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Doctor Butts posted:Show used to be kind of goofy fun but its pretty intolerable now. I only watch this because my wife does and I really only pay attention to the chick. Do you say "Thish ish intolerable" in a Sean Connery voice during the episodes
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Oct 20, 2015 14:16
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Do you say "Thish ish intolerable" in a Sean Connery voice during the episodes Now ish the winter of your dishcontent!
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Oct 20, 2015 14:22
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DoctorWhat posted:Clara's a fantastically interesting character, so good on you for recognizing that! Despite all of the odds! And her entire first run.
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Oct 20, 2015 14:41
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Do you say "Thish ish intolerable" in a Sean Connery voice during the episodes Your mothersh a whore, Fenric.
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Oct 20, 2015 14:41
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Attitude Indicator posted:can someone give me a breakdown of where this theory comes from? All i've read into this season just points to the doctor being worried that clara is running from her life and her loss of danny. There was one pre-season promo picture that was referencing Abbey Road... and it played into the "Paul is Dead" conspiracy but using Clara instead.
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Oct 20, 2015 14:53
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Nah, their answer to a paradox is "okay, go tell one of the engineering teams they've got work to do The last time Gallifrey found out The Doctor had a dead companion they decided to throw her into the oubliette of eternity and blink her out of existence.
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Oct 20, 2015 18:23
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Chairman Mao posted:The last time Gallifrey found out The Doctor had a dead companion they decided to throw her into the oubliette of eternity and blink her out of existence. Pretty sure you're mistaken. They never use the oubliette.
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Oct 20, 2015 18:31
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Do you say "Thish ish intolerable" in a Sean Connery voice during the episodes Myself shout, 'This is an outrage!' in a Tony Harrison voice.
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Oct 20, 2015 18:35
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If Clara is dead when did she die? Is this going all the way back to ~the impossible girl~?
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Oct 20, 2015 18:43
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Probably something like she would have died in the "correct" timeline of Under The Lake, which the Doctor messed with and might have started a large paradox. Comedy option: the human Clara died in the dalek shell where she merged with the AI and now became Souffle Girl...again
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Oct 20, 2015 19:17
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She died in 2013, absorbed by a spoonhead to feed the Great Intelligence. In the episode itself the Doctor saved her, because she called him by accident, because SOMEONE gave her his nunber.
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Oct 20, 2015 19:18
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And More posted:It's probably not true, and they just like ringing the cloister bell. Then again, I could absolutely see Moffat coming up with a plot twist like that. Doctor Who is kind of a hosed up family show. Sure, he's been talking up how proud he is of the plot twist he has lined up for the end of episode 11 since before season eight ended, hasn't he?
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Oct 20, 2015 19:26
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Clara is totally going to die horribly, isn't she? 
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Oct 20, 2015 19:28
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Spatula City posted:Clara is totally going to die horribly, isn't she? Lord, I hope so. It’s high time a companion died instead of being mindwiped, sent back in time to the 1890’s, saved in a library database, or forced to date Mickey the Idiot!
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Oct 20, 2015 19:47
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Don't forget banished to another dimension along with everything you could ever have wished for! That was a terrible fate.
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Oct 20, 2015 20:04
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Yeah, I'm hoping that the culmination of all this is that Clara died, and the Doctor rewrote time to fix it, and the Series 9 we're watching is in the rewritten timeline. Things will get progressively more problematic as his actions have consequences, leaving him to go back in time and stop himself from saving her. Like Father's Day, but with a lot more weight behind it.
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Oct 20, 2015 22:06
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The_Doctor posted:Now ish the winter of your dishcontent! Enough of an excuse to post this again! (Shakespeare Volume Warning!) EDIT Fil5000 posted:Pretty sure you're mistaken. They never use the oubliette.  DOUBLE EDIT Why did I post that? 
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Oct 20, 2015 23:03
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Nah, their answer to a paradox is "okay, go tell one of the engineering teams they've got work to do "This one's bad. Better get the Doctor Cleanup Corps." *cut to guys with 1000 yard stares and funny hats, one twitches slightly, the rest sigh in defeat*
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Oct 21, 2015 01:31
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CobiWann posted:Lord, I hope so. It’s high time a companion died instead of being mindwiped, sent back in time to the 1890’s, saved in a library database, or forced to date Mickey the Idiot! I am absolutely dreading the return of River Song.
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Oct 21, 2015 04:56
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Fil5000 posted:Pretty sure you're mistaken. They never use the oubliette. No, not the mind probe!
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Oct 21, 2015 07:33
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Rhyno posted:I am absolutely dreading the return of River Song. I'm not. Isn't that amazing?
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Oct 21, 2015 08:04
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cargohills posted:I'm not. Isn't that amazing? Yes
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Oct 21, 2015 08:49
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I'm not sure how it may or may not relate to a "Clara is dead" theory but I've said it before and I'll say it again--RTD and Moffat have completely ruined character exits with their "Part Time Companion" and "Universal Cell Phone" concepts. In the old show, a companion's arc was they were whisked away from their lives, their family (if they had one), by the Doctor, traveled, and then decided to settle down back home or elsewhere and leave. They couldn't "phone home" easily, they couldn't just live a full life and then party with the Doctor on weekends. Because they basically do exactly that now, for them to really leave, it usually takes death or an almost impossible barrier to keep the Doctor away (and usually the barriers are the same level of "impossible" that could be solved by the Doctor in any ordinary episode). -Rose was trapped in a parallel timeline, supposedly almost impossible for the Doctor to breach -Donna's head would explode if she remembered her time with the Doctor -Amy and Rory were trapped somewhere in time where it was supposedly impossible for the Doctor to find them and then they died -River died Of the long term companions, only Martha and Jack chose to leave, and in Jack's case he spent a century desperately trying to get back to the Doctor, was rejected, then half heartedly invited back aboard, only to realize his new home planet needed him, he must stay. Clara has no reason to leave. She can work, live, have boyfriends, see her parents, all while traveling with the Doctor as a hobby. Moffat has almost set it up that only her death can stop her from being a companion. Which kinda sucks.
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Oct 21, 2015 13:42
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I think on some level that's exactly the arc they're going for though (at least since season 8 with the Pink storyline). There's some idea that she's become his 'soldier' and will keep following him until it kills her.
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Oct 21, 2015 13:57
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The most insane Clara theory I can come up with: At some point during the events of The Witch's Familiar, Missy started impersonating Clara and got the real one killed. My only actual proof for this is that Clara's acting about as nonchalantly about fairly important things as Missy would if she were pretending to be Clara, and that the cloister bell probably would be chiming off like crazy if the Master were traveling inside the TARDIS. Cleretic fucked around with this message at 14:14 on Oct 21, 2015 |
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Oct 21, 2015 14:09
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Astroman posted:I'm not sure how it may or may not relate to a "Clara is dead" theory but I've said it before and I'll say it again--RTD and Moffat have completely ruined character exits with their "Part Time Companion" and "Universal Cell Phone" concepts. Different audience expectations too, perhaps. TV drama being more serialised now, if companions just left, I reckon people would be more likely to ask, "Why doesn't the Doctor just hop in the TARDIS and go back to see X again? Why does he forget them after they were his best friend for a while?" (I think the second part there is partly down to RTD's having Doctor / Companion romances and Moffat's fixation on walking, talking mystery boxes with special destinies) when the actor's moved on and doesn't want to come back. quote:Of the long term companions, only Martha and Jack chose to leave, and in Jack's case he spent a century desperately trying to get back to the Doctor, was rejected, then half heartedly invited back aboard, only to realize his new home planet needed him, he must stay. I wonder if Martha's an exception because she's pretty exceptional as a companion, in the sense that she's the only one I can recall whose character arc involved her comparing herself to her predecessor (whose loss the Doctor is still mourning) and wondering whether or not she measures up.
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Oct 21, 2015 14:21
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Clara got that particular story beat out of the way early on, when she sussed that the Doctor was comparing her to someone else and told him she wouldn't have it. Funnily enough, that time he was comparing her to... herself.
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Oct 21, 2015 14:57
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Astroman posted:I'm not sure how it may or may not relate to a "Clara is dead" theory but I've said it before and I'll say it again--RTD and Moffat have completely ruined character exits with their "Part Time Companion" and "Universal Cell Phone" concepts. Except those older stories were written in an era without the internet and smartphones (or even just cellphones). People notice if you're away for a day or two.
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Oct 21, 2015 15:12
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Except those older stories were written in an era without the internet and smartphones (or even just cellphones). People notice if you're away for a day or two. It's a time machine
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Oct 21, 2015 15:40
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MrL_JaKiri posted:It's a time machine And that worked really well for Rose's first trip out, didn't it?  .
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Oct 21, 2015 15:52
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And even on the old show, Sarah Jane got dropped off way far from home, Ian and Barbara missed two years, etc.
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Oct 21, 2015 16:05
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Chokes McGee posted:"This one's bad. Better get the Doctor Cleanup Corps."  I miss Bob Hoskins 
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Oct 21, 2015 16:20
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Neddy Seagoon posted:And that worked really well for Rose's first trip out, didn't it? Yeah but "People get worried about me because I'm not on facebook" doesn't matter because the stories happen in a completely different time frame. They could have a century of adventures and return the same second, they could have no adventures and pop out a century later. Either way, the passing of time that the companion experiences is completely independent of the passing of time "back home". Whether they're missing from Facebook or not is something that's not determined until they stop travelling through time.
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Oct 21, 2015 17:14
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The benefits of having a tangible life outside the TARDIS for companions far outweigh the negatives. I don't think it's "ruined" departures, in fact it's better now that companions can't just disappear between stories with scarcely a word or get randomly married off. I do think it's mainly a TV expectations thing. You couldn't do Hartnell's Doctor leaving Susan in the future and saying "I will come back" and never coming back these days. misadventurous fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Oct 21, 2015 |
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Oct 21, 2015 18:00
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It's one of the reasons I'm so sad that they brought back Amy and Rory for the first half of season 7. Their departure at the end of season 6 and even the little Christmas visit in the otherwise dreadful Doctor, Widow, Wardrobe special seemed like a natural (and earned!) break, with the characters having departed satisfied with how their time together had wrapped up.
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Oct 21, 2015 22:07
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Did Rory and Amy get send back to the 1930s, and sent the Doctor a letter from then say "Don't come and find is, we're happy here, but we'll always remember our adventures with you"?
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Oct 21, 2015 22:15
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twistedmentat posted:Did Rory and Amy get send back to the 1930s, and sent the Doctor a letter from then say "Don't come and find is, we're happy here, but we'll always remember our adventures with you"? The 20s or 30s, I can't remember which. But yeah, they sent him (and Rory's dad! And presumably Amy's tiny little dad too) a letter saying,"It's okay, we're happy, we're living a good life." I mean there was the small matter of World War II coming up of course, but nothing's perfect!
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Oct 21, 2015 22:30
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Jerusalem posted:The 20s or 30s, I can't remember which. But yeah, they sent him (and Rory's dad! And presumably Amy's tiny little dad too) a letter saying,"It's okay, we're happy, we're living a good life." Well, we know Rory's stance on that Hitler fellow, I'm sure he was lobbying for America to get stuck in.
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I think Power of Three was meant to seem like it was building to a natural sendoff only to swerve away at the end. I think their last story is pretty good and i like that it's about how the Doctor doesn't want to stop hanging out with Amy and Rory and River even as it becomes increasingly inevitable. That said i agree that a natural "we're done adventuring Doctor, thanks for the laughs" ending would have been nice. Honestly though i hope Clara gets a Romana like ending where she gets to be her own adventurer somewhere. It would fit with all the setup making her into a Doctor-mirror. Or else have a reverse of Amy and Rory where it looks like Clara is gonna die or get trapped in another universe or something and then comes out perfectly fine and decides she's ready to chill and find a more peaceful lifestyle.
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