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Dr. VooDoo posted:Given how badly the idea of a cage freaks the elf out I'm guessing she's had a run in with Dark Elfs I figured that was just a wood elf thing but her backstory definitely lacking right now compared to the other characters.
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Demiurge4 posted:I'd play the hell out of a warrior priest, but he'd be hard to differentiate from the soldier. They're probably going to add another bow focused human character and another mage first though. I think it's just an issue of implementing different archetypes. The WP could easily take a page out of their Warhammer Online counterpart and get a small heal/build up armour per closer quarter attack. The State Trooper can just be pure damage or be able to regularly stagger enemies. I really wish they'd implement more characters and just go all out on the game instead of taking such a measure approach.
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Promontory posted:It's amazing what a difference some good equipment and knowledge of the level can do. I had a game with two new players and a bot and managed to complete the horn level on Normal when a good elf player joined just before the finale. Along the way I witnessed the bright wizard not understanding the overheat thing and blowing themselves up repeatedly, suicidal attacks against stormvermin patrols, fighting a rat ogre indoors, people wandering off at cut off points and lighting the gate barrels on fire. Not a word was spoken until the end. At the tower defense the two new guys got things figured out and did really well, then they got lost trying to get to the elevator. Thankfully it's a short run to the coach. Short of doing cataclysm, items are simply nice perks that make things easier and let you play a class differently, not an actual barrier to entry. You can do Nightmare with all starting white gear on everyone, it will just be hard and unforgiving of mistakes. The biggest barrier of entry is simply learning how to minimize damage taken, how to react to bad situations(getting to a choke for a swarm, getting to the most open area you can for a rat ogre, hiding from stormvermin, etc), and knowing when to let someone die if poo poo goes totally south(if your tanking dwarf gets hooked and dragged into a swarm, let him die instead of chasing to try to save him since everyone will die in the rescue attempt). People are gonna get super mad at new/poor players in every cooperative multiplayer game ever made, and that fact didn't kill Left 4 Dead.
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I haven't played much, or beyond hard, but I have the feeling that the skill rather than equipment is the limit here. A no-damage run seems possible on hard as long as the game doesn't decide to crap on you with specials. Maybe higher number of rats on nightmare and cataclysm make the dream impossible, but I hope red-tier equipment isn't strictly needed to do the higher difficulties.Promontory posted:Hopefully the full game will have a good tutorial like Nosgoth so that new people won't be driven out by "veterans" getting pissy about suboptimal performances. The community is moderately friendly. The only angry comment I've seen is along the lines of "Elf (it's always the elf), stick with the drat group". Maybe it's because there is little time to type. Fat Samurai fucked around with this message at 10:31 on Oct 21, 2015 |
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Some equipment traits are practically necessary for a class to function at full power. The Bright Wizards melee weapon dispersing heat on hits for example. Or extra ammo for the Witch Hunter or Waywalker. I'm sure you could do it with all Whites though if the teams good enough. There's nothing required to succeed, it's just harder without it. The increased push is my favorite trait right now. Particularly for two handers where you can knock them over and then charge up a nice swipe to take them all out.
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Fat Samurai posted:The community is moderately friendly. The only angry comment I've seen is along the lines of "Elf (it's always the elf), stick with the drat group". Maybe it's because there is little time to type. I see more idiot commando dwarf players than I do elf players, honestly.
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The one item attribute that I'd say makes the greatest difference for the purposes of higher difficulties is the heal per hit/kill. Outside of high-intensity situations like objective fights or rat-orgres, the core of the gameplay dynamic can basically be boiled down to getting through the level while trying to minimise the amount of damage you take. Health is basically the one resource that can't be done without, and items to regain it are purposefully limited. So having an item with, say, 7% chance to heal 10% health on a kill means that you'll have ~70-100% more total health than somebody without it.
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Warhammer is kinda ridiculous so I don't see a problem with having whatever characters you want in the group. Add in a sea guard, dark elf, orc, bretonnian yeoman, lizardman, whatever.
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Panzeh posted:Warhammer is kinda ridiculous so I don't see a problem with having whatever characters you want in the group. I mean, the premise is that it's literally the end of the world, and WFB races are all sapient, so there's no reason why they couldn't team up. Plus, putting a high elf and a dark elf in the player characters would mean having literally all of their dialogue towards each other be the snarkiest insults possible. This should be a priority.
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Aztec dinosaurs, please. Not the big ones. The skinks. Slaan Priests with a palanquin also accepted.
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If the game could stop awarding me with loot for the dwarf I would be happy. YoloElf4lyfe!
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Cpt Stabbin posted:If the game could stop awarding me with loot for the dwarf I would be happy. YoloElf4lyfe! It's the only class I have nixed out in the group finder settings. The game knows. 
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Lemon Curdistan posted:I mean, the premise is that it's literally the end of the world, and WFB races are all sapient, so there's no reason why they couldn't team up. The worst part of this game is that you can't have two of the same character player. Having one awkward human and three dwarfs bitching about how life was so much better before would be amazing.
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Kegslayer posted:The worst part of this game is that you can't have two of the same character player. Having one awkward human and three dwarfs bitching about how life was so much better before would be amazing. Or three dwarves making fun of an elf 
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Consider this proposal: Saltzpyre, surrounded by 3 Bright Wizards. 
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Trier posted:Consider this proposal: Saltzpyre, surrounded by 3 Bright Wizards. 80% of everyone's screen real estate is fire.
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Fishstick posted:80% of everyone's screen real estate is fire. Swap Salypyzre out for a Dwarf with flame pistols so that the world can burn properly.
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 Apparently part of the reason for the backend issues was unauthorized tampering with the servers. I guess somebody really wanted some loot.Fatshark posted:You can't play the game currently and we are very sorry for that. We've had to take down our backend for unscheduled maintenance. It's a difficult decision but a few hours ago we had some technical issues with our backend due to failed unauthorized tampering with the servers. We are now tightening up these processes before the release of the game on Friday. This is now our top priority here at Fatshark and we hope to be able to get online again today, Wednesday. We'll keep posting more info as we have it.
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BombiTheZombie posted:I wonder if this constitutes a "Major technical issue" that warrants a progression wipe? Some people want to watch the world burn. Therefore, they should totally wipe everyone's progress   
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BombiTheZombie posted:I wonder if this constitutes a "Major technical issue" that warrants a progression wipe? They said in an earlier quote that they are going to be rolling people back, I guess if they can't do this then a wipe will have to happen. So the loot and levels appearing in peoples accounts just before the servers got brought down was someone finding a way to just give all accounts a bunch of stuff at the server level?
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Stanley Pain posted:Some people want to watch the world burn. Therefore, they should totally wipe everyone's progress Not gonna lie. I would love a reset for release because I haven't been able to play and getting ahead of everyone over the weekend will let me be all 
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Demiurge4 posted:Not gonna lie. I would love a reset for release because I haven't been able to play and getting ahead of everyone over the weekend will let me be all What's that pubbie? You got outfitted in oranges because you kept exploiting beta bugs? Would be terrible if something happened to those
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DreamShipWrecked posted:What's that pubbie? You got outfitted in oranges because you kept exploiting beta bugs? Would be terrible if something happened to those "But but but dont you see, standing underneath the platform in horn of magnus was a legit tactical choice!  "
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I'm actually glad that guy tried to gently caress with the server during beta. Now the vulnerability can be fixed before launch.
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Shadowlz posted:I'm actually glad that guy tried to gently caress with the server during beta. Now the vulnerability can be fixed before launch. Yeah, it's much better to have it happen now and have two days of downtime before the launch than it is to have it happen on launch week and kill the game. Lemon-Lime fucked around with this message at 14:06 on Oct 21, 2015 |
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Lemon Curdistan posted:Yeah, it's much better to have it happen now and have two days of downtime before the launch than it is to have it happen in launch week and kill the game. Yeah big favor. I don't think the game would survive if it happened two weeks after release. But hopefully this teaches them to keep regular backups to keep a rollback to a day at most.
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Release Trailer is out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbREAF-wmEg
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Kanos posted:I see more idiot commando dwarf players than I do elf players, honestly. Nah, it's definitely elves. Me and my buddies either have to play an elf, or deal with a bot if we're not full. Otherwise, some random elf joins, YOLOcharges stormvermin patrols, nades our nads in nightmare or something like that. Though commandwarfs come second. Fat Samurai posted:Not every trailer can be the Horned Rat one, but that's thoroughly bland. Rats not dropping from the rooftops, no fight against the ogre, no banter or special rats... Witch Hunter uncuffs the Bright Wizard right after they get out, so there's some nice touches. My problem is that based dwarfbro does almost nothing, and the elf is actually sticking with the party and not useless.
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Musluk posted:Witch Hunter uncuffs the Bright Wizard right after they get out, Oh, I didn't notice that. Nice. I admit the Witch Hunter part is cool, although it's missing the "skewer a rat's head with a rapier" bit.
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Yeah, I play the elf in my group because if I don't I assume some random legolas shitter will join in and proceed to do nothing or get everyone killed.
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e: ^^^ going to guess its not gameplay stuff, moreso loving with the backend to prevent people from screwing with their servers and giving everyone oranges. I like playing the soldier with the shield/blunderbuss (gently caress you guys saying it sucks, btw; bashing a bunch of rats into a corner with the shield before blowing them all away and beating the few survivors to death with my gun is an activity beyond reproach), but I've been running around as the elf a bit. I keep getting long swords for her and I just loving suck with them. Maybe if I got a better bow I'd be happier with her but man, she really can't cope with crowds too well, and her sniping abilities just don't match up to someone else with a crossbow.
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The longbow is pretty amazing against hordes if you chokepoint them correctly. Fully powered longbow shots will pierce through ratmen killing several with one arrow.
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Tiler Kiwi posted:e: ^^^ going to guess its not gameplay stuff, moreso loving with the backend to prevent people from screwing with their servers and giving everyone oranges. 850MB feels like a lot for something loving with the backend, but we'll see. Also the elf's shortbow is trash garbage, it needs a buff and she should start with the longbow.
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Owners: 70,253 ± 6,934 Steadily going up by 10-20k a day before release. Games apparently on average make about 30% of their sales on pre-orders, so this is looking pretty good. Not sure if it's good enough for their budget though.
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Being able to play (a beta) immediately is going to inflate whatever pre-orders you usually get. edit: but not meaning to sound negative, I think its a good sign. I hadn't really heard anything about this until late but soon as I saw it was good im all over it. Qmass fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Oct 21, 2015 |
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Pimpmust posted:Owners: 70,253 ± 6,934 thats good. I've gotten to be rather fond of these devs after following their blog and how they've been so open during the beta, so I hope this is a success and cash cow for them. Lemon Curdistan posted:850MB feels like a lot for something loving with the backend, but we'll see. maybe they read my groundbreaking critique of the gutter runner's design that i posted in the steam forum that all of one person replied to and have already revamped him that or something else,  also i like the quickbow, tbh. its not a sniping tool, its a mid range crowd sweeping tool, which I find helpful since, like I said, I think her crowd control abilities are wanting. her hagbane bow is the most lovely ranged weapon in the game, imo. Tiler Kiwi fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Oct 21, 2015 |
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