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CharlieFoxtrot
Mar 27, 2007

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So can non force-users have force-users as companions now? That was always such a thing that made me feel like a second-class citizen.

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StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Has anyone figured out what to do for crafting in the new expansion yet?

Berke Negri
Feb 15, 2012

Les Ricains tuent et moi je mue
Mao Mao
Les fous sont rois et moi je bois
Mao Mao
Les bombes tonnent et moi je sonne
Mao Mao
Les bebes fuient et moi je fuis
Mao Mao


PvP is pretty easy once you get the gist of each map, some classes are easier to just drop in and kill dudes and if you're not used to raid healing just stick to dps.

If its any of the maps with three CTF objectives you just need to make sure your team is holding two of three to win. Lot of people make the mistake to go for all three but unless your team is really dominating you'll get stretched too thin and lose objectives. If you're guarding a point make sure to call out whenever you see enemy players approaching and how many.

Huttball just kill everyone, preferably the person with the ball. If you're unlucky enough to get the ball just throw it at the biggest type 4 power tech on your team and hope for the best. CC helps a lot if you have it.

The bomb one is going to just be an endless zerg at your objectives. Try your best to kill everyone with aoe to interrupt as many people as possible trying to arm bombs.

The Ilum pylon one is fairly straightforward. Protect your one pylon or brawl with people in the middle area. There's like shiny things in the middle you can grab and take back to your pylon for more points.

If it is team deathmatch you are going to gently caress up and your team will hate you but those are over in like two minutes so whatever.

Either way unless your team is just crushing it there's always going to be one guy losing their poo poo on how terrible everyone is, so you can just ignore them. Their score is almost always really lousy too anyways.

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS

CharlieFoxtrot posted:

So can non force-users have force-users as companions now? That was always such a thing that made me feel like a second-class citizen.

Without going into detail, yes.

StashAugustine posted:

Has anyone figured out what to do for crafting in the new expansion yet?

Right now augments are easy money as they only require the standard purple mat. I'd go Armormech for main stat or Armstech for power.

Artifice took a huge hit and has nothing really new craftable other than some non-modifiable lightsabers and offhands which are really good but aren't SUPER good. And they require semi-rare mats.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Also how different is healing gear from normal gear? Can you just have one set of gear and call it a day by respeccing when you need to?

e:

CharlieFoxtrot posted:

So can non force-users have force-users as companions now? That was always such a thing that made me feel like a second-class citizen.

There's always Ensign Temple!

Ainsley McTree
Feb 19, 2004


In team death match, just agree with your teammates on which opponent to focus on first (usually the healer). Your opponent will probably anticipate your choice and outclass you miserably but you did your job it's not your fault


No I don't have a chip on my shoulder from bad PVP experiences why would you think that

Nipponophile
Apr 8, 2009

Cythereal posted:

I hate PvP in most MMOs and have never touched it in this game.

I hate PVP in every MMO. I'm still Valor 62 on my merc somehow.

It says a lot more about my inability to find something productive to do with my free time than the quality of SWTOR PVP.

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS

Ainsley McTree posted:

In team death match, just agree with your teammates on which opponent to focus on first (usually the healer). Your opponent will probably anticipate your choice and outclass you miserably but you did your job it's not your fault


No I don't have a chip on my shoulder from bad PVP experiences why would you think that

The problem with this is that once you guys all decide who to kill first and click their names in the bar, the other team knows thanks to target of target who you're going after and adjust strategy accordingly - if they're intelligent, that is.

StashAugustine posted:

Also how different is healing gear from normal gear? Can you just have one set of gear and call it a day by respeccing when you need to?

For most content should be fine, as long as you're not doing hard mode content.

Berke Negri
Feb 15, 2012

Les Ricains tuent et moi je mue
Mao Mao
Les fous sont rois et moi je bois
Mao Mao
Les bombes tonnent et moi je sonne
Mao Mao
Les bebes fuient et moi je fuis
Mao Mao


Ainsley McTree posted:

In team death match, just agree with your teammates on which opponent to focus on first (usually the healer). Your opponent will probably anticipate your choice and outclass you miserably but you did your job it's not your fault


No I don't have a chip on my shoulder from bad PVP experiences why would you think that

I think almost every team deathmatch I've been in has been a negative experience. The groups are always really lopsided one way or the other and there's a lot less margin for error then in other matches.

Then again like I said they're over in like two minutes and a loss still counts so

Ainsley McTree
Feb 19, 2004


Medullah posted:

The problem with this is that once you guys all decide who to kill first and click their names in the bar, the other team knows thanks to target of target who you're going after and adjust strategy accordingly - if they're intelligent, that is.


For most content should be fine, as long as you're not doing hard mode content.

Are hard mode FPs now hard enough to require optimal gearing? I know the game's been out for a day so I don't know why I expect people to have answers to endgame questions but what the heck

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

StashAugustine posted:

Also how different is healing gear from normal gear? Can you just have one set of gear and call it a day by respeccing when you need to?

e:


There's always Ensign Temple!

What I reccomend is always pick the healing gear while leveling up Unless the healing gear has Alacrity, and the DPS gear doesn't have Accuracy.

In a pinch you can always DPS in Healing gear with no accuracy(or you could get a couple of pieces of high accuracy gear to swap out and be fine.

Unless you are super hardcore raider in which case you will get whatever gear you want and have 2 optimized sets because gently caress you that's why.

Noirex
May 30, 2006

So if I wasn't subbed early enough for the Nico Okarr Companion, is he forever out of reach or do I still get him at some point in the new ex pac story?

Turbl
Nov 8, 2007


SWTOR PvP is the only MMO PvP I've ever liked. Huttball is the greatest thing ever and I will fight anyone who disagrees.

People really can be dicks about it, but they're usually really awful players themselves. Just spit on them or something.

Fuzz
Jun 2, 2003

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waffledoodle posted:

Try clicking around, there's a sweet spot to the top right of the title bar where you can still drag it. There's a bug in the hotspot logic that I think was always there but which I might have made worse :downswords:

Also guys

If you see any other broke rear end things in the UI please let me know. Specifically bugs or things that got hosed in all of the 4.0 madness. I'm working on shortlist of fixes to try and get into the next couple of baby patches before I move onto phase 2 of Operation gently caress You Previous UI Guy. And for some reason goons are good at finding these things

The Crew Skills pane has no way of doing your current creating bonuses with each companion, you have to open the new Alliance thing and mouse over their portrait to see the current bonuses pop up.

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS

Ainsley McTree posted:

Are hard mode FPs now hard enough to require optimal gearing? I know the game's been out for a day so I don't know why I expect people to have answers to endgame questions but what the heck

We ran Athiss yesterday and it was just as hard as it was when ROTHC hit. Which wasn't impossible, and I'm guessing gear is a lot less important than knowing your class and knowing the pulls are.

What annoys me is the tacticals are hard as poo poo. We did Mandalorian Raiders earlier today and I died like 4 times to trash pulls. Bosses are easy because they have the healing stations but there were some pulls where the level 20 tank couldn't get aggro off my 65 Hatred Assassin for some bizarre reason and I crumpled. It seems tacticals would be easier now with a standard tank, heal, dps setup too rather than the faceroll they were two days ago.

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS

Fuzz posted:

The Crew Skills pane has no way of doing your current creating bonuses with each companion, you have to open the new Alliance thing and mouse over their portrait to see the current bonuses pop up.

Remember, there is no individual crafting bonuses now - all crafting bonus is tied to influence. No more Vette +5 treasure hunting, etc.

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.
So if I have this right every time you talk to your companions you build influence which helps various stats, like crafting whether or not they approve of what you say and do. BUT... what you say and do affects how much they like you and that stat is hidden, and if they dislike you enough that can eventually have repercussions.

So instead of really unshackling you from having to please a companion you want to keep around they just offloaded it to a different number that you can't even see?

Commissar Kip
Nov 9, 2009

Imperial Commissariat's uplifting primer.

Shake once.

Noirex posted:

So if I wasn't subbed early enough for the Nico Okarr Companion, is he forever out of reach or do I still get him at some point in the new ex pac story?

I want to know this as well, seeing as I resubbed too late.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

Medullah posted:

The problem with this is that once you guys all decide who to kill first and click their names in the bar, the other team knows thanks to target of target who you're going after and adjust strategy accordingly - if they're intelligent, that is.


For most content should be fine, as long as you're not doing hard mode content.

The war relic companion quest requires winning 20 unranked warzones. I think I'll wait until next week when there will be loads of clueless PvP newbies like me pissing off the hardcore PvP types.

Ainsley McTree
Feb 19, 2004


Medullah posted:

We ran Athiss yesterday and it was just as hard as it was when ROTHC hit. Which wasn't impossible, and I'm guessing gear is a lot less important than knowing your class and knowing the pulls are.

What annoys me is the tacticals are hard as poo poo. We did Mandalorian Raiders earlier today and I died like 4 times to trash pulls. Bosses are easy because they have the healing stations but there were some pulls where the level 20 tank couldn't get aggro off my 65 Hatred Assassin for some bizarre reason and I crumpled. It seems tacticals would be easier now with a standard tank, heal, dps setup too rather than the faceroll they were two days ago.

Hopefully as players level and improve their gear this gets to be less of a problem; it seems like an odd direction for the game to take, to make the leveling content such that you can do it without ever speaking to a human, and then to make the endgame content hard as poo poo and require people to be really good at their class

It's the main thing I was worried about when they announced the "a return to storytelling" direction so hopefully this doesn't stay an issue. Id love to be able to just randomly jump in the GF queue without wanting to kill myself

Ainsley McTree
Feb 19, 2004


Commissar Kip posted:

I want to know this as well, seeing as I resubbed too late.

You get him as part of kotfe, no need to worry :)

Ossipago
Nov 14, 2012

Muldoon

Noirex posted:

So if I wasn't subbed early enough for the Nico Okarr Companion, is he forever out of reach or do I still get him at some point in the new ex pac story?


Currently only available if you subbed during the eligibility window. But EA likes money, so I would expect sometime in the future (not anytime soon to avoid rage from the subs) you'll have the option with CC.

Reference: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=8448741#edit8448741

"And it is worth repeating, that Nico is only accessible to those subscribers who qualified for him."

Fuzz
Jun 2, 2003

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Medullah posted:

Remember, there is no individual crafting bonuses now - all crafting bonus is tied to influence. No more Vette +5 treasure hunting, etc.

Yes and that bonus scales with influence, which is the only thing you can see on that pane. You can't see the specific percentage bonuses at all, which is what I'm asking.

Noirex
May 30, 2006

Ossipago posted:

Currently only available if you subbed during the eligibility window. But EA likes money, so I would expect sometime in the future (not anytime soon to avoid rage from the subs) you'll have the option with CC.

Ainsley McTree posted:

You get him as part of kotfe, no need to worry :)

Which one is it? :shobon:


Edit: Nvm, reading through that linked thread, seems like you can't get him at all if you missed the deadline. Which is annoying, had that been clear I would have done so. Oh well.

Noirex fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Oct 21, 2015

Ainsley McTree
Feb 19, 2004


Noirex posted:

Which one is it? :shobon:

The in-game Mail i got with my nico summon seemed to say that he would be available in chapter 9 of kotfe, and I definitely saw someone get a "recruit nico the hard way" achievement

Maybe I misread it and even that is only available to early subbers?

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS

Noirex posted:

Which one is it? :shobon:


Edit: Nvm, reading through that linked thread, seems like you can't get him at all if you missed the deadline. Which is annoying, had that been clear I would have done so. Oh well.

Yep, he was an exclusive to KOTFE rewards. Ainsley is wrong - you only get him if you were subbed by 8/10. There are two options to get him if you qualified - instantly or as part of the story.

Don't worry though, he's really nothing special.

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS
BTW something I noticed which is nice - if you're trying to farm augment kit components, you now get them for reverse engineering things like hilts, mods, enhancements, augments, etc.

Noirex
May 30, 2006

Medullah posted:

Yep, he was an exclusive to KOTFE rewards. Ainsley is wrong - you only get him if you were subbed by 8/10. There are two options to get him if you qualified - instantly or as part of the story.

Don't worry though, he's really nothing special.

I assumed he has his own unique story line etc, but if he's like Treek with just a few convos then it doesn't sting as much.

Ainsley McTree
Feb 19, 2004


Medullah posted:

Yep, he was an exclusive to KOTFE rewards. Ainsley is wrong - you only get him if you were subbed by 8/10. There are two options to get him if you qualified - instantly or as part of the story.

Don't worry though, he's really nothing special.

Ah, my mistake then. Oops.

I'm afraid you missed out on your exclusive "man with guns" companion then

If only there were a dozen others to choose from :(

Tuskin38
May 1, 2013

Have you seen these posts?
They're pretty popular on Reddit.
Has the Lucasfilm logo always been attached to the game, or was that added with 4.0?

I made my Instant Level 60 a Knight just to steal the armour for a costume slot on my main Knight.

I plan on playing him eventually as Dark Side.

Also! Auto Complete in Compose Mail now includes your alts!

Tuskin38 fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Oct 21, 2015

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS

Noirex posted:

I assumed he has his own unique story line etc, but if he's like Treek with just a few convos then it doesn't sting as much.

Only "conversation" is the recruiting one. Not even like Treek with a storyline.

Noirex
May 30, 2006

Ainsley McTree posted:

I'm afraid you missed out on your exclusive "man with guns" companion then

If only there were a dozen others to choose from :(

I like his hat and beard :(

Medullah posted:

Only "conversation" is the recruiting one. Not even like Treek with a storyline.

That clears things up more then, thanks!

ZypherIM
Nov 8, 2010

"I want to see what she's in love with."

Fuzz posted:

Yes and that bonus scales with influence, which is the only thing you can see on that pane. You can't see the specific percentage bonuses at all, which is what I'm asking.

Uh, just hover over the influence bar. It gives the exact amount of what your influence level gives in terms of presence, crew skill time, and crew skill crit.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Is there a reason my game is trying to patch itself again?

Berke Negri
Feb 15, 2012

Les Ricains tuent et moi je mue
Mao Mao
Les fous sont rois et moi je bois
Mao Mao
Les bombes tonnent et moi je sonne
Mao Mao
Les bebes fuient et moi je fuis
Mao Mao


StashAugustine posted:

Is there a reason my game is trying to patch itself again?

Because the hardest enemy in this game is the launcher.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Tuskin38 posted:

Has the Lucasfilm logo always been attached to the game, or was that added with 4.0?

It was added with 4.0. Seems to be more evidence that TOR is being considered part of the new continuity.

Ainsley McTree
Feb 19, 2004


Berke Negri posted:

Because the hardest enemy in this game is the launcher.

I've been happy ever since I jumped through the hoops to turn off bitraider (which I had to do because the launcher inexplicably chose to stop working).

Someone posted the steps a few pages ago; it requires redownloading the entire game but it's been well worth it, I think.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

This is after I had to redownload the entire game to make it actually patch yesterday :saddowns:

Nerd Of Prey
Aug 10, 2002


I'm going to talk about the story in this post but it's NOT SPOILERS so don't worry.


One of the things I've really been enjoying about the new story is that it actually cuts away to the bad guys now and then and shows them plotting against you. I guess it tips the balance a little bit from immersive RPG experience to cinematic experience, and that might not be everybody's cup of tea, but I feel like it adds depth, adds to the sense of urgency (with those "oh poo poo they're onto us" moments), and gives you a way better sense of the big picture. Most of all, it makes it feel more like Star Wars.

Now that I've seen this in the game, I feel like it's something that was distinctly missing from earlier story arcs, and it could have really added a lot. There were always certain bad guys like the Voidwolf where you're supposed to be in the climax of act 3 and you're still like "who the gently caress is the Voidwolf?" If it had cut away for a few seconds to show him plotting your demise or outmaneuvering you, it would have added some gravitas to the boss fight. The game always had some decent villains *in theory*, but they only ever felt like proper villains if you got to know them a little bit, as people. A lot of them are just names that get muttered when they send thugs after you, and that's just not dramatic.

Anyway, this was, to me, the #1 most positive change in terms of overall gameplay. The intro cinematic gave the bad guys an emotional grounding at the start, and the occasional cutaway to their point of view kept them fresh in your mind and completely changed the tone of the player's scenes. Two thumbs way up for this.

Unrelated note:

I had saved up a ton of companion conversations to do after the level cap went up and the affection system changed. I had several characters I leveled up during 12x where I'd feed a shitload of gifts to all my buddies but never actually talk to them. So yesterday, before I got rolling with the new stuff, I took a few minutes on my chosen character to finish those conversations, and I took the romance path with a companion. (Doc, with a female knight.) Much to my surprise, when Doc wanted to get married, there was an actual wedding ceremony scene with vows and stuff. I don't remember that from any of my previous characters getting "married." I swear I'd done that same companion romance arc before on another character, and the actual wedding was off-screen. Maybe I just have a terrible memory, but was this a new addition? It really has been a while since I bothered to "marry" an NPC, since I don't ever think of it as "canon" for my characters, just an excuse to see more story content.

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Berke Negri
Feb 15, 2012

Les Ricains tuent et moi je mue
Mao Mao
Les fous sont rois et moi je bois
Mao Mao
Les bombes tonnent et moi je sonne
Mao Mao
Les bebes fuient et moi je fuis
Mao Mao


Fojar38 posted:

It was added with 4.0. Seems to be more evidence that TOR is being considered part of the new continuity.

Likewise I doubt its a coincidence that 4.0 just happened to drop the morning after the first trailer for episode seven was aired.

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