishment support matter a great deal in the primary because they're from people who are able to mobilize voting districts one way or another. Rep. Fuckface from Pawnee has decades of connections with local community leaders and volunteers that carry immense weight in those areas, much more than some bored fatass on /pol/ making trump memes does. The /pol/ endorsement is at leat as powerful as a Congressmen. Put that on the board Nate Silver.
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Oct 18, 2015 04:54
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The Nastier Nate posted:Not that this could ever happen, but I'm convinced there are republicans in congress who would allow it rather than compromise and allow another "rino" to win the gavel. If the Freedom Caucus abstains, does that lower the majority threshold or is it a firm 218?
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Oct 18, 2015 04:56
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Vox Nihili posted:Conventional wisdom says that ad buys at this point are generally a waste of money and will have no lasting impact on numbers or narrative. Ha, the point of that being that you're not even supposed to be doing them this far out from the general. This is supposed to be one or two 'real' candidates who don't really fight, and a handful of wack-jobs who are only there for the post-race wing-nut welfare circuit who don't actually pose a real threat. You're not supposed to feel so threatened that you do an ad buy this early in the first place; that it was totally ineffective only underlines how poor Jeb's prospects are. EDIT: I'm agreeing with you, it might not sound like it, but you're right Full Battle Rattle fucked around with this message at 04:59 on Oct 18, 2015 |
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Oct 18, 2015 04:56
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Civilized Fishbot posted:There certainly are, because the republicans who vote for Nancy Pelosi will lose their primaries before they even start. They don't even need to do that if there's a split vote. There's 188 Democratic representatives to 247 Republican, and they're already lining up to vote for Pelosi as a bloc. Aliquid posted:If the Freedom Caucus abstains, does that lower the majority threshold or is it a firm 218? I don't think abstentions ever lower voting threshholds. But the House can change its procedural rules whenever it wants.
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Oct 18, 2015 05:01
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I hope trump wins. He has my write-in vote if he dropps out. He has the same mindset as me and I think he would make a great president.
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Oct 18, 2015 05:02
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Montasque posted:I want to have a chat about "Conventional Wisdom" in regards to this GOP primary. Conventional wisdom is right until it isn't. Politics is predictive to a certain degree, but every once in a while an exceptionally charismatic individual will come along and break the entire model. Take Reagan for example. In the aftermath of Watergate, could any rationale human being predict that not only would the GOP re-capture the Presidency after only losing it for one term, but that their President would win with 91% and 97% of the electoral votes? Nobody knows anything, all is chaos.
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Oct 18, 2015 05:04
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Fuschia tude posted:They don't even need to do that if there's a split vote. There's 188 Democratic representatives to 247 Republican, and they're already lining up to vote for Pelosi as a bloc. So wait, it's theoretically possible that there could be a D president, senate, and speaker of the house if the freedom caucus keeps loving that chicken?
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Oct 18, 2015 05:07
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Pander posted:So wait, it's theoretically possible that there could be a D president, senate, and speaker of the house if the freedom caucus keeps loving that chicken?
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Oct 18, 2015 05:17
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unless you've got some scoop up about upcoming resignations, the republicans currently control the senate
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Oct 18, 2015 05:20
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Raskolnikov38 posted:unless you've got some scoop up about upcoming resignations, the republicans currently control the senate
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Oct 18, 2015 05:22
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Pander posted:There are a lot of red senate seats up for election next fall? If the popular vote margin repeats itself in 2016 from 2012, the GOP will keep the senate and the house easily. 2018 is very friendly to the GOP. 2020 is probably when the Democrats will take back the senate.
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Oct 18, 2015 05:24
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Fuschia tude posted:I don't think abstentions ever lower voting threshholds. But the House can change its procedural rules whenever it wants. The Irish Republicans lowered the UK PM threshold for a long time, I guess this was because they never accepted their seats in Parliament.
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Oct 18, 2015 06:37
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Jeb! has dropped his negative Trump ad... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FivFaqZrr4A Judging from the soon to be closed comment section I don't think it's very effective.
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Oct 18, 2015 07:19
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Montasque posted:Judging from the soon to be closed comment section I don't think it's very effective. that might be the first internet comment section worth reading
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Oct 18, 2015 07:22
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Montasque posted:Jeb! has dropped his negative Trump ad... I'm amazed that after what's happened to every other Jeb! Bush video, Jeb!'s people haven't yet realized that they should disable comments and ratings. Winning over /pol was a fantastically good investment for Trump. After retweeting a few things, he gets an army of negative ratings and comments on every video his rivals put out about him.
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Oct 18, 2015 07:28
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comes along bort posted:that might be the first internet comment section worth reading  Vicious. Trump now has his War Boys...
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Oct 18, 2015 07:29
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comes along bort posted:that might be the first internet comment section worth reading You weren't kidding. Incognito Walröss posted:You literally sourced an editorial from Bloomberg that some human being had an opinion on. GEE I THINK JEB'S A friend of the family-loving RHINOCEROS! I HOPE TRUMP USES MY KNOWLEDGE AND OPINION IN HIS NEXT ATTACK AD!
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Oct 18, 2015 07:31
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Montasque posted:Jeb! has dropped his negative Trump ad... Well...he's not wrong.
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Oct 18, 2015 07:35
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I'm not sure I can deal with this much modernity. Head is spinning, vision swimming. Now I understand why Joementum left.
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Oct 18, 2015 07:37
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efb — Holy poo poo the vitriol is amazing in these comments.
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Oct 18, 2015 07:40
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Mitt Romney posted:If the popular vote margin repeats itself in 2016 from 2012, the GOP will keep the senate and the house easily. 2018 is very friendly to the GOP. 2020 is probably when the Democrats will take back the senate.
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Oct 18, 2015 07:51
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Patter Song posted:Winning over /pol was a fantastically good investment for Trump. After retweeting a few things, he gets an army of negative ratings and comments on every video his rivals put out about him. 'Internet Hate Machine' is a surprisingly apt description. Montasque posted:
 
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Oct 18, 2015 08:09
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Here's a meme more Jeb's speed: Now that lame lady in the office can spam this on her fb wall.
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Oct 18, 2015 08:20
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Vox Nihili posted:I'm not sure I can deal with this much modernity. Head is spinning, vision swimming. Now I understand why Joementum left. i feel like a genoese professor in 1922
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Oct 18, 2015 08:30
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Trump will make the trains run on time, and they'll be the yugest and most luxurious trains the world has ever seen
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Oct 18, 2015 08:32
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Trump himself isn't really that scary, since the man's a clown without much higher drive than attention, money and spite, but there is something a little worrying about the political forces he manages to channel. A more capable, driven and focused candidate in Trump's position could turn this groundswell of support into something actually frightening, we're probably lucky that Ted Cruz is a sniveling vizier type because otherwise he might be positioned to properly co-op Trump's momentum after he's gone. As fun as it is watching the Republican party eat itself and the power of its establishment be weakened, I hope part of the Trump hangover is his virulent supporters burning themselves out. It'd be scary to imagine politicians drawing up plans to follow in Trump's footsteps and tap the sources of overt hate and anger he benefits from. The Tea Party faction is funny so long as they mostly work as a spoiler for the rest of the party's actual achievable goals, if they actually get strong enough to take over and usher in a new era of a rabid, hyper-conservative, populist GOP, that's worrying.
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Oct 18, 2015 08:39
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People are going to die as a result of this madness.
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Oct 18, 2015 08:44
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let loose the bloodgates and see where the bodies fall
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Oct 18, 2015 08:49
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Baloogan posted:People are going to die as a result of this madness.
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Oct 18, 2015 08:49
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I filled in the Breitbart election popup thing (casting my powerful Walker/Santorum/Jindal prediction) to see what people who earnest read about how Gamergate was a brave conservative stand against liberal nonsense think, and a doughy-faced gargoyle is still holding above Carson there:
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Oct 18, 2015 09:00
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pro-click https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGRAonpLeQg
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Oct 18, 2015 09:10
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Sono posted:Can they do this? I've seen people throw out Romney and Gingrich. Does the Speaker not need to be a Representative? The Speaker does not have to be a member of Congress. Kim Davis could be voted in as Speaker of the House.  sullat posted:It's part of the common law, which was adopted by the US. You should probably read the first line of what you linked, it's kinda important. "For example, following the American Revolution in 1776, one of the first legislative acts undertaken by each of the newly independent states was to adopt a "reception statute" that gave legal effect to the existing body of English common law to the extent that American legislation or the Constitution had not explicitly rejected English law." Rejection of the authority of the King/Queen of Britain falls under "explicitly rejected English law" as there's no question of the US rejecting the rule of England or the monarchy. As funny as the whole thing would be no, the US's adoption of (some) English common law doesn't let them appoint a new Speaker as a last resort. Pander posted:There are a lot of red senate seats up for election next fall? You need an unnaturally high voter turnout, which is already unlikely given the massive voter suppression the GOP is continually doubling down on. Even if by some miracle the Democrats pulled it off it wouldn't matter. The GOP won't lose the House for another generation without something like a schism that destroys the party and a Dem president plus Dem senate will still be crippled by a GOP House. A Dem senate with a GOP House and GOP president would give the most token of resistance while ultimately caving constantly.
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Dolash posted:Trump himself isn't really that scary, since the man's a clown without much higher drive than attention, money and spite, but there is something a little worrying about the political forces he manages to channel. A more capable, driven and focused candidate in Trump's position could turn this groundswell of support into something actually frightening, we're probably lucky that Ted Cruz is a sniveling vizier type because otherwise he might be positioned to properly co-op Trump's momentum after he's gone. If they do manage to "take over and usher in a new era of a rabid, hyper-conservative, populist GOP" then the moneyed interests who are less about the social policy and more about the fiscal policy - the "establishment," if you will - will just jump ship and start supporting Blue Dog Democrats. The GOP will become irrelevant for a little while, then the Dems'll have a party split. Maybe someone'll bring back the Whig Party.
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