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WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!

The Insect Court posted:

First of all, the zaibatsus were mostly dismantled by the US during the postwar occupation. I assume you're referring to keiretsu, which were a postwar phenomenon. You could argue that the banks that they were built on exacerbated the problem by lax lending standards that inflated the asset bubble

Keiretsu, yeah. I knew that they'd been taken down but I'd forgotten the names of the current shambling ghouls. Thanks for clearing that up.

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Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe

VideoTapir posted:

http://www.blockedinchina.net/?siteurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.astrill.com%2F

I think you misunderstand the nature of the problem. Most of the big VPNs have their websites blocked. Without a VPN or something like one, you aren't signing up for a VPN.

There are workarounds: http://www.blockedinchina.net/?siteurl=https%3A%2F%2Fgetastrill.com%2F

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

feedmegin posted:

It kind of was. The Soviet Union collapsed and in the early 90s a whole bunch of American neocon economists and the IMF went over there to show the Russians how to privatise their economy and become a new capitalist paradise where market forces would bring prosperity to all! See this chap, for example -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Sachs#Advising_in_Latin_America_and_postcommunist_economies

Then it all went to poo poo, a few people made out like literal bandits and everyone else starved, yay capitalism.

Anyway a key difference between Japan and Germany versus the Soviet Union is while all three empires more or less collapsed, Russia was never occupied or defeated like the other two. If anything present day Russia is what happens when you leave a rump state of a former empire in a power vacuum and then make conditions miserable enough to completely embitter the population.

Japan and West Germany were also integrated rather successfully in a economic and political relationship with the US while Russia even during the 90s remained on the margins. Japanese and German people generally were satisfied in the post-war environment, living conditions after the war steadily increased and generally the countries did well while the general experience of Russians in the 1990s was basically similar to the Great Depression.

Putin's Russia was a long time coming, and you probably could see it coming from the late 1990s onward.

As for China, I don't think they are ready to give up their ambitions yet either especially since a closer relationship with the West isn't going to give them much they don't already have.

VideoTapir
Oct 18, 2005

He'll tire eventually.

Oh, good.

VideoTapir
Oct 18, 2005

He'll tire eventually.
edit: gently caress

Imperialist Dog
Oct 21, 2008

"I think you could better spend your time on finishing your editing before the deadline today."
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A Malaysian Cantopop artist came to HK for a show and had to sign this before entering the territory.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

Imperialist Dog posted:

A Malaysian Cantopop artist came to HK for a show and had to sign this before entering the territory.



Im the coffee stain

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
Who made him do that? Event company? Malaysian government? HK government? Some angry blue ribbon dude on the street?

Imperialist Dog
Oct 21, 2008

"I think you could better spend your time on finishing your editing before the deadline today."
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Nm, checking source.

Imperialist Dog
Oct 21, 2008

"I think you could better spend your time on finishing your editing before the deadline today."
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It was the Hong Kong music company. Afraid of the publicity I guess. http://www.ejinsight.com/201151019-malaysian-rapper-made-to-sign-no-politics-vow-during-hk-visit/

Kill All Cops
Apr 11, 2007


Pacheco de Chocobo



Hell Gem
That sure worked out for them

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Remember when Xi promised to stop Chinese hacking back in September?

Surprising nobody that turned out to be a total lie.

point of return
Aug 13, 2011

by exmarx
That's one of those things where I'd actually be a little surprised if we didn't break the agreement immediately too tbh.

simplefish
Mar 28, 2011

So long, and thanks for all the fish gallbladdΣrs!


I was watching a YouTube review of From Russia with Love (a Bond film)

The reviewer, upon reaching the scene with the periscope into the Russian embassy, was outraged and said 'I'm pretty sure that's breaking several international agreements!'

No poo poo, he's a spy. He sets off a bomb inside the embassy and teargasses it too in a later scene. Do you think that's legal either?

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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point of return posted:

That's one of those things where I'd actually be a little surprised if we didn't break the agreement immediately too tbh.

What sort of commercial and technological secrets do you think that China has that the US wants?

Because this agreement was specifically about attacks against private entities and individuals, not general intelligencework, which the US readily admitted it engages in and didn't demand China not.

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


it's because chinese companies can't survive without conducting industrial espionage on a massive scale

xi couldn't stop it without causing the country to implode, even if he wanted to

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe

simplefish posted:

The reviewer, upon reaching the scene with the periscope into the Russian embassy, was outraged and said 'I'm pretty sure that's breaking several international agreements!'

No poo poo, he's a spy. He sets off a bomb inside the embassy and teargasses it too in a later scene. Do you think that's legal either?

Espionage is a crime.

simplefish
Mar 28, 2011

So long, and thanks for all the fish gallbladdΣrs!


Bloodnose posted:

Espionage is a crime.

It is also expected of espionage agents and should be expected in a film about espionage agents

Aeolius
Jul 16, 2003

Simon Templeman Fanclub

Fojar38 posted:

Remember when Xi promised to stop Chinese hacking back in September?

Surprising nobody that turned out to be a total lie.

Probably wise to withhold judgment. A cybersecurity expert has criticized CrowdStrike's intel as sloppy:

quote:

[A] 10 year + history of mis-attributing every intellectual property attack that ever happened to the government of China has brought us to the inevitable end result — putting the White House in an uncomfortable diplomatic position with the Chinese government who may very well be keeping its word. ...

How many of those “malicious cyber actors from a variety of nations” use China to launch their attacks from? How many independent, non-state-affiliated Chinese hackers launch their own attacks for fun and profit? And how does Crowdstrike, Mandiant or any other company differentiate between those and actual Chinese government attacks? I’ve been challenging security intelligence companies to answer that question for years and have yet to hear a responsible answer from any of them.

His post also points to a new Foreign Policy article in which the source "walks back" the claim:

quote:

[The reporting of the AP, WaPo, etc.] goes a step too far, Dmitri Alperovitch, the co-founder and chief technology officer of CrowdStrike, said Monday. “We are not stating anywhere that the Chinese are violating the agreement,” he told Foreign Policy in an interview. “It is not up to us to draw that conclusion.” ...

Despite the media reports claiming otherwise, CrowdStrike’s report contains no concrete evidence that such prohibited activities have actually taken place, only an argument by Alperovitch that they were attempted. ...

The CrowdStrike report — and the early reporting around it claiming that it showed a breach of faith by China — represents a huge headache for the White House.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
A Chinese tourist has died in Hong Kong a day after being beaten up during a so-called "forced shopping" tour.

Apparently a tourist on one of the discounted tours got into a fight with the guide after refusing to buy anything from a vendor. Then another one stepped in, got dragged into an alley and beaten up.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-34584235

I was on a couple of tours like this in Turkey, they'd just take you to a leather goods store or something and obviously get kickbacks from any sales made, but there was never any pressure to buy stuff and nobody got beaten up.

VideoTapir
Oct 18, 2005

He'll tire eventually.

simplefish posted:

I was watching a YouTube review of From Russia with Love (a Bond film)

The reviewer, upon reaching the scene with the periscope into the Russian embassy, was outraged and said 'I'm pretty sure that's breaking several international agreements!'

No poo poo, he's a spy. He sets off a bomb inside the embassy and teargasses it too in a later scene. Do you think that's legal either?

Was it Cinema Sins?

simplefish
Mar 28, 2011

So long, and thanks for all the fish gallbladdΣrs!


Nope

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe

simplefish posted:

It is also expected of espionage agents and should be expected in a film about espionage agents

Espionage is a crime and people who commit crimes are criminals and criminals are bad people and bad people cannot be heroes in films.

Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost
Greedo shot first :colbert:

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
Justice is a strict requirement of Chinese film censorship rules. Anti-heroes are not allowed. All criminals must be punished. There are no gentleman thieves. Bad criminal people go to jail and/or die and good people are good and also China must always have a strong central government.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Is the blatant China pandering seen in a lot of recent Hollywood releases actually received well in China because if I were Chinese I would find it condescending as gently caress.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

Fojar38 posted:

Is the blatant China pandering seen in a lot of recent Hollywood releases actually received well in China because if I were Chinese I would find it condescending as gently caress.

I think it's also about getting around the quota on foreign films showing in china.

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
Guess

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

Fojar38 posted:

Is the blatant China pandering seen in a lot of recent Hollywood releases actually received well in China because if I were Chinese I would find it condescending as gently caress.

At least in The Martian that was already a plot point in the book and not just written in for Chinese audiences.

Tupperwarez
Apr 4, 2004

"phphphphphphpht"? this is what you're going with?

you sure?

Fojar38 posted:

Is the blatant China pandering seen in a lot of recent Hollywood releases actually received well in China because if I were Chinese I would find it condescending as gently caress.
You should already know by now that all it takes is vague acknowledgment of something Chinese by a foreign* source for state media and/or Chinese internet to interpret it as the ascendancy of Chinese culture on the global stage.

*white

simplefish
Mar 28, 2011

So long, and thanks for all the fish gallbladdΣrs!


Fojar38 posted:

Is the blatant China pandering seen in a lot of recent Hollywood releases actually received well in China because if I were Chinese I would find it condescending as gently caress.

They have special Chinese-only scenes for their releases too

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
Those of you who have seen Guardians of the Galaxy know that people like to put down Rocket by calling him a "weasel" or a "rodent." Unfortunately, the fact that these are insults was completely lost on those responsible for the translation, and therefore each time were replaced by "small raccoon" - a phase that's much more factual than mean.

After doing his best to distract Ronan with a dance off while Rocket puts together the pieces of his broken Hadron Enforcer, Star-Lord insults the war criminal by calling him a "turd blossom." In the Chinese version, this is replaced by "Big Face." While that's certainly not a very nice thing to say to somebody, and I understand that the phrase may not translate directly, it doesn't seem to be on the same level of meaning.

In the scene where Gamora halts Star-Lord's sexual advances on Knowhere, the warrior woman tells the hero that she will not succumb to his "pelvic sorcery." The funniness of this phrase is rather lost in the Chinese subtitles, where it's replaced by "rhetoric sorcery," which doesn't quite get the message across.

At the very end of the film, Star-Lord and all of his friends have harnessed the power of the Infinity Stone and have truly come together as a team. But when Ronan asks who they are in China, Star-Lord doesn't say, "We’re the Guardians of the Galaxy, bitch," but instead, "We’re the Guardians of the Galaxy, slut." Again, I somewhat get the line of thinking here, but it's also incorrect thinking.

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Tupperwarez posted:

You should already know by now that all it takes is vague acknowledgment of something Chinese by a foreign* source for state media and/or Chinese internet to interpret it as the ascendancy of Chinese culture on the global stage.

*white

Lol

Bro Dad
Mar 26, 2010


In his 11-minute speech, Xi acknowledged that he was addressing the “mother of parliaments”, dating back to the 13th century, but added: “In China, the concept of putting people first and following the rule of law emerged in ancient times.” He noted that one Chinese legal charter went back 2,000 years.

And some other choice bits from the article

quote:

These banners, welcoming the president in carefully arranged sequences of Chinese characters, spelled out messages like “Welcome Big Buddy Xi”. They arrived in large cardboard boxes and were handed out to those waiting, along with smaller flags and T-shirts.

While a small number of banners were clearly homemade, the bulk appeared to have been coordinated by China’s embassy. Labels on the boxes showed they had been initially sent by air from southern China to Beijing. Other boxes showed some flags had then been sent to the Chinese embassy in London using diplomatic freight.

Those holding the banners were, however, largely coy about their origin. One young student said he had printed his banner himself in London. Asked why it was so similar to those held by many others he replied, grinning:“We must have all gone to the same print shop.”

There also appeared to be at least some measure of official organisation. One man from Beijing said he was merely a teacher on holiday in London for a week. However, a group of young Chinese nationals referred to him as their “group leader” and said they could not talk to the media without his approval.

...

The critics have argued Britain has sacrificed positions of principle on human rights and international law in the pursuit of economic benefit from its relationship with China, which some sceptics say the Cameron government has overestimated.

The risks were illustrated on Tuesday with the announcement of job losses in the steel industry. Tata Steel revealed the latest in a series of cuts, costing 1,200 jobs in Scunthorpe and Lanarkshire, which it blamed on the dumping of cheap steel on the world market, particularly by China.

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe

Yeah if there's one thing that China is way into it's ancient documents that protect people under the rule of law.

vanity slug
Jul 20, 2010

quote:

Earlier the heads of state exchanged gifts, with the Queen presenting Xi with a hand-tooled edition of Shakespeare’s sonnets. The Chinese president gave her two CD’s of music by his wife, a celebrated folk singer, Peng Liyuan

stay classy china

Xerxes17
Feb 17, 2011

Jeoh posted:

stay classy china

Could be worse. It could have been two CDs of Xi himself singing. :classiclol:

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

Xerxes17 posted:

Could be worse. It could have been two CDs of Xi himself singing. :classiclol:

Vladimir Putin
Mar 17, 2007

by R. Guyovich
Honestly does anybody use CDs anymore. Just give an iTunes card.

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Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

I think it was Obama who gave the queen an iPod loaded with show tunes, so it's just China ripping off the U.S. again!

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