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Cry Havoc posted:they call it spooning hahahaha loving lolled Harveygod posted:It's like 5 good episodes streatched out to 18 episodes. I really liked the last episode, but not enough to recommend watching the whole slog leading up to it. JediTalentAgent posted:It was okay. I watched it, at least, but it felt like it took forever to feel like it was getting to somewhere really interesting. It's probably not helped by the fact that from what I remember it wasn't supposed to be a BSG-related show in the first place. I think most people like the final 5 minutes or so of the final episode as I think it sort of reveals about 3-4 years worth of big moments that we were never going to get to as a series. Watch it if I have absolutely nothing going on? Or not even then? Would I have to watch it all or could I watch some highlight reel on youtube?
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Shadow posted:Watch it if I have absolutely nothing going on? Or not even then? Would I have to watch it all or could I watch some highlight reel on youtube? I don't really know if there's much of a highlight reel. It'd say if you haven't seen it and are on the fence you could probably just burn through some Wiki episode guides somewhere in about 30 minutes. But, I have to admit, I sort of liked it. I'd say it's worth a watch if you've seen everything else out there and want to get all your BSG mythology caught up between that and Blood and Chrome. It has a lot from first-season lack of direction, but they do have some interesting things going on in it. I seem to recall the religious cult storyline and stuff with the mob was maybe the most interesting part, as well as some Patton Oswalt cameos.
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Wow. Might need to watch it out of morbid curiosity now. Thanks for the clarification!
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Ambrose Burnside posted:they are a terrorist militia who feel they were abandoned or betrayed by the Federation and are, from their perspective, defending their homeland. none of that makes them remotely right wing. i mean, the IRA or the PLO are/were also terrorists concerned about the occupiers getting off muh land but nobody would ever pretend they are right wing in the american militia sense its the future where people don't work to attain material goods any more and they're still love their dead gay planet. there's enough planets for every member of the marquis to have like a hundred but they gotta have that one. they weren't abandoned by the federation, they just didn't want to change planets, even for the peace of the galaxy. they believe the government should have less power over their lives, that's right wing, that's reactionary and conservative. they want the federation to go cause death for a colony that's like as old as my mortgage. they're as tea party as you can get in a classless society
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I'll admit, it's been about 4-5 years since I saw the show. I liked it, but I'm also fully aware I tend to like stuff other people don't. Eric Stoltz character is sort of maybe Steve Jobs meets Rusty Venture. He's gone from being a nobody to creating a massively advanced and hugely popular tech innovation to being caught between past success and failing to perfect his next big thing and losing everything in the process. His daughter is killed in a religious cult's suicide bombing and the media and law enforcement pin her as a collaborator, which further hurts him and his company's image. He's also not above lighting a robot on fire to see if it is housing his dead daughter's soul.
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chaosbreather posted:its the future where people don't work to attain material goods any more and they're still love their dead gay planet. there's enough planets for every member of the marquis to have like a hundred but they gotta have that one. they weren't abandoned by the federation, they just didn't want to change planets, even for the peace of the galaxy. they believe the government should have less power over their lives, that's right wing, that's reactionary and conservative. they want the federation to go cause death for a colony that's like as old as my mortgage. they're as tea party as you can get in a classless society right wing people believe in hierarchy, and obeying proper authority. the maquis are left wing hippy anarchists
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Oct 19, 2015 06:32
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Rutibex posted:right wing people believe in hierarchy, and obeying proper authority. the maquis are left wing hippy anarchists They also believe in shooting UN soldiers that set foot "their land" to protect their rights.
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Oct 19, 2015 06:35
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The only way you'll take my phaser is from my cold dead hand. Or use a transporter beam to lock onto our weapons and beam them away. One of the two.
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Oct 19, 2015 06:40
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Rutibex posted:right wing people believe in hierarchy, and obeying proper authority. the maquis are left wing hippy anarchists i don't think you know what a hippy is, what 'right wing' is, or what 'anarchists' are. 'hippies' are pacifists. that means they don't kill people. the marquis is an armed insurrectionary force. the 'right wing' are conservatives, people who believe in private ownership and keeping poo poo how it was. the marquis believe they own their planets and want to keep it that way. 'anarchists' are against organisational hierarchies. the marquis clearly have hierarchies. there are council meetings, people have ranks. the mere fact that the maquis are rebels does not make them left wing. there have been many right wing rebellions in history, including the ill-fated american one (people who thought they should keep all their poo poo like they always did instead of paying tax) that resulted in the present clusterfuck (and them still paying tax).
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How seriously do people take latinum? If the federation is post-economics would the average citizen look at it the way we view arcade game tickets?
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bobthedinosaur posted:How seriously do people take latinum? If the federation is post-economics would the average citizen look at it the way we view arcade game tickets? It would be viewed as something that attracts a bad element. Like revving your engine outside the VTEC poseurs hangout on a Friday night or wearing a tube top at the county fair. Sort of like putting your big screen tv in front of the street-side windows of a lovely neighborhood, but without the implied utility the big screen TV conveys.
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bobthedinosaur posted:How seriously do people take latinum? If the federation is post-economics would the average citizen look at it the way we view arcade game tickets? I think Fed people view latinum as a quaint anachronism that demonstrates how alien cultures are well behind the Federation in species advancement. That is, until they find themselves off-world and away from a replicator and they're hungry and they turn into beggars post-haste.
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Oct 19, 2015 08:38
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Where is a federation citizen going to go where they'll be left stranded and hungry like that? I highly doubt the ferengi homeworld is a popular travel destination.
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Filthy Hans posted:I think Fed people view latinum as a quaint anachronism that demonstrates how alien cultures are well behind the Federation in species advancement. That is, until they find themselves off-world and away from a replicator and they're hungry and they turn into beggars post-haste. I'm pretty sure they said that latinum cannot be replicated, so it has value due to rarity. Gold can so that's why Quark calls it useless.
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JediTalentAgent posted:The only way you'll take my phaser is from my cold dead hand. They don't even need to do that. In one of the episodes they say the Federation transporters can deactivate non-authorised weapons as part of the transportation process. So I can just beam you straight into a re-education centre comfort cell without even taking anything off you and the teleporters just remareralises your weapon as an expensive paperweight instead of a weapon.
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Maybe we just don't rematerialize you at all... Look at our man O'Brien over there. You don't think those greasy fingers of his couldn't 'accidentally' hit the wrong few buttons? Seems a little strange, you know, that they trust the lowest ranked and educated member of a Starfleet vessel to be in charge of the device that --in theory-- we tolerate killing its users every time we power it up? What's one more 'death' when the final tally comes around, huh?
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Since the standard recreational technology tries to kill the Enterprise crew seemingly every third week and every console on the entire ship seems liable to explode the moment the ship takes literally any damage what we can safely say is that they don't care about health and safety much.
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Kitchner posted:Since the standard recreational technology tries to kill the Enterprise crew seemingly every third week and every console on the entire ship seems liable to explode the moment the ship takes literally any damage what we can safely say is that they don't care about health and safety much. If there were a better way than routing mains power through every single workstation on the ship I'm sure Starfleet Engineering would have thought of it.
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The Maquis aren't, like, Sean Hannity right wing, but there's definitely as much 1980's Action Hero Freeman On The Land standing up for himself while the Corrupt Pussies in Congress Do Nothing sort of poo poo as they could hammer in without making them explicitly evil bad guys with respect to the setting. I mean, Charles Bronson wasn't yelling "Obama's a friend of the family muslim!!!" in between shooting evil gangsters that were ruining his neighborhood, but he was just a Joe the Plumber type who had to solve problems with manly action instead of socialism and long, boring laws that you have to read. They must have been doomsday prepper types to end up there in the first place, right? I mean, how many legitimate reasons would you have to move over to a dirtball on the edge of Cardassian space and start growing food by hand, you know?
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The way I view the Maquis is that they exist so far from the glorious paradise of Earth that they've gone wild, so to speak, and aren't as nurtured by the Federation as other places are. They have had to, unlike so many other generations preceding, eke a living out in a hostile environment, tame and terraform their way to a thriving civilization, and they accomplished this with very little help and support from Big Government back home. They are proud of what they have done, but now that their work is just about done, they've made these planets into viable places to live...and the Government, who did so little to help them (or so they feel) has taken their land away and given it to a bunch of filthy spoonheads and you know those Cardassians had been sending rape and pillage parties into Macquis territory for decades and didn't you hear about Celulon 4, a colony of 30,000 people whom the Cardassians disrupted from orbit on a whim? That's the way I see it. The Maquis are wrong, but they have good enough reasons for why they do what they do. Politics isn't a factor for them--they are, in fact, revolting AGAINST politics in general. They're frontiersman with ships. That's what makes Eddington so perfect for them: he's Starfleet through and through, but he dreams of being some revolutionary hero, and the Maquis cause is just pointless enough to work: innocent, hard-working people who just want to defend a land which they feel is theirs by right, who dare to fight the most powerful forces in the galaxy to have their independence. The Maquis would probably have quietly surrendered after a couple years if Eddington hadn't given them hope and tactical prowess.
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Oh for the love of christ
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Tujague posted:Oh for the love of christ I thought it was a good post.
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Rutibex posted:right wing people believe in hierarchy, and obeying proper authority. the maquis are left wing hippy anarchists it's that "proper authority" escape clause that allows american right-wingers to yell about how they wish someone would shoot the president and allows federation right-wingers to yell about how the federation are totally just like the borg, man, because they wouldn't just endlessly slaughter spoonheads instead of trading some planets for a peace treaty (p.s. don't forget the cardies signed over some of their planets too. it wasn't a one-way treaty.) the maquis are literally founded on the premise that no peace treaty or settlement can ever entail the exchange of inhabited land, no matter how much blood would be spilled otherwise. it is a worldview absolutely centered on property rights above the inherent value of life. if you don't want to call them "right-wing", fine whatever i don't want to see a few pages of stardestroyer.net-level pedantry over semantics because i don't particularly want to debate what is left-wing and right-wing, but they are absolutely knuckledragger reactionary throwbacks within the context of their society and political system. TNG Journey's End established firmly that the Federation was entirely willing to not only resettle the colonists, but to even send Starfleet to find new habitable planets if no known worlds were suitable to the colonists. it completely destroys the moral ambiguity of the conflict. oh and they're also gigantic hypocrites because within the span of like two years they go from "god, feds, can't you just leave us alone" to "maaaaan how could you guys just abandon us when the dominion wrecked our poo poo?" they never wanted to be truly independent. they just wanted starfleet to back them up so that they could bomb spoonheads and not fear the massive reprisals that the cardassian fleet would otherwise have meted out to them.
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if you brought a maquis back to today and showed him the "minutemen" assholes who patrol the U.S./Mexico border hoping to pick off immigrants, they'd probably nod and say "yeah makes sense to me"
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It's almost as if the writers were making poo poo up on an episode by episode basis and didn't have a real plan for what the Maquis were actually supposed to be.
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Oct 19, 2015 19:47
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The Maquis are clearly American Jews moving into settlements in the West Bank.
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Entropic posted:It's almost as if the writers were making poo poo up on an episode by episode basis and didn't have a real plan for what the Maquis were actually supposed to be. Pretty much, yeah. The only plan I can think of was that they wanted a band of mullety rebels for Voyager. I don't think the Maquis were ever really meant to represent any real world political groups in particular. There are folks who wander off into the mountains or the desert for whatever reason and get really attached to their little slice of wilderness, especially once they've built the place up to be reasonably self-sustaining and start having kids who'll presumably inherit everything later on. It's a lifestyle thing more than a political thing; the Maquis strike me as a combination of that hippy commune stuff with the much more militant survivalist/prepper bullshit that always seems to end with people building bunkers or stockpiling canned goods and shotgun shells. They're probably really big Propagandhi fans.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:
Yeah, they're also hypocrites because for all their talk of individualism they rely on Federation goods for survival. Some of it is black market reliance, but they're not above stealing what they need, like that episode where Eddington jacked the industrial replicators - sure they were denying them to the Cardassians, but they went to the trouble of stealing them rather than simply destroying them because they really needed the drat things. Eddington was really self-righteous about the whole affair, too. Typical libertarians.
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My favorite thing about that DS9 arc is that we find out it's trivially easy to make entire planets uninhabitable to humans with one ship in a matter of minutes and yet somehow the entire Alpha Quadrant hasn't been turned into a death zone yet.
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Entropic posted:My favorite thing about that DS9 arc is that we find out it's trivially easy to make entire planets uninhabitable to humans with one ship in a matter of minutes and yet somehow the entire Alpha Quadrant hasn't been turned into a death zone yet. it actually comes up earlier, in TNG - The Chase shows a Klingon ship doing some technobullshit thing with its phasers to annihilate a biosphere presumably this doesn't happen frequently because it's the equivalent of starting a nuclear war.
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It's also super easy for them to reconfigure their deflector/phaser/plot device to cause a massive solar flair and wipe out everything in its path. This happens in DS9 and one of the other ones.
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And the Romulans killed all DNA on a planet during that chase for the DNA TNG episode. It really should have been a regular occurance with a daily tally of now un-inhabitable planets kicking off every broadcast. poo poo, even Worf was able to make Risa uninhabitable (in relative terms)
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I guess the obvious technobabble retort is that it's just as easy to reverse with technobabble nonsense.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:it actually comes up earlier, in TNG - The Chase shows a Klingon ship doing some technobullshit thing with its phasers to annihilate a biosphere in TOS a taste of Armageddon Kirk threatens to destroy an entire planet with the power of the Enterprise, and i think scotty mentions the enterprise being able to "sterilize a planet" with their phasers in a matter of hours. i can only assume the alpha quadrant works on the same theory of Mutually Assured Destruction that we have today, as a single cloaked ship could kill trillions of people in a week
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and the new trek movies give us red matter which would still place it well before TNG. so everybody can kill everybody immediately and nobody does it because everybody can kill everybody immediately.
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There's at least once where the Enterprise almost accidentally ruined a planet with some phaser drill thing. The planet was already in trouble , but it goes to show how easy you can screw up and nearly ruin a civilization.
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Nondescript Van posted:and the new trek movies give us red matter which would still place it well before TNG. Different time line sorry. No red matter in the standard universe.
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