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Mitt Romney posted:I think Ryan knows he's not going to get anywhere in Presidential politics and that being Speaker is the most power he'll ever get. I think he desperately wants to be speaker and he also desperately likes being begged to do so. I think you are seriously underestimating Ryan's ridiculous ego.
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Mitt Romney posted:I think Ryan knows he's not going to get anywhere in Presidential politics and that being Speaker is the most power he'll ever get. I think he desperately wants to be speaker and he also desperately likes being begged to do so. I think you're mistaken. He's very much a minimal effort maximum reward kind of guy, and W&M is plenty powerful without the danger of actually having to work for a living. Plus, I think he really would rather be with his family than wrangling his caucus. He's a politician with restrained ambitions. Hard as that is to believe, he isn't feigning reluctance.
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Oct 21, 2015 20:55
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Ron Jeremy posted:John Brennan was using an AOL account in tyol 2007? Captain_Maclaine posted:Reminder that a Times of Israel blogger posted an article entitled "When Genocide is Permissible" during the last round of Gazan fighting last summer, which to its credit that news organization quickly pulled and shortly after banned the author. greatn posted:Well it's spectacular that he was storing sensitive information on a loving AOL account. And if you have the balls to try and steal the identity of the director of the CIA, good fuckin luck. You are gonna need it. Ashcans posted:If you had asked me 'where do I find the CIA director's email', I would not have answered AOL in a hundred guesses. Maybe he was on to something?
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Oct 21, 2015 20:59
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Three Olives posted:I think you are seriously underestimating Ryan's ridiculous ego. I still don't get why he thought those bro-lifting photos were a good idea.
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Oct 21, 2015 20:59
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Captain_Maclaine posted:I still don't get why he thought those bro-lifting photos were a good idea. Probably the same thought process that led to "hey let's go 'help out' at a soup kitchen. When no one is there. And they don't need help. And we have to basically force our way in."
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Oct 21, 2015 21:04
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Captain_Maclaine posted:I still don't get why he thought those bro-lifting photos were a good idea. Appealing to the ylls millennial crowd.
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Hulk Krogan posted:Probably the same thought process that led to "hey let's go 'help out' at a soup kitchen. When no one is there. And they don't need help. And we have to basically force our way in." Also ruining the cookware and wasting the commercial dish soap.
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Oct 21, 2015 21:08
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Hulk Krogan posted:Probably the same thought process that led to "hey let's go 'help out' at a soup kitchen. When no one is there. And they don't need help. And we have to basically force our way in." And then use undiluted industrial soap that actually makes the dishes he poses with unsafe to use without further cleaning. DemeaninDemon posted:Appealing to the ylls millennial crowd. You'd think he'd have posed with a big glass of suet if that was the case.
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Oct 21, 2015 21:08
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Captain_Maclaine posted:And then use undiluted industrial soap that actually makes the dishes he poses with unsafe to use without further cleaning. Slow on the draw there. 
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Oct 21, 2015 21:11
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Captain_Maclaine posted:And then use undiluted industrial soap that actually makes the dishes he poses with unsafe to use without further cleaning. Yeah he's far too scrawny. Needs to squat and eat jellied animal fat shakes all day.
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Oct 21, 2015 21:12
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Electric Bugaloo posted:Worth a read about the Rightward swing that Israel's been in over the past 20 years The most recent This American Life was about this topic as well. Interesting but also very depressing.
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Oct 21, 2015 21:13
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Three Olives posted:I think you are seriously underestimating Ryan's ridiculous ego. That is a good point. Peztopiary posted:I think you're mistaken. He's very much a minimal effort maximum reward kind of guy, and W&M is plenty powerful without the danger of actually having to work for a living. Plus, I think he really would rather be with his family than wrangling his caucus. He's a politician with restrained ambitions. Hard as that is to believe, he isn't feigning reluctance. This is the same guy who on election day in 2012 was giddy because he thought they were going to win and was already picking out replacements for himself on his committee. His family excuses is a bullshit way of saying he's doesn't want to bother doing any fundraising like Boehner has. He's a power hungry politician, just like 99% of them are. You're eating up PR from his team.
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Oct 21, 2015 21:14
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Can democrats stop with the "we have the work together to end partisan gridlock" talking points? Is there ANYONE who is won over by that line of thinking?
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Oct 21, 2015 21:15
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mcmagic posted:Can democrats stop with the "we have the work together to end partisan gridlock" talking points? Is there ANYONE who is won over by that line of thinking? The kind of democrat that is voting for Hillary in the primary?
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Oct 21, 2015 21:17
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Mitt Romney posted:This is the same guy who on election day in 2012 was giddy because he thought they were going to win and was already picking out replacements for himself on his committee. Yeah as a family man, I can say that spending time with screaming children is not nearly as satisfying as holding the fate of millions in my hands.
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mcmagic posted:Can democrats stop with the "we have the work together to end partisan gridlock" talking points? Is there ANYONE who is won over by that line of thinking? How else do you suggest the Republican controlled House and Senate pass a bill that the Democratic President will sign?
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mcmagic posted:Can democrats stop with the "we have the work together to end partisan gridlock" talking points? Is there ANYONE who is won over by that line of thinking? Pundits, when the democrats use that to mean "let's do everything the Republicans want." It's a really narrow strategy.
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mcmagic posted:Is there ANYONE who is won over by that line of thinking? Beltway pundits Edit: God dammit.
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Oct 21, 2015 21:18
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When the Raiders of the Tortilla Coast refuse to budge they're real FREEDUM Americans.
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mcmagic posted:Can democrats stop with the "we have the work together to end partisan gridlock" talking points? Is there ANYONE who is won over by that line of thinking? Radbot posted:The kind of democrat that is voting for Hillary in the primary? what
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Oct 21, 2015 21:23
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I'm really curious about Jeb!'s plan to move the Department of the Interior out west and deregulate the BLM. Without the details it is unclear which interest groups this is a give-away to, or if it is all of them.
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DemeaninDemon posted:When the Raiders of the Tortilla Coast refuse to budge they're real FREEDUM Americans. Why aren't Democrats willing to negotiate with them? This seems to be a failing of Democrats rather than of the HFC, in my opinion! --some pundit on CNN Trabisnikof posted:I'm really curious about Jeb!'s plan to move the Department of the Interior out west and deregulate the BLM. Without the details it is unclear which interest groups this is a give-away to, or if it is all of them. It's probably an attempt to try to set up a dog whistle for Bundy Ranch types without outwardly saying he agrees with them because of the consequences of saying that outright.
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Oct 21, 2015 21:24
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This is your seemingly weekly or daily reminder that the public have never blamed the Democrats for government shutdowns.
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Oct 21, 2015 21:28
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:This is your seemingly weekly or daily reminder that the public have never blamed the Democrats for government shutdowns. Not exclusively. But they do get the blame, only as part of the standard "both sides are bad!" game plan. quote:According to the poll, 63% of those questioned say they are angry at the Republicans for the way they have handled the shutdown.
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Oct 21, 2015 21:31
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:This is your seemingly weekly or daily reminder that the public have never blamed the Democrats for government shutdowns. Obama's poll numbers were more damaged from the 2011 debt ceiling crisis compared to the GOP. That's even with Obama offering a poo poo ton of stuff in the negotiations.
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Oct 21, 2015 21:32
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:This is your seemingly weekly or daily reminder that the public have never blamed the Democrats for government shutdowns. If only that affected elections.
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Oct 21, 2015 21:33
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I remember the last debt ceiling crisis going pretty well for Dems until Healthcare.gov poo poo itself a few weeks later (and for the next few months).
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They say they want to work together because the Republicans can't even pick a speaker so it's really easy to take the position that you'd love to work together with them and be perceived as the reasonable party.
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Oct 21, 2015 21:34
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Built 4 Cuban Linux posted:I remember the last debt ceiling crisis going pretty well for Dems until Healthcare.gov poo poo itself a few weeks later (and for the next few months). That was the last shutdown, which was in 2013, which was followed up by a crushing mid term win by the GOP in 2014. The last debt ceiling crisis was in 2011.
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Built 4 Cuban Linux posted:I remember the last debt ceiling crisis going pretty well for Dems until Healthcare.gov poo poo itself a few weeks later (and for the next few months). Sort of. But the public loves the heck out of compromise: quote:While the GOP doesn't fare well in the poll, the poll suggests that the public is looking for almost as much compromise from the Democrats as from the Republicans in any bipartisan agreements.
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Oct 21, 2015 21:39
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A lot of Colombians wanted to compromise with Pablo as well. What I'm saying is send in Delta Force.
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Most depressing thing is if we did default, I bet enough people would see the ruin as proof of their strength and of the Other's weakness to get a fascist movement going. GOP's risking everything over chump change and it feels like absurdist fiction. Best case scenario, I'm dead ~40 years out. If these maniacs blow it up, things will never be okay again. tl;dr: Nonsense posted:What I'm saying is send in Delta Force.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Sort of. But the public loves the heck out of compromise: I mean, when you're considering that the poll includes Republican voters that's really not so bad. I'm sure there are plenty of moderate conservatives who hate the gridlock and brinksmanship, but in a perfect world their solution would be for Dems to just give up and let the assholes they elected run amok.
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Nonsense posted:A lot of Colombians wanted to compromise with Pablo as well. What I'm saying is send in Delta Force. Chuck Norris is a Conservative.
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Nonsense posted:A lot of Colombians wanted to compromise with Pablo as well. What I'm saying is send in Delta Force. Hey rear end in a top hat thanks for spoiling Narcos for us.
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Sweeping electoral reform is more probable than there ever being any semblance of compromise between the two parties. And history has shown that when there is compromise, it's the Democrats that are the first to do so.
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Chalets the Baka posted:Sweeping electoral reform is more probable than there ever being any semblance of compromise between the two parties. And history has shown that when there is compromise, it's the Democrats that are the first to do so. How on earth do you think sweeping electoral reform would occur without a semblance of compromise between the two parties?
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Peztopiary posted:I think you're mistaken. He's very much a minimal effort maximum reward kind of guy, and W&M is plenty powerful without the danger of actually having to work for a living. Plus, I think he really would rather be with his family than wrangling his caucus. He's a politician with restrained ambitions. Hard as that is to believe, he isn't feigning reluctance. No, he's gone Gault. It's actually a principled stance. gently caress you, country, I'm headed to the Gulch!
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Trabisnikof posted:How on earth do you think sweeping electoral reform would occur without a semblance of compromise between the two parties? 
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Internet Webguy posted:The most recent This American Life was about this topic as well. Interesting but also very depressing. I listened to it today and can't recommend it enough. I'm almost embarrassed by how shocked I was when I heard what the conspiracy theory was. I thought it would be that right-wing elements in the government killed Rabin and framed a stooge. Oh, no, actually, Rabin tried to fake an assassination attempt on himself and then hosed it up and died. And the resulting wave of sympathy for Rabin resulted in... twenty years of right-wing rule and the literal and figurative demolition of the Oslo process. At least with Trutherism, the cui bono principle leads to the theory down a path resembling logic. Rabin trutherism is just pure 
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