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sassassin
Apr 3, 2010

by Azathoth
If this game is going to make me download 19gb every time it patches it can go gently caress itself tbqh

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StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Fojar38 posted:

It was added with 4.0. Seems to be more evidence that TOR is being considered part of the new continuity.


Does this mean killiks are canon now :smith:

Fuzz
Jun 2, 2003

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StashAugustine posted:

Does this mean killiks are canon now :smith:

I thought they specifically said they were released from having to get approval and poo poo with the whole Legacies thing.

Ainsley McTree
Feb 19, 2004


Nerd Of Prey posted:

I'm going to talk about the story in this post but it's NOT SPOILERS so don't worry.


One of the things I've really been enjoying about the new story is that it actually cuts away to the bad guys now and then and shows them plotting against you. I guess it tips the balance a little bit from immersive RPG experience to cinematic experience, and that might not be everybody's cup of tea, but I feel like it adds depth, adds to the sense of urgency (with those "oh poo poo they're onto us" moments), and gives you a way better sense of the big picture. Most of all, it makes it feel more like Star Wars.

Now that I've seen this in the game, I feel like it's something that was distinctly missing from earlier story arcs, and it could have really added a lot. There were always certain bad guys like the Voidwolf where you're supposed to be in the climax of act 3 and you're still like "who the gently caress is the Voidwolf?" If it had cut away for a few seconds to show him plotting your demise or outmaneuvering you, it would have added some gravitas to the boss fight. The game always had some decent villains *in theory*, but they only ever felt like proper villains if you got to know them a little bit, as people. A lot of them are just names that get muttered when they send thugs after you, and that's just not dramatic.

Anyway, this was, to me, the #1 most positive change in terms of overall gameplay. The intro cinematic gave the bad guys an emotional grounding at the start, and the occasional cutaway to their point of view kept them fresh in your mind and completely changed the tone of the player's scenes. Two thumbs way up for this.

Unrelated note:

I had saved up a ton of companion conversations to do after the level cap went up and the affection system changed. I had several characters I leveled up during 12x where I'd feed a shitload of gifts to all my buddies but never actually talk to them. So yesterday, before I got rolling with the new stuff, I took a few minutes on my chosen character to finish those conversations, and I took the romance path with a companion. (Doc, with a female knight.) Much to my surprise, when Doc wanted to get married, there was an actual wedding ceremony scene with vows and stuff. I don't remember that from any of my previous characters getting "married." I swear I'd done that same companion romance arc before on another character, and the actual wedding was off-screen. Maybe I just have a terrible memory, but was this a new addition? It really has been a while since I bothered to "marry" an NPC, since I don't ever think of it as "canon" for my characters, just an excuse to see more story content.

Agreed. Another thing I like is that the characters actually banter with each other in a charming way that makes them seem like humans. Even Lana got a line that made me laugh, in chapter 3 or 4 i swear, if you say "three minutes"...

Obviously this only lasts as long as the story does, so I'm hoping there's enough poo poo to do when I'm done to keep me interested, but it's definitely night and day compared to the storytelling before.

Berke Negri
Feb 15, 2012

Les Ricains tuent et moi je mue
Mao Mao
Les fous sont rois et moi je bois
Mao Mao
Les bombes tonnent et moi je sonne
Mao Mao
Les bebes fuient et moi je fuis
Mao Mao


If I recall the last cantina event the devs were like "welllll were not movie grade canon but were four thousand years in the past so we basically get to do whatever we want because the main series isn't going to touch it"

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

Fuzz posted:

I thought they specifically said they were released from having to get approval and poo poo with the whole Legacies thing.

IIRC the KotFE trailer had to be approved by Lucasfilms

Promethium
Dec 31, 2009
Dinosaur Gum

Nerd Of Prey posted:

I don't remember that from any of my previous characters getting "married." I swear I'd done that same companion romance arc before on another character, and the actual wedding was off-screen. Maybe I just have a terrible memory, but was this a new addition? It really has been a while since I bothered to "marry" an NPC, since I don't ever think of it as "canon" for my characters, just an excuse to see more story content.

Companion story scenes haven't ever changed as far as I know. Female Jedi Knight and Female Smuggler both have an official ceremony as an on-screen option.

Defiance Industries
Jul 22, 2010

A five-star manufacturer


Promethium posted:

Companion story scenes haven't ever changed as far as I know. Female Jedi Knight and Female Smuggler both have an official ceremony as an on-screen option.

I know the Male Smuggler can marry Risha which means you become a King but I don't remember anyone else.

Beeme
Oct 7, 2013
Man, this new jedi knight armor is so sweet it makes me want to start one. Why can't we juggs get armor this sweet. I'm trawling through Tor Fashion trying to come up with an outfit but it's rough. I can't deal standing side by side with these plot npcs in their nicely designed armor while I have this mismatched set of clown gear. :smith:

Fritz Coldcockin
Nov 7, 2005

Beeme posted:

Man, this new jedi knight armor is so sweet it makes me want to start one. Why can't we juggs get armor this sweet. I'm trawling through Tor Fashion trying to come up with an outfit but it's rough. I can't deal standing side by side with these plot npcs in their nicely designed armor while I have this mismatched set of clown gear. :smith:

Hey man that's nice gear

FOR A CLOWN TO WEAR

AT THE CIRCUS

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Okay is there a way to force the game to *not* patch? I don't wanna sit through this poo poo again

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Fuzz posted:

I thought they specifically said they were released from having to get approval and poo poo with the whole Legacies thing.

lol if you think that Disney doesn't see :10bux: in the simple act of saying "Yep totally main continuity again."

Nerd Of Prey
Aug 10, 2002


Promethium posted:

Companion story scenes haven't ever changed as far as I know. Female Jedi Knight and Female Smuggler both have an official ceremony as an on-screen option.

OK, I knew there was a possibility I just hadn't seen it before or it was so long ago I forgot. Maybe the last time I had a female knight character, she played the "Jedi can't get married" card.

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS

Nerd Of Prey posted:

OK, I knew there was a possibility I just hadn't seen it before or it was so long ago I forgot. Maybe the last time I had a female knight character, she played the "Jedi can't get married" card.

Another reason I enjoy the male Knight storyline. "Hey Kira girl, I love you but marriage is forbidden among Jedi and besides, we don't need anything like that to show our love. Now, go sweep the ship while I talk to this freaky albino Sith chick in private..."

Berke Negri
Feb 15, 2012

Les Ricains tuent et moi je mue
Mao Mao
Les fous sont rois et moi je bois
Mao Mao
Les bombes tonnent et moi je sonne
Mao Mao
Les bebes fuient et moi je fuis
Mao Mao


Isn't the dopey looking healer for inquisitor supposed to be the romance option for females? That's got to be an interesting pairing for DS runs.

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

No, it's the pirate.

Airspace
Nov 5, 2010
I wish it was the archaeologist.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Berke Negri posted:

Isn't the dopey looking healer for inquisitor supposed to be the romance option for females? That's got to be an interesting pairing for DS runs.

Less weird than Vector

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS

Berke Negri posted:

Isn't the dopey looking healer for inquisitor supposed to be the romance option for females? That's got to be an interesting pairing for DS runs.

What's your in game name I'm kicking you out of the guild for talking poo poo about Talos. I only wish I could romance grampa with my female inquisitor!

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS

StashAugustine posted:

Less weird than Vector

It's like an orgy of millions with just the two of you.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

Medullah posted:

What's your in game name I'm kicking you out of the guild for talking poo poo about Talos. I only wish I could romance grampa with my female inquisitor!

According to the TOR encyclopedia, Talos is supposed to be only in his 20s, and in fact several years younger than Andronikos. :v:

KOTFE introduces a new romance option for everyone, too.

Ainsley McTree
Feb 19, 2004


Medullah posted:

It's like an orgy of millions with just the two of you.

He can do some real dr. manhattan poo poo, except its huge bugs

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.

Medullah posted:

It's like an orgy of millions with just the two of you.

Certainly complicates getting consent.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

trigger warning: troy denning

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.
Man, You haven't lived til you've participated in Joiner Bug Orgies.

Hulk Smash!
Jul 14, 2004

OK, I've barely scratched the surface with crafting on 4.0 but it looks like my Artificer can now only craft 178 hilts as the highest level (besides RE-ing some stuff)? That poo poo's level 56. Where do I get sweet level 60-65 recipes? :saddowns:

I do like that - eventually after many hours of crafting them - I'll have mostly emptied my storage by crafting a ton of assembly components from loose mats.

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS

Cythereal posted:

According to the TOR encyclopedia, Talos is supposed to be only in his 20s, and in fact several years younger than Andronikos. :v:

KOTFE introduces a new romance option for everyone, too.

Yeah I know, but being an old adventure lover fits his character so much better.

Berke Negri
Feb 15, 2012

Les Ricains tuent et moi je mue
Mao Mao
Les fous sont rois et moi je bois
Mao Mao
Les bombes tonnent et moi je sonne
Mao Mao
Les bebes fuient et moi je fuis
Mao Mao


Medullah posted:

What's your in game name I'm kicking you out of the guild for talking poo poo about Talos. I only wish I could romance grampa with my female inquisitor!

Hey, I liked Talos, I just found it weird to think of him and the inquisitor having anything common enough for love. Or the inquisitor being in love at all. No clue where I was mistaken on that option though.

This makes me realize my affection is real low with most the inquisitor comps cause I blew through the story real quick. Guess I should wrap those up now that they're all unlockdd.

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS

Hulk Smash! posted:

OK, I've barely scratched the surface with crafting on 4.0 but it looks like my Artificer can now only craft 178 hilts as the highest level (besides RE-ing some stuff)? That poo poo's level 56. Where do I get sweet level 60-65 recipes? :saddowns:

I do like that - eventually after many hours of crafting them - I'll have mostly emptied my storage by crafting a ton of assembly components from loose mats.

Sheesh read my drat posts. The only way to get higher than 186 mods (including hilts, etc) and relics is to reverse engineer raid drops. :( They want crafter's making their money off the blue 208+ gear that's non moddable.

Hulk Smash!
Jul 14, 2004

Medullah posted:

Sheesh read my drat posts. The only way to get higher than 186 mods (including hilts, etc) and relics is to reverse engineer raid drops. :( They want crafter's making their money off the blue 208+ gear that's non moddable.

Missed that. Feh. That sucks :(

waffledoodle
Oct 1, 2005

I believe your boast sounds vaguely familiar.

Dexo posted:

IIRC the KotFE trailer had to be approved by Lucasfilms

They made Abrams watch it, too.

That's right JJ, watch the video games :douche:

wtftastic
Jul 24, 2006

"In private, we will be mercifully free from the opinions of imbeciles and fools."

Medullah posted:

What's your in game name I'm kicking you out of the guild for talking poo poo about Talos. I only wish I could romance grampa with my female inquisitor!

He's supposed to be 27.

How, I don't know. Also yes, /gkick for hating Talos.

Hulk Smash!
Jul 14, 2004

Medullah posted:

Sheesh read my drat posts. The only way to get higher than 186 mods (including hilts, etc) and relics is to reverse engineer raid drops. :( They want crafter's making their money off the blue 208+ gear that's non moddable.

So, right now what's the way to get a higher level crafted or comms mainhand besides raiding? Those crafted non-moddable ones? I like the look of my weapon as is, thank you very much :colbert:

wtftastic
Jul 24, 2006

"In private, we will be mercifully free from the opinions of imbeciles and fools."

StashAugustine posted:

trigger warning: troy denning

i read the first one of those books. I was so excited for the post yuhzahn vong poo poo, and then I read that and said, "yeah i'm done".

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS

Hulk Smash! posted:

So, right now what's the way to get a higher level crafted or comms mainhand besides raiding? Those crafted non-moddable ones? I like the look of my weapon as is, thank you very much :colbert:

190 mods are as high as you're getting without raiding. Luckily there's now several options for main hand drops from ops so no need to stalk poor Revan.

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.
Yeah. I still need to break myself of the bad habits.

I keep forgetting that there are appearance tabs to save looks regardless of the gear.

Nipponophile
Apr 8, 2009

Medullah posted:

190 mods are as high as you're getting without raiding. Luckily there's now several options for main hand drops from ops so no need to stalk poor Revan.

Apparently you can get a 220 mainhand from HM Soa? Even with level scaling and re-balancing and what have you, I'm pretty sure we'll be facerolling through EV again in no time.

Empress Theonora
Feb 19, 2001

She was a sword glinting in the depths of night, a lance of light piercing the darkness. There would be no mistakes this time.
KotFE romance questions (and feel free to spoil the poo poo out of things answering it, since I'd rather be spoiled than gently caress up my main's story):


I'm assuming the Lana Beniko romance continues if you did it in SoR and Ziost, right? Is it viable even if you're super Light Side and piss her off constantly? Would having done another romance before SoR (I did Quinn's out of a sense of dreary obligation before I knew you could be gay) gently caress it up?

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS

Nipponophile posted:

Apparently you can get a 220 mainhand from HM Soa? Even with level scaling and re-balancing and what have you, I'm pretty sure we'll be facerolling through EV again in no time.

Yeah, though I suspect it's going to be rough for healers and tanks for a while. We did Athiss last night and holy poo poo it's like day 1 ROTHC.

I wouldn't be opposed to trying to do TFB in group finder tonight if enough of us want to give it a whirl.

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Tuskin38
May 1, 2013

Have you seen these posts?
They're pretty popular on Reddit.
Chapter 8 Spoilers: Is there any way to save HK-55?

Also when you finish Chapter 8, there will be a crafting bench with a lore plaque next to it, use it. It gives you some mods and a Legacy main hand.

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