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Here's an example of one concern I have with Defy Danger. A player is responding to a jet of flame trap that shoots from a doorway in front of his character -- the brave adventurer decides immediately to quickly raise his shield to outlast the burst of fire. Is he: A: acting fast, in raising his shield as a reaction? +DEX B: enduring the blast? + CON C: thinking quickly, using his shield to protect outside of combat? + INT I think B is the weakest, but it's at least plausible and I am sure that given enough time, people in this thread could come up with a better example that drags +CON in. I can go either way with A or C. The player will always want to frame his actions in terms of whichever is more advantageous. It may well just be my personal preference; I want players thinking about the fiction, not the game move. It also dilutes the theme. If I ask you to envision an iconic D&D character who's quicker than the rest of the party at dodging things, there's a good chance you envisioned an elf, a rogue, or an elven rogue. You almost certainly did not imagine the beardy wizard, who thought quickly and and got out of the path of whatever.
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But the point is it should be up to the GM to decide that, not the player. To me that example is pretty clearly Con since you are absorbing the blow, but so long as you are consistent I don't think it should be a problem.
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Oct 17, 2015 03:41
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neaden posted:But the point is it should be up to the GM to decide that, not the player. To me that example is pretty clearly Con since you are absorbing the blow, but so long as you are consistent I don't think it should be a problem. Isn't that how it works? You describe what you're doing, then the gm tells you the roll. Am I misremembering that?
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Oct 17, 2015 04:10
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homullus posted:Here's an example of one concern I have with Defy Danger. A player is responding to a jet of flame trap that shoots from a doorway in front of his character -- the brave adventurer decides immediately to quickly raise his shield to outlast the burst of fire. Is he: In this case, "outlast" is pretty much a synonym of "endure," so it's only gonna trigger a +CON Defy roll without more dialogue to follow. The DM should ask an "are you sure you want to do this thing that will make you roll +CON?" type clarifying question then move on from there. quote:It also dilutes the theme. If I ask you to envision an iconic D&D character who's quicker than the rest of the party at dodging things, there's a good chance you envisioned an elf, a rogue, or an elven rogue. You almost certainly did not imagine the beardy wizard, who thought quickly and and got out of the path of whatever. The DM is not there to say this class can use this stat to dodge and this one can't. That doesn't follow the fiction, that follows some metagame balance stuff that doesn't matter. FicusArt posted:Isn't that how it works? You describe what you're doing, then the gm tells you the roll. Am I misremembering that? The following section is addressed to all players, "If it’s ever unclear if a move has been triggered, everyone should work together to clarify what’s happening. Ask questions of everyone involved until everyone sees the situation the same way and then roll the dice, or don’t, as the situation requires."
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Oct 17, 2015 04:48
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slydingdoor posted:The following section is addressed to all players, "If it’s ever unclear if a move has been triggered, everyone should work together to clarify what’s happening. Ask questions of everyone involved until everyone sees the situation the same way and then roll the dice, or don’t, as the situation requires." This is great advice, one of many pieces of great advice in the game. A better game would not have a Defy Danger that requires this rule as often as it does.
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Oct 17, 2015 05:29
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What would be an alternative within the context of the game's theme?
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Oct 17, 2015 06:17
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Banana Man posted:What would be an alternative within the context of the game's theme? It depends on what you think the game's theme is. I think that the game's theme is "trying to be old-school D&D," and so I think they should have made class-specific moves to give each an advantage to "defying danger" in the areas where that class had strong saving throws in AD&D. Give flat 10+/7-9/6- rolls to all the rest, maybe give each class a way to give other party members +1 forward on their saves when the fiction allowed ("Quick, everybody under my Shield spell"). That's just off the top of my head, I am sure people more skilled in PbtA design could do better.
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Oct 17, 2015 06:27
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So a player just died and wants to keep playing as 'themselves'. Is there any Ghost playbook out there? Alternatively, whats the best Necromancer style class?
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Oct 19, 2015 01:22
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Sounds like someone earned a compendium class.
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Oct 19, 2015 01:35
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That could certainly work. Any advice on which?
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Oct 19, 2015 01:44
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There's a couple in the OP, the Immortal might be the most appropriate.
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Oct 19, 2015 01:49
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I swear Numbers Appearing had zombies and the such.
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Oct 19, 2015 01:51
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Making your own is always an option if you don't find one that fits.
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Oct 19, 2015 03:17
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I took Shamblercow's Necromancer and made some heavy (spoopy) modifications, then slapped that into a DW template, and that oughta do the trick. Thanks guys!
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Nemesis Of Moles posted:So a player just died and wants to keep playing as 'themselves'. Is there any Ghost playbook out there? I've successfully reflavored Rainlord as a ghost, since it has moves about being not-entirely-solid, being surrounded by spooky fog, etc. Survivor makes a pretty good zombie/Frankenstein's monster, too.
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Oct 20, 2015 16:11
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Nemesis Of Moles posted:So a player just died and wants to keep playing as 'themselves'. Is there any Ghost playbook out there? Lands of the dead has the ethereal compendium class which is for characters who have lost or forgone their physical form. Lands of the dead I also put the ethereal in grim world if you have that.
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Nemesis Of Moles posted:So a player just died and wants to keep playing as 'themselves'. Is there any Ghost playbook out there? Well good news, there is now a Ghost playbook out there! Because I just published it 2 minutes ago. Hello Dungeon World thread! I have released a new playbook pack, my third one after the Alternate Core Playbooks and the Mage Bundle. This one is very Halloween themed, and the core of it was written by the forums' RulebookHeavily, with refining/formatting work done by me. The bundle is THE CREATURES OF THE NIGHT, and contains playbooks for the Vampire, the Werewolf, and the Wraith. The main gimmick of these playbooks is they are not basic playbooks, and they are not compendium classes. They are Advanced Playbooks that are overlaid on top of your original playbook, replacing some of your moves with new ones to represent your transformation into something else. Unlike a CC, you don't need to level up to get these, and you can even start the game as, say, a Vampire Fighter or a Werewolf Golem. And if you want to get it at a 50% off discount, I've also put it into a Halloween bundle with The Witch and The Cultist, so if you're missing one or both of those, it is a pretty good deal. Check 'em out! Because this is probably the last thing I'm gonna ever publish for Dungeon World.
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gnome7 posted:Well good news, there is now a Ghost playbook out there! Because I just published it 2 minutes ago. These a quite fun, I'm definitely thinking of how to make more of them, they just seem way more interesting that compendium classes.
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Oct 26, 2015 20:44
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To prevent confusion; Remember that your race move is also a starting move.
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gnome7 posted:... Wait, what? Why? Are you just focusing on non-DW custom game stuff? And if so, what? Or are you retiring from game design / dying or something?
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Blasphemeral posted:Wait, what? Why? Are you just focusing on non-DW custom game stuff? And if so, what? Or are you retiring from game design / dying or something? You may want to check out this thread about gnome7's game, Fellowship
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Oct 28, 2015 18:11
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Well, my Witch (gnome's, not the other dude who is a jerk I think maybe?) just died two sessions into a campaign, but she died in a pretty cool way, taking all the blame for witchcraft in her coven to remove a witch-hunter's suspicion. Still, I would've liked to have gotten a bit more with her. I think I'm gonna write my own playbook for my next character, The Mercenary Commander, a combination of the Apocalypse World Chopper, a 4th Edition Warlord, and a high level 2nd edition fighter who gets their own castle and stuff. Hopefully it'll be cool. Oh, also apparently these games are being recorded, so I'll post 'em when they're up.
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Hey, could someone point me to a copy of The Princess playbooks someone did here a little while back? The one with the Disney font?
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https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_W1uSpYihHpYjE5b3pzOUs0NFE/edit I think this is the newest version. Wrestlepig fucked around with this message at 02:19 on Nov 10, 2015 |
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Quick question: Does it break the game at all if two players use the same playbook? I know the game discourages it, but will things really get ruined if there are two Wizards in the party?
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Nov 10, 2015 02:54
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The problem falls on making sure the two characters are different. Two of the GM Moves are "show the (dis)advantages of a character's class," which can be redundant if you've got two of them. But if the characters are differentiated enough, then you can try your best at it.
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Simian_Prime posted:Quick question: Does it break the game at all if two players use the same playbook? I know the game discourages it, but will things really get ruined if there are two Wizards in the party? Not break so much as step on the players' toes. That rule is primarily about niche protection, if A and B are both Wizards and A is always doing the Cool Wizard Stuff (tm) that leaves B a little left out, its also why you want to watch out for multiclass stuff. You don't want the fighter being a better thief than the thief. This is also why the Paladin is the worst core class, aside from being 80% boring numbers go up bullshit, it Fighters better than the Fighter. But there are a ton of alternate classes and playbooks, if you have two players keen on being mages, maybe pick two different but complimentary pbs for them Gnome's mages and witch are great. Inverse World's lantern, rainlord, and collector either are or can be reflavored super easy. Johnstone Metzger (author of class warfare and other cool things) has made Warlock and Elementalist pbs. In fact, I have a player in my irl game right now playing a "Wizard" Elementalist.
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quote:1. Choose a Class
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Simian_Prime posted:Quick question: Does it break the game at all if two players use the same playbook? I know the game discourages it, but will things really get ruined if there are two Wizards in the party? The playbooks aren't different enough from themselves to make it work. They'll both be good at basically the exact same things and excel in the exact same situations, which means they'll both be fighting over trying to do the same thing at the same time. The rule on "no shared playbooks" isn't a suggestion, it's a rule. Don't break it. Thankfully, "wizard" is probably the most rewritten playbook out there - there's tons of different spellcaster playbooks about. I highly recommend looking around and finding a small pile for your two players to pick a wizard from. Error404 listed most of them, but there's also Grim World's Channeler, Shaman, and Necromancer, my Spellsword playbook, and I highly recommend this big pile of different Mages.
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Simian_Prime posted:Quick question: Does it break the game at all if two players use the same playbook? I know the game discourages it, but will things really get ruined if there are two Wizards in the party? There's also the Spellslinger, Fae, and Sorcerer classes by me. DTRPG here Google Docs here Spellslinger is a combination of old west gunslinger and harry potter spell combat. Fae is about having weaknesses and granting wishes or casting curses. Sorcerer is about causing strange magical effects based on your volatile emotions, or controlling others' emotions.
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Ok, ok cool! Thankfully this issue hasn't come up at my table before, I was just curious.
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chaos rhames posted:https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_W1uSpYihHpYjE5b3pzOUs0NFE/edit Yep! Haven't had time to update it to the new playbook look, though. ...not 100% sure I have the real estate for that either, but I'll try. Have they dropped InDesign docs for the new playbook yet?
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What's the playbook that's most like a classic Final Fantasy Black Mage?
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Gnome's Witch is a pretty solid all-around magic-user playbook- you can chuck black magic spells of different elemental effects around, depending on what type of witch you are, you can make potions and you have a broomstick (or whatever) to fly around on. For someone who wants a Black Mage experience while also having other stuff to do than "I shoot him with magic" I'd recommend it.
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Thanks! I overlooked that the first time because it has such a strong Kiki's Delivery Service flavor (which is great, btw!) and forgot how much other stuff is in it. One last request: I've grabbed the Improved Bard, but are there any other bardic or musical playbooks? Besides the one-off reference in move names in playbooks like the Barbarian, I haven't seen any. There isn't, like, a The Minstrel playbook or something? Anything to give my bard player a second option?
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Blasphemeral posted:Thanks! I overlooked that the first time because it has such a strong Kiki's Delivery Service flavor (which is great, btw!) and forgot how much other stuff is in it. Does he just really want to incorporate music into his character or something else? For reference the revised bardo dos specifically took out music stuff because I find force of will/leadership cooler.
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Fenarisk posted:Does he just really want to incorporate music into his character or something else? For reference the revised bardo dos specifically took out music stuff because I find force of will/leadership cooler. Yeah, music stuff is important to her character. Am I better going with the original Bard, then? [Edit] To clarify, I'm using what I believe is Gnome's Improved Bard. Dunno if there's a different one; that's kinda what I'm asking. Blasphemeral fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Nov 13, 2015 |
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There's the official core book Bard, which heals or buffs allies with music (or any other 'performance') by using the Arcane Art move. All of the moves are loosely worded to allow for any other type of inspiring ability, but you could totally make it all about the music. The starting gear includes a musical instrument.
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Blasphemeral posted:Thanks! I overlooked that the first time because it has such a strong Kiki's Delivery Service flavor (which is great, btw!) and forgot how much other stuff is in it. I'm a bit late on this but you can try out my maestro. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5RjPWInqxg2SF9uQ0ZmMWJfZTg/view I haven't cleaned it up but it's about 90% ready to go. You can play him as any sort of artist, but music is certainly a possibility. More "composer" than "wandering bard", though. EDIT: I'm looking for a playbook or resource that was about homesteading. I can't really find it any more, but it was about the players forming a community, and one could be a marshall I think? And some other positions. Each had an associated move as well. Alternatively, any sort of rules about homesteading/managing your own business/town/whatever will do. Deltasquid fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Nov 18, 2015 |
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Deltasquid posted:I'm a bit late on this but you can try out my maestro. Wow, this is great! I wish I had seen this before the game. I'll def. add it to my "advanced recommended playbooks" list.
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