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Also not only is Wally West considered derivative, Barry Allen is too. And I'm not sure the creator of Jay Garrick is around to get paid for the recent episodes since he isn't derivative.
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Oct 21, 2015 22:07
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X-O posted:Also not only is Wally West considered derivative, Barry Allen is too. And I'm not sure the creator of Jay Garrick is around to get paid for the recent episodes since he isn't derivative. Jesus Christ. Barry Allen being considered derivative is pretty hosed up, considering how much money he's probably going to be pulling in for the company over the next few years. Does that whole thing have anything to do with the Superboy rights case from several years ago?
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Oct 21, 2015 22:31
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Why would you not consider Barry Allen to be derivative?
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Oct 21, 2015 22:50
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ToastyPotato posted:Jesus Christ. Barry Allen being considered derivative is pretty hosed up, considering how much money he's probably going to be pulling in for the company over the next few years. Does that whole thing have anything to do with the Superboy rights case from several years ago? I don't have a link handy and I'm posting from a phone, but google Gerry Conway's post about derivative works from earlier this year. Again I think they called and made nice with him because he went public about it, but it's an interesting read.
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I really liked Wentworth Miller's read of his whispered apology to Barry after Colden Father shot him. Just the right amount of sincerity. And Peyton List has really good chemistry with the actor playing Cisco, they're a cute couple.
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X-O posted:I don't have a link handy and I'm posting from a phone, but google Gerry Conway's post about derivative works from earlier this year. Again I think they called and made nice with him because he went public about it, but it's an interesting read. http://gerryconway.tumblr.com/post/117619743363/who-created-caitlin-snow-on-theflash-according Wow. He mentions Superboy briefly here: quote:This was the tortured logic National Periodical Publications tried to use back in the 1940s when Siegel and Shuster sued National for the rights to Superboy. National (the company that preceded DC) argued that Superman was the original creation, which Siegel and Shuster sold to National, and that Superboy was just a “derivative” creation. A court-appointed legal referee found that Superboy was in fact a unique creation and that National was guilty of copyright infringement. Sadly for Siegel and Shuster (and for creators everywhere), legal expenses forced the creators to sell National the rights to Superboy in a consent decree that obscured this fundamental finding. But the finding is pretty clear: It wasn't the case I was thinking since it is much older by 60 years, but it was more directly related. The breakdown at the end is 
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DC changed their policy because of the bad press but since that several characters have been added to DCUTV with altered names so they flat out do not have to pay anyone. Like the above Jay Jackson and Mr Terrific on Arrow having a new first name.
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Oct 21, 2015 23:12
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I like that they made the new TV Mr Terrific gay even though I realize they probably did that so voters would not see him as a threat to Olicity and thus immediately distrust and dislike him.
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greatn posted:I like that they made the new TV Mr Terrific gay even though I realize they probably did that so voters would not see him as a threat to Olicity and thus immediately distrust and dislike him. He never said he was gay, just that he had a husband. He could still be bi and derail the Olicity ship.
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Oct 22, 2015 00:23
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Whatever, being married also makes him a non threat on that front, although I don't want to disrespect any of you who may be polyamorous.
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Rhyno posted:DC changed their policy because of the bad press but since that several characters have been added to DCUTV with altered names so they flat out do not have to pay anyone. Like the above Jay Jackson and Mr Terrific on Arrow having a new first name. That level of corporate rules lawyering double speak is almost funny.
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I need to catch up on Arrow, I watched the first episode and Thea's delight in being Speedy was adorable.
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SirDan3k posted:That level of corporate rules lawyering double speak is almost funny. It get's better, they won't pay out for a derivative character, and they won't pay out the creator of whoever it's a derivative of, because it's not their character. Like say you invented Space Lad, and it was a huge success, eventually you stop writing it and Bob Jones takes over and introduces Space Gal who's even more popular. DC makes a Space Gal movie, you don't get money because you didn't invent Space Gal, and Bob Jones doesn't get money because Space Gal is a derivative of Space Lad.
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And yet Len Wein claims he's seen way more money from Lucius Fox than he ever has from Wolverine. What exists had to be fought for tooth and nail and we still have this situation. Rights and royalties are complex, confusing and despite in the end only creators seem to lose.
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Oct 22, 2015 11:30
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Is the situation at Marvel worse or better then? Or the same?
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As far as anyone knows it's the same at both Marvel and DC. You don't automatically get paid and you have to do the homework for each use of your creations in order to get paid and even then they will try avoid paying. DC reversed their position on Killer Frost because of the bad PR in the end but this won't be the end of it. You'll notice that many of the new characters being brought into the DCTVU will be creations of Geoff Johns who just so happens to be an Executive Producer. And when they bring in established characters expect them to have enough changes so that the creators can be paid less.ToastyPotato posted:Is the situation at Marvel worse or better then? Or the same? Ed Brubaker got a screen credit and a check for Winter Soldier but he didn't say how much. Marvel sold a fuckload of WS trades last year so he probably got a good stack of royalty checks as well.
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Oct 22, 2015 16:42
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Didn't Dixon say something about getting more for Bane royalties than anything he ever did for writing comics?
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Madkal posted:Didn't Dixon say something about getting more for Bane royalties than anything he ever did for writing comics? I believe he also said he made more money off the first time Bane was in a film because of the volume of toys that sold back then.
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ToastyPotato posted:Is the situation at Marvel worse or better then? Or the same? Technically worse because they don't even have a policy, but they probably end up paying just as many people.
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I thought the situation at DC got worse as they fired Paul Levitz as President and he had a policy of paying creators.
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Oct 22, 2015 19:19
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Very positive new Jessica Jones review from MTV: http://www.mtv.com/news/2356176/jessica-jones-spoiler-free-review/
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bobkatt013 posted:I thought the situation at DC got worse as they fired Paul Levitz as President and he had a policy of paying creators. Yeah, Levitz was good for creators. It's believed that he blocked any Watchmen sequels from happening during his tenure, for example. Jenette Kahn was reportedly creator friendly too. Lightning Lord fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Oct 22, 2015 |
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Oct 22, 2015 21:08
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Levtiz may have forgotten how to tell an interesting story but he was a paragon of creators rights. It's hilarious that the second he was gone they announced Before Watchmen.
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Rhyno posted:I believe he also said he made more money off the first time Bane was in a film because of the volume of toys that sold back then. Didn't he also create the character with licensing in mind so he owns the character rather than DC? Or something similar.
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RevKrule posted:Didn't he also create the character with licensing in mind so he owns the character rather than DC? Or something similar. He does have some sort of unique contract but I don't recall. And he unfriended me on Facebook so I can't ask him directly.
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Barry Convex posted:Very positive new Jessica Jones review from MTV: Sounds awesome. Glad to hear positive words about it before it drops.
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Rhyno posted:Levtiz may have forgotten how to tell an interesting story but he was a paragon of creators rights. It's hilarious that the second he was gone they announced Before Watchmen. If they wanted to upset him, why couldn't they have done something like reprint the Legion of Super-Heroes stuff he's meant to have blocked from being collected? 
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Oct 22, 2015 23:27
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Watching arrow. Totally forgot Mr Terrific was going to be on this show!
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The only question is if it's gonna be Holt, or Diggle that actually goes into the field with the stuff. Dig's 'costume' is a helmet with a T-shaped visor and a leather jacket that could easily take some FAIR PLAY iron-ons.
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Goyer has talked a little about his Krypton prequel series and it looks like this one might actually be set in the movie continuity seeing as he described it as taking place "200 years before Man of Steel."
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muscles like this? posted:Goyer has talked a little about his Krypton prequel series and it looks like this one might actually be set in the movie continuity seeing as he described it as taking place "200 years before Man of Steel." He means John Byrne's MoS.
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 says that at some point in the first season, Kem-El or whomever gets thrown through space time and ends up on modern day Earth where he spends the rest of the season. He will then fall in love with an Earth WO-MAN who returns to Krypton with him to become Jor-El's mother.
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Barry Convex posted:Very positive new Jessica Jones review from MTV: I'm really looking forward to JJ but some of those points are kinda bad, particularly #4. The DD fight scenes were amazing because they were well made fight scenes, not because it's martial arts fighting. "JJ can throw dudes" is not a particularly compelling reason to watch a show.
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Zachack posted:I'm really looking forward to JJ but some of those points are kinda bad, particularly #4. The DD fight scenes were amazing because they were well made fight scenes, not because it's martial arts fighting. "JJ can throw dudes" is not a particularly compelling reason to watch a show. Jesus Christ that fight scene at the end of Episode 2 is top five fight scene ever (talking Daredevil).
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Zachack posted:I'm really looking forward to JJ but some of those points are kinda bad, particularly #4. The DD fight scenes were amazing because they were well made fight scenes, not because it's martial arts fighting. "JJ can throw dudes" is not a particularly compelling reason to watch a show. One of the things about JJ is that as soon as she got powers she sewed a costume and started heroing. She never trained or learned to fight so her relying on brute strength to "just throw dudes" is actually true to the comic and character.
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Rhyno posted:One of the things about JJ is that as soon as she got powers she sewed a costume and started heroing. She never trained or learned to fight so her relying on brute strength to "just throw dudes" is actually true to the comic and character. I know, I've read Alias, but as Skwirl said, DD had some amazing fights. Like "no blinking for minutes on end" fight scenes. The article says JJ's scenes are better but the reason given doesn't really speak to the high bar DD set.
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Zachack posted:I know, I've read Alias, but as Skwirl said, DD had some amazing fights. Like "no blinking for minutes on end" fight scenes. The article says JJ's scenes are better but the reason given doesn't really speak to the high bar DD set. Well I guess we'll see in a month but I'm sure they have their reasons. Why would they want to make a show identical to DD? Also I found out I have 89 hours of unused vacation time so I took Nov 20th and 21st off so I can binge watch without having to worry about spoilers.
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nosophoros posted:Maybe this has been subject of discussion earlier but I'm super eager for the Punisher in Daredevil's season two. Maybe just maybe it'll be a decent portrayal of the character for once!
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iZombie continues to be the best tv show based on a comic.
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