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Trabisnikof posted:except that's only what you heard. It is what McAllister has spent a non-inconsiderable amount of time banging about in EE, though apparently he's learned to slow his roll a bit here.
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Lessail posted:I'm not trying to troll lmao Well, you failing. "Lmao"
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Boon posted:Well, you failing. "Lmao" Failing at what ? Trolling? That thing I'm not doing? Here's another one: saying Bernie is the left's Ron Paul. I feel that some want that to be completely true wrt racism.
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Lessail posted:I'm not trying to troll lmao lmao indeed, friend.
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Lessail posted:Failing at what ? Trolling? That thing I'm not doing? nobody here is saying any of that poo poo. The only person comparing him to ron paul is you, by being as idiotic as a ron paul person.
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The only similarities I can see is that neither of them are front runners and they both have motivated supporters? I mean, Bernie's platform is pretty standard left wing stuff- it only appears radical to the crop of neoliberal mouthbreathers that we call "liberals" in this country.
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Crowsbeak posted:So any news on the speaker election? GOP is still trying to convince Ryan to take the job, Ryan still doesn't want it if all he's going to accomplish is to torpedo his sadistic budget ideas and get kicked around like John Boehner.
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Lessail posted:Am I getting trolled ? I think you may just be stirring up the wrong thread man. Maybe the Dem Primary thread in RSF would be better suited for calling out Clinton Shills? 
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Crowsbeak posted:So any news on the speaker election? Boehner's office carpet continues its slow evolution into a swamp consisting of tears, ashes, and whiskey.
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Fantastic_Mr_Fox posted:Bernie doesn't oppose Capitalism, he just runs on a platform of small Capitalism. Please don't mix them up in the future. The contrast between what they are saying and what they are proposing is why this amuses me. For the record I think Hillary is a utilitarian, not a socialist. Which means she will advocate policies that fit in the socialist framework when she thinks they are the best solution. Zoran posted:Means testing has nothing to do with providing more benefits to stay-at-home mothers, though. Which is why her answer in the debate was about how hard working moms get stiffed by SS because their work in the home is not counted. That these moms deserve more from SS and aren't getting it. She defined a problem then indicated we should do something about it but didn't articulate what exactly. I am inferring means testing from that answer. I could be wrong in my inference. But regardless I think it is a positive shift in our cultural narrative about social security.
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TheQat posted:http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/18/ben-carson-saudi-arabia-osama-bin-laden-whereabouts?channel=us This needs more attention, Carson's responses are just so terrible and all amount basically to, "well I believe this is the case so it is" fake edit - quote:Stephanopoulos said: “But sir, I wasn’t asking about invading Iraq. I was asking about invading Afghanistan, which had been harboring Osama bin Laden.” "Get hosed, we're talking about Iraq now because I just realized I'm talking myself into a hole"
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The ol' facts don't matter as long as you believe tactic. Classic Republican move, Carson.
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Epic High Five posted:This needs more attention, Carson's responses are just so terrible and all amount basically to, "well I believe this is the case so it is" quote:Stephanopoulos said: “But they didn’t have any loyalty to him. The Saudis kicked him out. He was their enemy.” Literally just 'gently caress you and your facts'.
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Moose-Alini posted:Yeah social security is strong because it's for everyone, even people who know they will never need it. Now, getting rid of the payroll tax cap, I'll get behind that. That doesn't change. I hope I'll never need call on my health insurance but I'm happy to have it. By the same token I would have SS insurance whether or not I drew on it. It's only taken away from me if I view it as a mandatory 401k account that is "mine" rather than an insurance program. And I also support getting rid of the payroll cap. My ideal plan would be means testing to lower the costs of the program and make it solvent/near-solvent as is, then determining how much you could lower the contributions in a revenue neutral or revenue increasing way by removing the cap. I'm not naive enough to think that the bump in take home wages for people below cap from doing that would last long term - but it would be an effective bit of stimulus in the short term and no worse than now in the long term. End result, everyone has retirement insurance, low/median income people pay less into the program, high income people pay more into the program. The only possible downside would be if, as you suggest, this led to making SS easier to attack later. I vigorously contest this assertion. I don't think you can compare SS to welfare programs in terms of attack vectors because it is specifically for retirement and there is broad bi-partisan agreement that the elderly should be allowed to retire. We don't have the cultural expectations for a 70 year old that we have for a 25 year old. Also, the elderly vote in record numbers. And far more of them need SS than don't need it so they would defend it tooth and nail while a portion who don't need it would fight along with them. That's "third rail" in a way Medicaid will never be. In addition, one of the largest complaints I hear from the libertarian attack dogs is that SS is bad because if it let them keep their money they could invest it better than SS does and get a better ROI. This line of reasoning stems directly from viewing it as an investment vehicle rather than as paying for insurance. The two nastiest and most virulent attack vectors against SS are that you could invest the money better yourself and that it's not going to be there for you. Changing the framing counters both of them. Continuing the existing framing paints a target on its back the next time we are in an extended boom market. my effective ROI on SS is only 3%, Whhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!! Not that changing the framing would be easy. And I'd want to see strong indications that the new frame was taking hold in the right wing voters' psyches before enacting policy according to it. In terms of how difficult it would be to administer you would add some challenges but remove others. For example, we currently have to keep lifetime tallies of people's contributions to calculate pay outs. Moving to an insurance framing nixes that. We have headaches determining survivors benefits in the cases of divorce and common law marriages. Does the widow get something? Nothing? Why is X years entitled to something and X-1 day gets nothing? Why the gently caress are we talking about this while the widow can't afford groceries?
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Crowsbeak posted:So any news on the speaker election? Boehner stands in front of the Speaker's office, walling the entrance with stone and mortar. He finishes the final rows, ignoring the howling form of Ryan inside, chained to the desk. "For the love of God, Boehner!" Ryan screams in a shrill voice. "Yes," says Boehner, "for the love of God."
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SSI is 80 years old for a reason duder. The conceit that it's your money has kept it alive while TANF is now a rounding error. Means testing SSI is Hella Dumb in our political landscape, and most conceivable US politics scenarios.
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Rygar201 posted:SSI is 80 years old for a reason duder. The conceit that it's your money has kept it alive while TANF is now a rounding error. Means testing SSI is Hella Dumb in our political landscape, and most conceivable US politics scenarios. Now that I think about it, the reason you outline why SSI should be available for all is also a strong argument why free college should be available for all. Once it's available only for some it's at more of a political risk from being gutted.
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http://www.mediaite.com/tv/andrea-mitchell-explodes-at-benghazi-committee-member-that-is-factually-not-correct/ I really, REALLY dislike Ron Fournier. The man is arguably the king of false equivalencies. Creating a government committee that costs millions of tax payer dollars in order to pursue nothing more than a BLATANTLY political agenda is exactly the same as Hillary Clinton not being extra super duper careful with sending her e-mails.  BOTH SIDES DO IT!
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Lessail posted:No it is time for the Hillary circlejerk In order to troll about bernie/hillary in this thread, you have to put it in terms that seem like a discussion could be had. You can't just say hillary circlejerk, you have to say things like "Bernie supports the drone program" and "Bernie's supporters are misogynists".
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Mr Interweb posted:http://www.mediaite.com/tv/andrea-mitchell-explodes-at-benghazi-committee-member-that-is-factually-not-correct/ This sort of equivalencies, I'm convinced, are so people can still be invited to parties hosted by Washington insiders, who are total morons.
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Bernie Supporters are outside the CNN office building criticizing them for censorship and saying they are intentionally trying to get Hillary elected by pulling the online poll and editing debate media content. This does not seem very wise and could very well backfire on their candidate. The Bernie campaign isn't doing this, and I'm pretty sure Bernie himself would be against these actions. But some volunteers are. Honestly if I was Hillary I would welcome this development. I think whether CNN was deliberately manipulating content should be looked at and taken seriously, but this is not the way to go about it.
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theblackw0lf posted:Bernie Supporters are outside the CNN office building criticizing them for censorship and saying they are intentionally trying to get Hillary elected by pulling the online poll and editing debate media content. Do Bernie supporters not see the first several questions asked of Clinton? CNN was pretty hard on her and even gave a few GOP Benghazi talking points, including interrupting her and saying "But secretary, American citizens died in Benghazi under your watch"
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theblackw0lf posted:Bernie Supporters are outside the CNN office building criticizing them for censorship and saying they are intentionally trying to get Hillary elected by pulling the online poll and editing debate media content. God drat those stupid fuckers
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Freakazoid_ posted:In order to troll about bernie/hillary in this thread, you have to put it in terms that seem like a discussion could be had. You can't just say hillary circlejerk, you have to say things like "Bernie supports the drone program" and "Bernie's supporters are misogynists". I find saying making Hillary out to be some sort of racial paragon works too. Always fall back on that one when I want to troll an rear end in a top hat. Mitt Romney posted:Do Bernie supporters not see the first several questions asked of Clinton? CNN was pretty hard on her and even gave a few GOP Benghazi talking points, including interrupting her and saying "But secretary, American citizens died in Benghazi under your watch" Man people really need to get out of this Hillary supporters/Bernie supporters mindset unless you're talking about something super broad. It's the main thing in these threads that make people look like ideologues. Supporters like parties aren't a hive mind and every group has their idiots. SirKibbles fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Oct 18, 2015 |
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theblackw0lf posted:Bernie Supporters are outside the CNN office building criticizing them for censorship and saying they are intentionally trying to get Hillary elected by pulling the online poll and editing debate media content. I'll give them this - I don't think Paulites ever did that (at least in person).
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Mitt Romney posted:Do Bernie supporters not see the first several questions asked of Clinton? CNN was pretty hard on her and even gave a few GOP Benghazi talking points, including interrupting her and saying "But secretary, American citizens died in Benghazi under your watch" They're this term's Ron Paul supporters so no they don't look outside their basement. Paulites did their poo poo fit in the convention.
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Lessail posted:Amazing. I'm glad Hillary is better than her supporters tbqh Bernie is better than his supporters Also McAlister really needs to know that there's an entire forum now dedicated to Bernie vs. Hillary circle jerk computer parts posted:I'll give them this - I don't think Paulites ever did that (at least in person). haha no, you already forgot the shouting at the RNC over rigging the voting on live television already
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greatn posted:nobody here is saying any of that poo poo. The only person comparing him to ron paul is you, by being as idiotic as a ron paul person. 
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theblackw0lf posted:Bernie Supporters are outside the CNN office building criticizing them for censorship and saying they are intentionally trying to get Hillary elected by pulling the online poll and editing debate media content. Yeah the last thing a candidate wants is voters getting the idea that the media does not like him or that he does not like the media, great take on this issue.
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Great now they're going to push The Biden Narrative even harder now that both front runners are ruffling media feathers (sanctioned or not)
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greatn posted:God drat those stupid fuckers Bernie needs to do whatever he can to stop this from continuing
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There is no greater issue in this campaign than whether or not people are saying mean things about CNN. *insert animated gif of beyonce* Hire me please, Daily Beast.
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The true crime here is people caring about CNN.
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DemeaninDemon posted:The true crime here is people caring about CNN. 
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quote:In the interview, Gowdy said his team has requested and just recently received the emails of Christopher Stevens, the ambassador who was killed during the 2012 attacks on a U.S. diplomatic facility. He said none of the other seven committees "bothered to access" the messages he had sent and received. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/benghazi-chairman-trey-gowdy-to-gop-colleagues-shut-up/ We've had 7 prior committees to allegedly investigate the death of Amb. Stevens, and for some reason no one bothered to request any e-mails that were sent by said Ambassador until now?
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