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Flipswitch: Mar 30, 2010

I call her Jane Rambo because she's topless and carrying an entire PanO armies worth of grenades on her person. Anyat owns.

# ? Oct 19, 2015 10:03

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# ? May 16, 2024 00:15

Deviant: Sep 26, 2003; i've forgotten all of your names.

Ugh, I need to get off my booty and assemble this Marut.

# ? Oct 19, 2015 16:17

Pierzak: Oct 30, 2010

Ilor posted:

...so...jealous...

Oh look, someone posted tournament photos.

# ? Oct 19, 2015 18:55

Flipswitch: Mar 30, 2010

Those tables are cool, cracked up at the Ebola poster.

Not trolling but were you guys playing in some sort of mix between a gym and a bomb shelter?

# ? Oct 19, 2015 19:09

Pierzak: Oct 30, 2010

Flipswitch posted:

were you guys playing in some sort of mix between a gym and a bomb shelter?

IIRC it was a high school basement. So yes.

Pity we didn't have that location for the summer tournament, would've helped in the 40 degree heat.

Pierzak fucked around with this message at 19:18 on Oct 19, 2015

# ? Oct 19, 2015 19:13

Laphroaig: Feb 6, 2004; Drinking Smoke; Dinosaur Gum

Flipswitch posted:

I call her Jane Rambo because she's topless and carrying an entire PanO armies worth of grenades on her person. Anyat owns.

Speaking PanO and grenades, when is PanO getting access to normal smoke?

# ? Oct 19, 2015 19:39

Pierzak: Oct 30, 2010

Laphroaig posted:

Speaking PanO and grenades, when is PanO getting access to normal smoke?

Right after Morats get TO camo :v:

# ? Oct 19, 2015 19:41

Laphroaig: Feb 6, 2004; Drinking Smoke; Dinosaur Gum

CLIPSOS FO is 25 points and no SWC

e: durp durp Morats are not Makual. I rarely see people play the CA Morat Aggression force sectorial. Its always vanilla CA so they can bring 3x Malignos.

ee: last I saw tournament results, Tohaa were taking a lot of top slots. Is that still true, or has the field leveled out more as people have figured out how to deal with Warbands better?

Laphroaig fucked around with this message at 19:49 on Oct 19, 2015

# ? Oct 19, 2015 19:45

Flipswitch: Mar 30, 2010

Laphroaig posted:

Speaking PanO and grenades, when is PanO getting access to normal smoke?

tbh I'd be perfectly fine with us getting only zero-vis smoke. I just want another loving source of the cunting stuff.

RE: Tohaa, it's starting to level out a bit but Tohaa are very strong in that they're optimised for N3 at the get-go while other factions have blatantly poor stuff in them.

# ? Oct 19, 2015 20:14

w00tmonger: Mar 9, 2011; F-F-FRIDAY NIGHT MOTHERFUCKERS

Deviant posted:

Ugh, I need to get off my booty and assemble this Marut.

Just assembled mine and good drat are the arms a bitch. The junction of the 2 arms with the sword and the shoulder pads on that side drove me insane.

# ? Oct 19, 2015 21:35

Flipswitch: Mar 30, 2010

Not to toot my own horn or advertise my stores website here and sound like a poo poo head, but for those who visit FSGs website, I've spent the past day or so organising every faction by unit type, locating missing products and generally making it a bit neater, for those that do shop with FSG, if you guys see anything missing just give me a holla.

# ? Oct 19, 2015 21:46

E.J.Olmos: Jan 1, 2008

So 12 years ago I put away my Imperial Guard for the last time. Thought I was done for good with this stuff.

Got the Father Knight figure and the Nomads left to build, then what happens next?

# ? Oct 19, 2015 22:31

admanb: Jun 18, 2014

w00tmonger posted:

Just assembled mine and good drat are the arms a bitch. The junction of the 2 arms with the sword and the shoulder pads on that side drove me insane.

That was the most frustrated I have ever been while assembling a model.

# ? Oct 19, 2015 22:50

DJ Dizzy: Feb 11, 2009; Real men don't use bolters.

E.J.Olmos posted:

So 12 years ago I put away my Imperial Guard for the last time. Thought I was done for good with this stuff.

Got the Father Knight figure and the Nomads left to build, then what happens next?

Then you cave and buy into more factions. :negative:

# ? Oct 20, 2015 01:04

Mugaaz: Mar 1, 2008; WHY IS THERE ALWAYS SOME JUSTICE WARRIOR ON EVERY FORUM

Any realistic way to buy Palbots for PanO separately?

# ? Oct 20, 2015 02:34

Not a viking: Aug 2, 2008; Feels like I just got laid

ChoKonnit's thread on the official Infinity forum sells split up boxes.

# ? Oct 20, 2015 07:06

Pierzak: Oct 30, 2010

Mugaaz posted:

Any realistic way to buy Palbots for PanO separately?

They used to be sold in a separate blister, look up small/poorly advertised stores, they might still have some.

# ? Oct 20, 2015 09:22

spectralent: Oct 1, 2014; Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops

I'm now part of an escalation league in my area for this so time to get my ALEPH actually painted!

We're on week 2 at 125 points, 2SWC, and a lt, and I've got the starter box and the support pack. My major issue is that my only lt candidate period is the Asura, and she's over half my budget and not a hacker so I can't bring dakinis. Any advice?

# ? Oct 20, 2015 19:42

Deviant: Sep 26, 2003; i've forgotten all of your names.

spectralent posted:

I'm now part of an escalation league in my area for this so time to get my ALEPH actually painted!

We're on week 2 at 125 points, 2SWC, and a lt, and I've got the starter box and the support pack. My major issue is that my only lt candidate period is the Asura, and she's over half my budget and not a hacker so I can't bring dakinis. Any advice?

Aleph
──────────────────────────────────────────────────

Group 1

0
ASURA Lieutenant MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, AP CCW. (68)
DEVA Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 31)
DAKINI Tacbot Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (13)
NETROD Electric Pulse. (4)
NETROD Electric Pulse. (4)
NETROD Electric Pulse. (4)

0.5 SWC | 124 Points

Open with Army 5

Or change the 3 netrods for another Dakini. I think those are your only choices, mathematically.

Edit: There's also this, but I wouldn't run it.

Aleph
──────────────────────────────────────────────────

Group 1

0
ASURA Lieutenant MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, AP CCW. (68)
SOPHOTECT Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (31)
YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (3)
YUDBOT Electric Pulse. (3)
NETROD Electric Pulse. (4)
NETROD Electric Pulse. (4)
NETROD Electric Pulse. (4)

0 SWC | 117 Points

Open with Army 5

Deviant fucked around with this message at 20:08 on Oct 20, 2015

# ? Oct 20, 2015 20:04

spectralent: Oct 1, 2014; Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops

At 125 points is 4 orders going to leave me completely swamped or is that just "low end of normal" territory?

# ? Oct 20, 2015 20:08

Deviant: Sep 26, 2003; i've forgotten all of your names.

spectralent posted:

At 125 points is 4 orders going to leave me completely swamped or is that just "low end of normal" territory?

Someone else will have to answer that, I do know ALEPH gets kinda shafted at low points.

Whoops, thought of two more:

Grenade Launcher

Aleph
──────────────────────────────────────────────────

Group 1

0
NETROD Electric Pulse. (4)
ASURA Lieutenant MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, AP CCW. (68)
DEVA Hacker (Hacking Device) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 31)
DAKINI Tacbot Paramedic (MediKit) Combi Rifle / Electric Pulse. (15)
NETROD Electric Pulse. (4)

0.5 SWC | 122 Points

Open with Army 5

The Deva Hacker and the Naga hacker are both 31 pts, but the Deva has NWI + Nanopulser, whereas the Naga has CH:Camo and Dogged. With that few orders, dogged isn't going to help you.

Same BS, Deva has better armor. I say the Deva.

Deviant fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Oct 20, 2015

# ? Oct 20, 2015 20:09

OB_Juan: Nov 24, 2004; Not every day is a good day.; Dinosaur Gum

Can't you proxy something else for the Asura? 68 pts of obvious lt is... problematic?

# ? Oct 20, 2015 20:24

spectralent: Oct 1, 2014; Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops

I dunno how okay that'd be with other players, though yeah, it is kind of annoying I've apparently picked the only army who can't actually use their starter box for this.

# ? Oct 20, 2015 20:33

dexefiend: Apr 25, 2003; THE GOGGLES DO NOTHING!

Just suffer through it. You will be fine when you get to realistic point levels.

# ? Oct 20, 2015 20:38

Corbeau: Sep 13, 2010; Jack of All Trades

If you're on that low an order count with that expensive a model, you might as well make it your Lt. because you're going to need the extra order (and because if you lose it, you're probably doomed anyway).

# ? Oct 20, 2015 20:47

grassy gnoll: Aug 27, 2006; The pawsting business is tough work.

More newbie questions.

Availability is a limit on individual models from a listing, right? Is there a point to taking weak low AVA units like USA grunts, or are they just cheap ways to buy Orders?

Please tell me how I'm going to screw up AROs.

# ? Oct 20, 2015 21:07

Deviant: Sep 26, 2003; i've forgotten all of your names.

grassy gnoll posted:

More newbie questions.

Availability is a limit on individual models from a listing, right? Is there a point to taking weak low AVA units like USA grunts, or are they just cheap ways to buy Orders?

Please tell me how I'm going to screw up AROs.

- Yes.

- They're called cheerleaders. See also bakunin moderators.

# ? Oct 20, 2015 21:10

Corbeau: Sep 13, 2010; Jack of All Trades

grassy gnoll posted:

More newbie questions.

Availability is a limit on individual models from a listing, right? Is there a point to taking weak low AVA units like USA grunts, or are they just cheap ways to buy Orders?

There's definitely use in bringing cheap units as cheerleaders (and cheap backup specialists, and coverage against airborne deployment/impersonation). Let me quote this section from my strategy post:

Corbeau posted:

- Cheerleaders

The nature of Infinity means that even cheerleaders can be effective offensive pieces, but that usually isn't their main role. Cheerleaders primarily exist to provide regular orders and basic ARO defence against airborne deployment at minimum cost. These are typically a faction's line infantry, the most inexpensive bare-bones units that you can buy. Quantity is more important than quality for this role, but the occasional factional perk can be welcome (like BS12 on PanO Fusiliers, the Morat skill on Morat Vanguard Infantry, or WIP14 and underslung light shotguns on Haqq Ghulams). Cheerleaders usually need to be deployed defensively, with limited lines of fire, since they typically lack powerful long-range AROs and have no special survival abilities. Anything can kill anything else in Infinity, and often will, but it's usually more efficient to channel cheerleaders' orders into units specialized for whatever particular job is required.

Grunts are particularly good at being defensive pieces in cover, thanks to their high (for basic infantry) ARM. They'll still die if exposed to enemy fire, but if they're in cover then they have decent odds to soak an extra order before they're dead. The flamethrower Grunt is also excellent for corner defense.

grassy gnoll posted:

Please tell me how I'm going to screw up AROs.

All of the ways.

# ? Oct 20, 2015 22:18

spectralent: Oct 1, 2014; Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops

One of the things that got me in my intro game (pro tier right here :v:

) is that there's almost no way of shooting people without them potentially getting shots back. If they can see you (and vision's both-ways, fair's-fair style), then they can fire back. There is basically no such thing as a riskless attack.

# ? Oct 20, 2015 22:41

Pierzak: Oct 30, 2010

spectralent posted:

One of the things that got me in my intro game (pro tier right here ) is that there's almost no way of shooting people without them potentially getting shots back. If they can see you (and vision's both-ways, fair's-fair style), then they can fire back. There is basically no such thing as a riskless attack.

Stack modifiers against them - having a camo shooter in cover is -9 to ARO right there. Have snipers pick out riflemen and shotgunners. Limit simultaneous AROs by blocking part of the field of view with smoke (and then shoot through the smoke with MSV2 units or Intuitive DTW). Place mines from around the corner so they can't ARO without the mine going off. Shoot them in the back. Throw grenades over the wall/from behind a corner as speculative fire. If they do get cautious, suicide cheap 5pt chain rifle dudes to shoot the whole bunch. Total reaction bot stopping you? Smoke and intuitive or snipe it with a TO dude (you want -12 to BS, murderbots can still crit you on 2s) TO is too hard? They don't have MSV, throw smoke and shoot through. Smokers creeping near? MSV2 is your friend.

grassy gnoll posted:

Please tell me how I'm going to screw up AROs.

Your opponent will do the above, be as much an rear end in a top hat to him as rules and good sportsmanship allow. Make him suffer multiple AROs at once so he has to divide the burst, have snipers where they will have range advantage, match MSV to camo, learn your units' vulnerabilities and avoid them.

grassy gnoll posted:

Availability is a limit on individual models from a listing, right? Is there a point to taking weak low AVA units like USA grunts, or are they just cheap ways to buy Orders?

If they're low AVA it means you're playing a generic list, so play to their strengths - take them as HFT infiltration variants. For plain orders you want chain Volunteers for 6pts each.

spectralent posted:

We're on week 2 at 125 points, 2SWC, and a lt, and I've got the starter box and the support pack. My major issue is that my only lt candidate period is the Asura, and she's over half my budget and not a hacker so I can't bring dakinis. Any advice?

Buy a Garuda, assemble it, if someone tells you to play Aleph at 125pts shove it up their nose sideways.

Or proxy it as a Deva+Devabot, if they take issue with proxying use the above solution.

# ? Oct 20, 2015 23:08

Cyclomatic: May 29, 2012; "I'm past caring about what might be lost by letting alphabet soups monitor every last piece of communication between every human being on the planet."

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spectralent posted:

One of the things that got me in my intro game (pro tier right here ) is that there's almost no way of shooting people without them potentially getting shots back. If they can see you (and vision's both-ways, fair's-fair style), then they can fire back. There is basically no such thing as a riskless attack.

If their stat is 12 or less, and you can stack -12 on them they don't get to shoot back. Intruders in smoke erase TR bits this way.

There is also a loophole in the ZoC rules to steal their ARO and get zero risk shooting attacks and engagements. Although tbh, you should just scoop against anyone abusing ZoC rules. Edit: Seriously, people using camo markers and coordinated orders to have a non-camo troop walk in the targets ZoC to get a normal roll with low B weapons with no shots back are subhuman.

But in general that true there is always risk.

Cyclomatic fucked around with this message at 23:55 on Oct 20, 2015

# ? Oct 20, 2015 23:30

Flipswitch: Mar 30, 2010

If someone tries to game that ZOC bullshit just punch them.

# ? Oct 20, 2015 23:51

MrSquarepants: Jul 4, 2012

Can you elaborate on what the ZoC abuse is? I haven't heard of this before, and I'm really curious about it.

# ? Oct 21, 2015 00:03

spectralent: Oct 1, 2014; Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops

Unfortunately it's escalation, so we're going from low-points "just the starter box" to full armies (300pts). Long term I'm thinking maybe full-robo or full-gynoids (Maurt+Tact/Garudas or devas, asuras, nagas, etc), but yeah, for now, tiny points values. On the plus side most people playing have never played before, so.

# ? Oct 21, 2015 00:04

Corbeau: Sep 13, 2010; Jack of All Trades

Smoke 'em if you've got 'em.

Aleph
──────────────────────────────────────────────────

Group 1

0
ASURA Lieutenant MULTI Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, AP CCW. (68)
MYRMIDON Chain Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (16)
MYRMIDON Chain Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (16)
MYRMIDON Chain Rifle, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, AP CCW. (16)
NETROD Electric Pulse. (4)
NETROD Electric Pulse. (4)

0 SWC | 124 Points

Open with Army 5

# ? Oct 21, 2015 00:22

spectralent: Oct 1, 2014; Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops

I don't have any of those Myrmidons

# ? Oct 21, 2015 00:36

Pierzak: Oct 30, 2010

What about Devas? :v:

Aleph
──────────────────────────────────────────────────

Group 1

0
DEVA Lieutenant (G: Synchronized) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser+Devabot / Pistol, Knife. (27)

DEVABOT Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (4)
DEVA (G: Synchronized) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser+Devabot / Pistol, Knife. (27)

DEVABOT Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (4)
PHOENIX Heavy Rocket Launcher, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Assault Pistol, DA CCW. (2 | 35)
MIRANDA ASHCROFT Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Monofilament CCW. (19)
WARCOR (Sixth Sense L1) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (3)
NETROD Electric Pulse. (4)
NETROD Electric Pulse. (4)
NETROD Electric Pulse. (4)

2 SWC | 123 Points

Open with Army 5

Also, what's that about ZOC ARO bullshit?

# ? Oct 21, 2015 01:30

Corbeau: Sep 13, 2010; Jack of All Trades

Pierzak posted:

What about Devas?

Aleph
──────────────────────────────────────────────────

Group 1 6 2 0
DEVA Lieutenant (G: Synchronized) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser+Devabot / Pistol, Knife. (27)
DEVABOT Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (4)
DEVA (G: Synchronized) Combi Rifle, Nanopulser+Devabot / Pistol, Knife. (27)
DEVABOT Heavy Flamethrower / Electric Pulse. (4)
PHOENIX Heavy Rocket Launcher, Nanopulser, Smoke Grenades / Assault Pistol, DA CCW. (2 | 35)
MIRANDA ASHCROFT Combi Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Monofilament CCW. (19)
WARCOR (Sixth Sense L1) Flash Pulse / Stun Pistol, Knife. (3)
NETROD Electric Pulse. (4)
NETROD Electric Pulse. (4)
NETROD Electric Pulse. (4)

2 SWC | 123 Points

Open with Army 5

Also, what's that about ZOC ARO bullshit?

Number of these models in the Aleph starter box: effectively zero.

# ? Oct 21, 2015 01:32

spectralent: Oct 1, 2014; Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops

I've got the netrods but yeah.

I guess I should ask about proxies, since it's looking real hard to make a list with my Asura being an Asura and my dakinis being dakinis.

# ? Oct 21, 2015 01:34

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# ? May 16, 2024 00:15

Exmond: May 31, 2007; Writing is fun!

MrSquarepants posted:

Can you elaborate on what the ZoC abuse is? I haven't heard of this before, and I'm really curious about it.

I don't know... If you move within 8" of a unit (their ZOC) you usually trigger an ARO. Stealth and camo get around this. Since it triggers an ARO you MUST spend that ARO.

No idea how you can get a free attack in though? If you move in from behind and trigger a ZOC ARO the opponent can do change facing at PH - 3 which counts as a dodge if you attack.

# ? Oct 21, 2015 01:36

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