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NLJP posted:This reminds me of going to the Welsh slate quarries with school. Some of them have filled with water and because of the amount of dissolved minerals etc. in the water we were told that the human body was denser than the water so if you fell in you would just straight up sink and drown immediately. That was rather freaky when you were on a cliff over the water with a rather flimsy fence.. Did they at least show you where all those episodes of Dr Who were filmed?
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The wikipedia article on JFK's gravesite has this gem.quote:In December 1982, an intoxicated Salvadoran immigrant broke into the cemetery at night and knelt before the eternal flame. He had a heart attack, fell into the flame, and was burned to death
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Nckdictator posted:The wikipedia article on JFK's gravesite has this gem. cool
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Nckdictator posted:The wikipedia article on JFK's gravesite has this gem. Couldn't be Salvaged.
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This article was posted on the nytimes this morning, definitely creeped me out. Rutgers philosophy professor falls in love with a mentally disabled man she's treating through "facilitated communication," ie, ostensibly helping him type out complex thoughts on a keyboard that he's unable to vocalize or otherwise communicate. I'd never heard of this before, but apparently it has some support among parents of autistic children, etc. Pretty disturbing that the woman seems to have subconsciously projected all her erotic ideals onto one of her patients and ended up raping him. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facilitated_communication http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/25/m...v=top-news&_r=0 quote:At the conference, I interviewed, through typing, a teenager named Matt who spoke only in echolalic phrases — things he had heard and couldn’t help repeating. ‘‘Aunt June will be right back!’’ he kept shrieking. ‘‘Nobody’s having bread! Where’s Aunt June?’’ But with a facilitator’s left hand on his shoulder and her right hand beneath his armpit, he spelled out a sober proclamation: ‘‘I came here to affirm a commitment to facilitated communication. I would spend life locked in a prison of silence without it.’’ quote:A week later, Anna recalled, the couple tried to have sex in Anna’s office at Conklin Hall, with condoms, a blanket and an exercise mat. It didn’t work, and they ended up just sitting on the floor together, Anna talking and D.J. typing. Anna asked him if he might want to see some pornography, ‘‘to see what things looked like and different positions people used and that sort of thing.’’ She said she wouldn’t want to pay for porn or watch anything offensive, but that she would be O.K. with finding free clips on the Internet that depicted couples engaging in mutually pleasurable intercourse. He demurred, typing out that in his view the women in porn are being exploited, and that, besides, Anna was more beautiful than any porn star, and he really wanted to be thinking only about her when they finally made love. prick with tenure has a new favorite as of 21:48 on Oct 20, 2015 |
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prick with tenure posted:This article was posted on the nytimes this morning, definitely creeped me out. Rutgers philosophy professor falls in love with a mentally disabled man she's treating through "facilitated communication," ie, ostensibly helping him type out complex thoughts on a keyboard that he's unable to vocalize or otherwise communicate. I'd never heard of this before, but apparently it has some support among parents of autistic children, etc. Pretty disturbing that the woman seems to have subconsciously projected all her erotic ideals onto one of her patients and ended up raping him. On the other hand it's really heartbreaking to see parents of autistic kids and such honestly convinced that this lets them really communicate with their children for the first time. 
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AnonSpore posted:On the other hand it's really heartbreaking to see parents of autistic kids and such honestly convinced that this lets them really communicate with their children for the first time. Yeah, sort of like parents of dead children seeing a medium to speak with them again. But at least there the person once actually existed. Here the "person" writing poetry and expressing all these articulate, thoughtful ideas is just a product of the parents' wishful thinking - that's what's creepy to me, what it says about people's subconscious and how powerful transference / the drive to project can be. Sad and disturbing what desperate people will believe. Also, the lady seems legitimately crazy, and was clearly a true believer in "facilitated communication" and that all this was consensual. That she's being sent to prison for decades is disturbing in itself. prick with tenure has a new favorite as of 22:25 on Oct 20, 2015 |
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This whole thing reminds me of the relationship between teacher and student in Flowers for Algernon. I found it intensely disturbing how infatuated she already was with him before he started his transformation and how quickly she tried to get her leg over while he was still pretty much a social and emotional cripple, let alone being mentally retarded. But that's fiction I guess so eh.
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I don't see her being sent to prison for decades as disturbing - what happened was rape, the patient didn't consent, and couldn't with the IQ of a very young child, no matter what her Ouija board said. Regardless, sexual relationships between a doctor and their patient is considered unethical, she would have known that.
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monster on a stick posted:I don't see her being sent to prison for decades as disturbing - what happened was rape, the patient didn't consent, and couldn't with the IQ of a very young child, no matter what her Ouija board said. Regardless, sexual relationships between a doctor and their patient is considered unethical, she would have known that. uhhh
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prick with tenure posted:This article was posted on the nytimes this morning, definitely creeped me out. Rutgers philosophy professor falls in love with a mentally disabled man she's treating through "facilitated communication," ie, ostensibly helping him type out complex thoughts on a keyboard that he's unable to vocalize or otherwise communicate. I'd never heard of this before, but apparently it has some support among parents of autistic children, etc. Pretty disturbing that the woman seems to have subconsciously projected all her erotic ideals onto one of her patients and ended up raping him.  I mean holy poo poo that whole thing was disturbing as hell, but then she pleads "what about my daughter?" Uh, what about your daughter when you were sexually assaulting a patient who had the cognitive ability of a 3 year old?!
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Tibor posted:This whole thing reminds me of the relationship between teacher and student in Flowers for Algernon. I found it intensely disturbing how infatuated she already was with him before he started his transformation and how quickly she tried to get her leg over while he was still pretty much a social and emotional cripple, let alone being mentally retarded. But that's fiction I guess so eh. Some philosophical rabbit holes aren't meant to be gone too far into. Sometimes you don't come back.
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Everyone here knows that it is the woman typing all that and that the patient never actually communicates, right? It seems like some of you are buying into it and it is all bullshit, not some, all of it.
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Infyrno posted:Everyone here knows that it is the woman typing all that and that the patient never actually communicates, right? It seems like some of you are buying into it and it is all bullshit, not some, all of it. Indeed. It is less accurate than a Ouija board.
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Infyrno posted:Everyone here knows that it is the woman typing all that and that the patient never actually communicates, right? It seems like some of you are buying into it and it is all bullshit, not some, all of it. The article even mentions that they asked the guy questions only he would know the answers to with the woman "facilitating" and somehow the magic didn't work that time. Probably because t was the wrong moon phase or some other bullshit excuse.
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monster on a stick posted:The article even mentions that they asked the guy questions only he would know the answers to with the woman "facilitating" and somehow the magic didn't work that time. Probably because t was the wrong moon phase or some other bullshit excuse. "It's not 100%, anyone that says it is is lying, hehehehe...."
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Last Chance posted:uhhh Uhhh what?
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monster on a stick posted:The article even mentions that they asked the guy questions only he would know the answers to with the woman "facilitating" and somehow the magic didn't work that time. Probably because t was the wrong moon phase or some other bullshit excuse. I've always wondered if the guy who wrote the butterfly and the diving bell was being taken advantage of too but I guess if he could actually blink in reponse to questions it'd be pretty easy to figure out
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Oh good my first can't-look-away-even-though-I-desperately-want-to trainwreck from this thread.
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Aesop Poprock posted:Uhhh what? As a drooling retard with the mind of an infant, I actually think it would be pretty good if the girl who's typing this for me sucked my dick.
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gentle pete posted:As a drooling retard with the mind of an infant, I actually think it would be pretty good if the girl who's typing this for me sucked my dick. Lucky guy
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There isn't anything about that story that isn't heartbreaking in some way.
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Adix posted:Oh good my first can't-look-away-even-though-I-desperately-want-to trainwreck from this thread. Took the under on post 525.5. Really kicking myself now.
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Facilitated communication has been exposed as quackery since before the 1993 PBS doc "Prisoners of Silence," available free on YouTube. Syracuse still employs one of the biggest dipshits in the whole industry, last I heard. He's featured prominently in the doc.
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monster on a stick posted:The article even mentions that they asked the guy questions only he would know the answers to with the woman "facilitating" and somehow the magic didn't work that time. Probably because t was the wrong moon phase or some other bullshit excuse. So what about that autistic girl who can supposedly only communicate by typing on a laptop? Honestly curious; is that bullshit too and she's just another worthless retard with gullible parents?
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Astrofig posted:So what about that autistic girl who can supposedly only communicate by typing on a laptop? Honestly curious; is that bullshit too and she's just another worthless retard with gullible parents? I have no idea what case you are talking about, but assuming they are using FC - it is bullshit and she has gullible parents. I'd say the parents and the therapist are the real worthless retards because they have a choice and should know better.
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I forget the girl's name but she's fourteen, too autistic to speak, and constantly spazzes all over the place. Her mother insists that one day she spontaneous typed 'help hurts' on her mom's laptop just before she puked all over the couch. Since then they've been coaching her to type out what she wants instead of tantruming and spazzing like a five-year-old; she's even 'writing a book'. I should note this girl also underwent years and thousands of dollars' worth of the best speech and occupational therapy her parents could afford as a child, to apparently little success. Edit: here's the segment they did on her; her name is Carly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xsfNrG5Bnw
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Astrofig posted:I forget the girl's name but she's fourteen, too autistic to speak, and constantly spazzes all over the place. Her mother insists that one day she spontaneous typed 'help hurts' on her mom's laptop just before she puked all over the couch. Since then they've been coaching her to type out what she wants instead of tantruming and spazzing like a five-year-old; she's even 'writing a book'. I should note this girl also underwent years and thousands of dollars' worth of the best speech and occupational therapy her parents could afford as a child, to apparently little success. I really don't know. When the reporter was there she typed nothing and when she did, it wasn't spelled correctly, compared to what they were showing in the rest of the program (obviously she has poor motor skills but still.) There's a bit of sense in preferring written communication over spoken, since one of the major issues that people on the spectrum have is understanding the "non-verbal" parts of communication. Doing a little research, it looks like she "decided" to try ECT (!!!!) which, I dunno man, that is pretty horrifying. In the show, I don't think she had the mental capacity of a toddler, but now, who knows, it sounds like she regressed pretty bad.  As an aside - there was a movie made about Temple Grandin (a well-known autistic who designs cattle slaughterhouses because of course) years ago with Claire Danes. I saw Dr. Grandin speak a year or two ago and holy poo poo did Danes nail that performance. Great movie if you have the chance.
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The really disturbing things here are the posters saying things like "worthless retards" in reference to mentally disabled adults.
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nocal posted:Facilitated communication has been exposed as quackery since before the 1993 PBS doc "Prisoners of Silence," available free on YouTube. Just got done watching it. An extremely interesting doc, and very sad. I was impressed though by the people they interviewed who had invested so much in FC, including their careers, but were able to face the music when the undeniable evidence that it's bogus came in. That there are such people is really a lot more surprising than seeing the people at the conferences who just dug in their heels in response. The number of allegations of sexual assault that come through FC is also very remarkable. Why should that happen? Here's the doc: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzCGux7qD1c
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painted bird posted:The really disturbing things here are the posters saying things like "worthless retards" in reference to mentally disabled adults. They really should save those sorts of slurs for goons.
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Frostwerks posted:They really should save those sorts of slurs for goons. I thought that's what "goon" meant 
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gentle pete posted:As a drooling retard with the mind of an infant, I actually think it would be pretty good if the girl who's typing this for me sucked my dick. im sure your mom wouldnt mind
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monster on a stick posted:I really don't know. When the reporter was there she typed nothing and when she did, it wasn't spelled correctly, compared to what they were showing in the rest of the program (obviously she has poor motor skills but still.) There's a bit of sense in preferring written communication over spoken, since one of the major issues that people on the spectrum have is understanding the "non-verbal" parts of communication. Doing a little research, it looks like she "decided" to try ECT (!!!!) which, I dunno man, that is pretty horrifying. In the show, I don't think she had the mental capacity of a toddler, but now, who knows, it sounds like she regressed pretty bad.
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painted bird posted:The really disturbing things here are the posters saying things like "worthless retards" in reference to mentally disabled adults.  they have worth in that everyone here can look at them and go "drat, at least I'm not retarded like painted bird" and then we feel better about ourselves.(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Huh, apparently that missing baby they found dead last week was left rotting in his crib until his mother complained about the smell, and only then did he get dumped in the woods. She also apparently knew the father was abusing the baby but made no move to stop him. http://news.yahoo.com/body-9-week-old-allegedly-220800537.html
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Astrofig posted:Huh, apparently that missing baby they found dead last week was left rotting in his crib until his mother complained about the smell, and only then did he get dumped in the woods. She also apparently knew the father was abusing the baby but made no move to stop him. Looks like that kid...... never had a chance. 
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ravenkult posted:im sure your mom wouldnt mind Oh thanks I just remembered that mother who wrote into a newspaper or something about how healthy it is that she masturbates her retarded adult son edit: I guess it was a dad http://www.rdm.co.za/lifestyle/2015/07/02/why-i-m-masturbating-my-disabled-son Aesop Poprock has a new favorite as of 12:48 on Oct 21, 2015 |
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Strudel Man posted:ECT doesn't really deserve the exclamation marks. Despite a checkered past, it's today a quite legitimate treatment for certain forms of mental illness (though autism isn't one of them, at least not in itself). They claimed it was for OCD but still it's going to have an effect if she has multiple illnesses.
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Aesop Poprock posted:Oh thanks I just remembered that mother who wrote into a newspaper or something about how healthy it is that she masturbates her retarded adult son Ha, he was upset because someone said him slapping one out of his mentally retarded son was "incestuous". Doesn't incest mean sexual contact between closely related individuals? What the hell else would you call it?
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