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Seagull: Oct 9, 2012; give me a chip

Immigration Minister Peter Dutton, who has his own long-term leadership ambitions

# ? Oct 21, 2015 01:46

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Cartoon: Jun 20, 2008; poop

I too would willingly complain about rape to a police force that has repeatedly done nothing about it in the past. Choice quote from the front page of the Arsetralian 'from her seaside accomodation'. Should get an award or two at the Border Farce Annual Victim Blaming Awards (BFAVBA) night. But why stop when you are clearly on a roll?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-21/asylum-seekers-could-be-forced-into-warzones-david-manne-warns/6871214

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Asylum seekers could be forced into warzones under laws proposed by Federal Government, human rights lawyer David Manne warns By political reporter Stephanie Anderson Updated about 3 hours ago

Asylum seekers could be forced into warzones such as Syria under new laws tabled by the Turnbull Government (NOT NTATA this is fresh poo), a prominent human rights lawyer has warned. Immigration Minister Peter Dutton tabled a bill last week to strengthen requirements for people who are not refugees as described in the Migration Act, but cannot be returned to their home country due to risk of harm. The Migration Amendment (Complementary Protection and Other Measures) Bill 2015 seeks to rule out protection for people who face a "generalised" risk, can change their behaviour and can relocate to a safer part of their home country. The potential laws have been labelled as dangerous by human rights lawyer David Manne.

Mr Manne, the executive director of the Refugee and Immigration Legal Centre, told the ABC the proposed laws could see asylum seekers deported to warzones such as Syria. "These provisions run the very real risk, if they pass into law, of seeing people sent back to extremely dangerous war zones," he said. "These types of provisions are very hard to reconcile with the recent generosity and compassion seen in the humanitarian act of agreeing to take an additional 12,000 Syrian refugees." Mr Manne said the Government had not made a credible case for the proposed changes, which he said would affect "many people" currently under protection in Australia. The bill has been referred to the Senate's Legal and Constitutional Affairs Legislation Committee, with a report due early next year.

Syrian asylum seeker injured after repatriation from Manus Island

The legislation coincides with news that a Syrian man repatriated from Manus Island by the Federal Government has been injured during shelling on his village. Lateline tracked down the man, known as Eyad, who had arrived on Christmas Island by boat on August 4, 2013. The 29-year-old was flown home in August this year, having claimed to have signed a waiver provided by the Australian Government. "It's my own responsibility, not the Australian Government." Eyad said he had been picked up by government intelligence officers after landing in the Syrian capital, Damascus. He was later reunited with his family, but he said his village � caught between rebel militants and the Syrian government army in Daraa province �was dangerous. He said he was outside with his 54-year-old father last month when shelling began. "A shell dropped about four metres from us," he said. "The shrapnel killed my father at the spot and I was injured."

There aren't words. Well apart from: Did we buy a huge being hosed up package wholesale because the loving terrible keeps coming in family sized doses.

HOW DARE THEY GET IN THE WAY OF OUR CARS!

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-20/funding-cut-for-protection-of-endangered-koalas/6871010

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Funding cut for protection of 'endangered' koalas on NSW north coast, Labor says By Philippa McDonald Updated yesterday at 11:11pm

The New South Wales Opposition has accused the State Government of cutting funding for the protection of koalas on the state's north coast, a group which have recently been placed on the endangered list.

Opposition environment spokeswoman Penny Sharpe said the budget estimates process had revealed deep cuts to Saving our Species funding on the north coast. "They'll only spend $45,000 on the north coast to try and protect the koalas, at the very same time the New South Wales Scientific Committee (NSWSC) has just upgraded its status from vulnerable to endangered," Ms Sharpe said. "Last year $177,000, this year $45,000, for the whole north coast to save the iconic koala."

In statement to the ABC, a spokesman for Environment Minister Mark Speakman said the State Government had committed a record $100 million over the past five years to protect all threatened species, including the koala. "[The Government] has supported the development of comprehensive koala plans ... to protect koala habitat in Ballina, Byron, Bellingen, Tweed, Campbelltown, Palerang and Cooma-Monaro," the statement said. The NSWSC has made a preliminary determination that koalas over a large area of the far north coast are facing a very high risk of extinction in the near future.

The Tweed Coast has seen an estimated 50 per cent decline in koala numbers to as few as 150 over a decade. It is a decline that renders the population "unviable", the council's ecologist Scott Hetherington said. "You've got an extinction debt where there's the long-term impact of loss of habitat to development, then there's other issues such as diseases, cars and dogs," he said.

Koala zones have already been put in place to alert drivers to slow down in the marsupial's habitat. In a bit to restore some koala habitat, 65,000 trees have been planted, and housing developments must take into account the impact on the local populations of the animal. In warning koalas in the region were facing extinction, the NSWSC said over the past 150 years almost half of the "original vegetation cover has been removed or heavily disturbed". The NSWSC also said the four-lane Pacific Highway in the state's north had proved a significant barrier to koalas and the marsupials rarely used the underpasses and overpasses which had been constructed as fauna crossings.

The finding comes as conservationists wait on final approval from the Federal Government for an upgrade of the Pacific Highway near Ballina. The section of highway would impact upon what ecologists have described as a core koala habitat. Lorraine Vass, president of The Friends of the Koala, said the impact of the highway upgrade on the animal's population in the northern rivers would be catastrophic.

"If we let this population go to a local extinction, be it on our head," she said. Friends of the Koala have been fighting the proposed route for the highway upgrade for a decade and have asked for an alternate route through sugar cane fields to be put back on the agenda. However the Federal Government is standing by its proposal. "Roads and Maritime Services has already committed to a range of mitigation strategies, including investing tens of millions of dollars to provide connectivity structures for koalas to move under the new highway; fully fencing nearly 16 kilometres on both sides of the new highway (which will be connected to fauna crossing structures); and planting some 130 hectares of koala food," a statement to the ABC said.

So now we have a complete bastard government (Baird) who will still be in power when the sun goes dead coupled with a Turdball gaining momentum Federally who are both actively slaughtering koalas and nobody thinks voting them out is a good idea? gently caress my life.

Can't have one of the darkie rappers Oh no no no no! But this guy looks legit!

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/anti-islam-party-australian-liberty-alliance/6871700

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Australian Liberty Alliance, new anti-Islam political party, launches federal campaign Wednesday 21 October 2015 8:06AM (view full episode)

Last night, a most unusual political event took place.

A new political party launched its federal campaign, but the public weren't invited. The media was excluded. The location was secret. And the campaign was launched by a foreigner. The Australian Liberty Alliance, an anti-Islam party, was launched by the controversial Geert Wilders, leader of the nationalist Dutch Party for Freedom. After being granted a Visa by the Government, he addressed the invitation-only crowd of 200 last night, outside of Perth. The party made its own recording of the event, though RN Breakfast has not been able to obtain a copy. However, James Carleton spoke before last night's launch with a director of the Australian Liberty Alliance, Andrew Horwood.

In a giant step towards deradicalisation NAZI NAZI NAZI :godwin:

And to finish you off in style a feel good piece!

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/mental-health-expert-warns-its-toxic-to-describe/6871698

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Mental health expert warns it's 'toxic' to describe mental illness as permanent Wednesday 21 October 2015 8:14AM (view full episode)

In all the discussion around mental health�including the ABC's Mental As campaign�there's an emphasis on raising community awareness and acceptance of mental illness. But a British expert says a key word is too often missing from the conversation: recovery. Professor Mike Slade from the Institute of Psychiatry at King's College London, says it's 'toxic' to describe mental illness as a permanent disability. He's the keynote speaker at today's Grace Groom Memorial Oration at the National Press Club in Canberra. Professor Slade joins Fran Kelly on RN Breakfast.

So being made to declare you have a permanent disability ( :wave:

Centerlink) is actively bad for you and prevents recovery? Lucky we aren't doing any of that shi :eng99:

# ? Oct 21, 2015 01:47

Les Affaires: Nov 15, 2004

open24hours posted:

Turnbull really should make him ambassador to Easter Island or something. I hope he's not silly enough to let him do what Rudd did.

Turnbull only has limited options available to him. There's been reports recently that the party has had great difficulty finding board positions for Abbott given everybody knows how he operates now, and so failing that it'd have to be a pretty sweet but safe posting to convince Abbott to jump ship. If he has few employable prospects after being a loving Prime Minister he'll be hanging on as long as possible and it will just fuel the desire to get back into the top job.

Gillard's main error was including him on the front bench as a sign of inclusiveness. Turnbull has kept Abbott on the backbench but can't do anything like expel him from parliament or the party.

# ? Oct 21, 2015 01:47

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

Seagull posted:

Immigration Minister Peter Dutton, who has his own long-term leadership ambitions

Mills mafia game is coming true.

# ? Oct 21, 2015 01:48

Les Affaires: Nov 15, 2004

Seagull posted:

Immigration Minister Peter Dutton, who has his own long-term leadership ambitions

this part made me scoff

# ? Oct 21, 2015 01:48

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Seagull posted:

Immigration Minister Peter Dutton, who has his own long-term leadership ambitions

I never tire of this:

The Austrlian, 2009 posted:

Anyone serious about rebuilding the party knows Dutton cannot be left to become a noble lost cause.

That's because he's one of the toughest young operators on the opposition's front bench. Despite being only 39, a recommendation in itself for a party now likely to be out of office for at least two terms, he has been hardened by government office, serving as minister for workforce participation and as assistant treasurer.

As the years of government roll away from the Coalition it is going to need to conserve the corporate memory of office. Dutton, now in the shadow health portfolio, will be crucial to this process. He's aggressive and he's economically literate.

If Turnbull falls on his sword or is pushed on to it before the next election, Dutton will be a candidate for the deputy leadership, which will accompany that scenario. He'd probably win.

# ? Oct 21, 2015 01:49

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

I still can't believe Julie Bishop came out of the leadership spill without hurting her public reputation at all. It really goes to show what the media doesn't talk about, doesn't exist.

# ? Oct 21, 2015 01:52

BBJoey: Oct 31, 2012

open24hours posted:

Turnbull really should make him ambassador to Easter Island or something. I hope he's not silly enough to let him do what Rudd did.

That's not the way the old boys club works. Nobody wants to set the precedent of "if you oust the former leader immediately give them a poo poo job", because it'll happen to you next.

# ? Oct 21, 2015 01:55

open24hours: Jan 7, 2001

It doesn't have to be a poo poo job, just not one in parliament.

# ? Oct 21, 2015 01:58

BBJoey: Oct 31, 2012

But then you hit a wall in that a) the job has to be important/comfy enough that Tony would accept it, willingly giving up his ambitions to retake his place on the throne b) any job important/comfy enough that Tony would take it doesn't want him because he's a loving dickhead.

# ? Oct 21, 2015 02:00

Zenithe: Feb 25, 2013; _{Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.}

Wait, what?

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Immigration Minister Peter Dutton tabled a bill last week to strengthen requirements for people who are not refugees as described in the Migration Act, but cannot be returned to their home country due to risk of harm.

Who fits this description? HOW does anyone fit this description?

"It's too dangerous to send you back to your home country, but you aren't actually a refugee" - :australia:

# ? Oct 21, 2015 02:01

Synthbuttrange: May 6, 2007

'The revolving door in Australian politics must be jammed shut' - Joe Hockey

'We love you Joe,' says PM, after Joe Hockey's valedictory address

# ? Oct 21, 2015 02:02

Mr Chips: Jun 27, 2007; Whose arse do I have to blow smoke up to get rid of this baby?

Les Affaires posted:

Turnbull only has limited options available to him. There's been reports recently that the party has had great difficulty finding board positions for Abbott given everybody knows how he operates now, and so failing that it'd have to be a pretty sweet but safe posting to convince Abbott to jump ship. If he has few employable prospects after being a loving Prime Minister he'll be hanging on as long as possible and it will just fuel the desire to get back into the top job.

What does Abbott need board positions for? He'll be on 300k + whatever he makes from speaking fees at loon pond functions.

# ? Oct 21, 2015 02:03

open24hours: Jan 7, 2001

BBJoey posted:

But then you hit a wall in that a) the job has to be important/comfy enough that Tony would accept it, willingly giving up his ambitions to retake his place on the throne b) any job important/comfy enough that Tony would take it doesn't want him because he's a loving dickhead.

Assassination it is then.

# ? Oct 21, 2015 02:05

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Mr Chips posted:

What does Abbott need board positions for? He'll be on 300k + whatever he makes from speaking fees at loon pond functions.

He is really bad with money.

Remember that he asked Labor to give him more money when he lost his ministerial salary.

# ? Oct 21, 2015 02:07

Mad Katter: Aug 23, 2010; STOP THE BATS

SynthOrange posted:

'The revolving door in Australian politics must be jammed shut' - Joe Hockey

'We love you Joe,' says PM, after Joe Hockey's valedictory address

Bestdayofmylife.mp3

# ? Oct 21, 2015 02:07

Les Affaires: Nov 15, 2004

Mr Chips posted:

What does Abbott need board positions for? He'll be on 300k + whatever he makes from speaking fees at loon pond functions.

Because it would keep him occupied. They dont' go finding board positions for just anybody who leaves parliament, they do it for people they need to be kept busy so they don't agitate for change.

# ? Oct 21, 2015 02:12

BBJoey: Oct 31, 2012

Doctor Spaceman posted:

He is really bad with money.

Remember that he asked Labor to give him more money when he lost his ministerial salary.

Didn't he have to remortgage his house because of LNP being kicked to opposition?

# ? Oct 21, 2015 02:14

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

Joe Hockey to become washing machine salesman post politics.

# ? Oct 21, 2015 02:16

Les Affaires: Nov 15, 2004

The British had a term called the Remittance Men, which basically describes a person living off regular payments from the family fortune. Sometimes this was because of ambition, but often it was the family trying to get them out of the way and to not cause trouble.

In this case getting one or two board positions for Tony would be similar to the latter scenario. Get him out of the way, keep him busy and keep him fed so he doesn't cause trouble. Really this is what the Labor Party should have done with Rudd except it entails a certain measure of cooperation to do so.

I imagine the LNP will have similar designs for Credlin.

# ? Oct 21, 2015 02:17

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

BBJoey posted:

Didn't he have to remortgage his house because of LNP being kicked to opposition?

Yup.

He asked Albo and Faulkner if Shadow Ministers could get a raise, they said no, and so he took out a new mortgage.

# ? Oct 21, 2015 02:18

Les Affaires: Nov 15, 2004

Wouldn't it be great if the former Prime Minister of this nation had to undergo further education just to be employable...

# ? Oct 21, 2015 02:20

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

What kind of house can a politician not afford?

You never ever hear about any of them being under finacial stress, ever.

# ? Oct 21, 2015 02:20

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

They bought their house for ~400k about 20 years ago, so it's not simply about paying that off.

# ? Oct 21, 2015 02:24

freebooter: Jul 7, 2009

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The former PM remains angry after four weeks on the backbench and has not shed a belief he can get his old job back from Malcolm Turnbull.

This is the funniest thing I've read an ages. Totally believable, too.

I remember a line from an article about how Bush was getting by after leaving office widely hated. Something like, "How do you live with yourself knowing that only 30% of the country approves of you? You just live inside that 30%." And so he was safely ensconced inside Republican neighbourhoods in Texas, having dinner parties with rich landowners, evangelical Christians, that sort of thing. Just curl back up inside your shell and convince yourself that it's the majority who are wrong.

# ? Oct 21, 2015 02:28

Zenithe: Feb 25, 2013; _{Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.}

Anidav posted:

You never ever hear about any of them being under finacial stress, ever.

Related to this, I've always thought that the minor parties and independents could put forward bill after bill proposing a modest pay cut for all MPs.

# ? Oct 21, 2015 02:31

Les Affaires: Nov 15, 2004

freebooter posted:

This is the funniest thing I've read an ages. Totally believable, too.

I remember a line from an article about how Bush was getting by after leaving office widely hated. Something like, "How do you live with yourself knowing that only 30% of the country approves of you? You just live inside that 30%." And so he was safely ensconced inside Republican neighbourhoods in Texas, having dinner parties with rich landowners, evangelical Christians, that sort of thing. Just curl back up inside your shell and convince yourself that it's the majority who are wrong.

Which is all well and good for tony but he's only 57 years old, and if the longevity of former PMs is any measure he has another ~25 years at least to be agitating about his legacy to a dwindling audience. That's a long time to be sitting on your rear end.

His problem is that even if he wants a figurehead position anywhere, people know too well how he operates and aren't willing to take the risk.

# ? Oct 21, 2015 02:32

open24hours: Jan 7, 2001

Why would the minor parties or independents want to take a pay cut?

# ? Oct 21, 2015 02:32

Zenithe: Feb 25, 2013; _{Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.}

open24hours posted:

Why would the minor parties or independents want to take a pay cut?

Because in general politicians are paid far too much, and change will never come from the LNP or the ALP?

# ? Oct 21, 2015 02:35

Tirade: Jul 17, 2001; Cybertron must act decisively to prevent and oppose acts of genocide and violations of international robot rights law and to bring perpetrators before the Decepticon Justice Division; Pillbug

Anidav posted:

What kind of house can a politician not afford?

You never ever hear about any of them being under finacial stress, ever.

Ricky Muir worked a number of low paying jobs and has had a few stints on centrelink so he's got actual experience of being part of the working poor. I seem to remember that after being elected he had to take a loan out to cover living expenses due to the delay in starting in the new senate.

# ? Oct 21, 2015 02:37

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

Doctor Spaceman posted:

Yup.

He asked Albo and Faulkner if Shadow Ministers could get a raise, they said no, and so he took out a new mortgage.

Something something national finances something something family budget.

# ? Oct 21, 2015 02:39

Les Affaires: Nov 15, 2004

Tirade posted:

Ricky Muir worked a number of low paying jobs and has had a few stints on centrelink so he's got actual experience of being part of the working poor. I seem to remember that after being elected he had to take a loan out to cover living expenses due to the delay in starting in the new senate.

Going into the senate will have set Muir up for life, because even if he gets booted out at an election (either DD soon or in 4 years time) he will have built up enough of a reputation that he can use to get better jobs for life.

# ? Oct 21, 2015 02:40

open24hours: Jan 7, 2001

Zenithe posted:

Because in general politicians are paid far too much, and change will never come from the LNP or the ALP?

It's not a vote winner though. They'd be giving up money for nothing.

# ? Oct 21, 2015 02:48

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

open24hours posted:

It's not a vote winner though. They'd be giving up money for nothing.

Well. For the the good of the Australian taxpayer and budget but I guess as far as how they see it your point still stands.

# ? Oct 21, 2015 02:52

Unimpressed: Feb 13, 2013

freebooter posted:

This is the funniest thing I've read an ages. Totally believable, too.

I remember a line from an article about how Bush was getting by after leaving office widely hated. Something like, "How do you live with yourself knowing that only 30% of the country approves of you? You just live inside that 30%." And so he was safely ensconced inside Republican neighbourhoods in Texas, having dinner parties with rich landowners, evangelical Christians, that sort of thing. Just curl back up inside your shell and convince yourself that it's the majority who are wrong.

It feels weird to be writing this, but I reckon GW has way way more self awareness than our Tones.

# ? Oct 21, 2015 02:57

Laserface: Dec 24, 2004

Who in their right mind would hire someone as publicly loving stupid as Abbott?

Oh right, the majority of the population.

# ? Oct 21, 2015 02:58

Les Affaires: Nov 15, 2004

Laserface posted:

Who in their right mind would hire someone as publicly loving stupid as Abbott?

Oh right, the majority of the population.

Then? Sure. Now? No.

# ? Oct 21, 2015 03:00

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

Les Affaires posted:

Then? Sure. Now? No.

Yeah this really was a case of giving someone enough rope to hang themself.

# ? Oct 21, 2015 03:01

Unimpressed: Feb 13, 2013

Been thinking about this. From Tony's perspective, he's three years younger than Malcolm so he's got some time on his side. Malcolm sat down and plotted his return for, what, 6 years? Tony, never to be bested by any man, must be thinking he can come back too. He also looks up to Howard who came back, and I think it would appeal to his infantile romanticism to bide his time and make a comeback.

# ? Oct 21, 2015 03:02

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Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

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The counsel assisting the royal commission into trade unions has recommended criminal charges be brought against three current and former CFMEU officials and a Sydney businessman.

Charges have been recommended against NSW CFMEU official Darren Greenfield and undischarged bankrupt Sydney businessman George Alex over alleged corrupt payments.

They also recommended criminal charges against the head of the CFMEU in Queensland Michael Ravbar and its former president, Dave Hanna, over the destruction of documents.

In September, the royal commission heard allegations at hearings in Brisbane that tonnes of paperwork had been destroyed the same day the inquiry issued the CFMEU with a notice to produce documents.

Destroying documents required by a judicial proceeding is a criminal offence attracting a possible jail term.

The affected parties will be given time to respond to the recommendation.

Last month, the commission heard Mr Ravbar had instructed staff to cover up security cameras at the union's Brisbane offices when boxes of documents were being removed for destruction.

The inquiry heard a police surveillance recording in which Mr Hanna discussed the destruction of "seven tonnes" of documents.

In the recording, Mr Hanna was heard saying "all CFMEU paperwork that was relevant to the subpoena" had been destroyed.

Mr Hanna told the inquiry documents had been shredded in April and taken to a tip in Ipswich on Mr Ravbar's orders.

He has declined to comment on today's recommendations.

Yay organised crime

# ? Oct 21, 2015 03:05

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