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ehh I'm sure it would end up creating a zero-point energy source somehow in a hilarious bug
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Giant sliding tile puzzles.
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That's a sexy magmaworks. For fort design, I largely don't. My primary "design" concerns are security from outside threats and internal madness. My first few layers will have stairs down, short tunnel, stairs down, short tunnel, stairs down, short tunnel, and then central staircase the rest of the way down. I should really do this with the entire height of the fort (because of werecreatures), with lockable bridges/doors on every level, but I usually don't have time for that early on and just end up drilling straight down. Farms, beast pasturing and processing, and depot/primary storage on soil/sand. Mining on the first few levels because it's usually where my iron and coal are, shops on the first stone layer below that, shop stockpiles below that, Grand Hall below that, food/booze stockpile below that, then 5-10 levels of straight down to the bedrooms (for noise). Then either all the way down to magma, or sometimes 5-10 z-levels (depending on caverns) to make the magmaworks, and pump it up. Usually, it's easier to carve out worker housing, eateries, and stockpiles with forges at the lava layer. Those extra buffer layers also give me some room for deeper mining for gold and such without interfering with rooms. My room aesthetic is "square" and "small" and "where I need it". Offices and lever rooms are branched off from random hallways around the Grand Hall level. Bedroom designs are dorms near the farms for processing (behind the forward barracks), then 2-3 levels of 12-room blocks to minimize long walking for the first 150 dwarves or so. It's boring, it's only minimally efficient, and the doors/gates use is pretty prison-like. I make peripheral redundancies for moods and such outside the main shop areas where work can be done that's either unimportant or temporary primary production while waiting for a failed mood dwarf to die locked in his shop. Interestingly, I don't suffer a lot of frame death from this central/vertical design, despite no real effort on my part w/r/t efficiency. I just keep everything near the central spine. Recently, I've tried making my initial fort even more compact and in one corner of the map, and then making a more planned and aesthetic resort fort or "refort" nearer the middle once I have the time/labor. Round rooms branching off mining veins and windows on cavern walls and all kinds of organic poo poo, but my heart's not really in it. What I really love are elaborate external and internal security, and the lack of sieges has really been a drag. 
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Oct 19, 2015 23:57
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To give some further idea of my fort design, early migrants are workers developing wealth and improving life for residents and residents to come. The vast majority of later arrivals are given steel and a can of silver spraypaint and give their lives for the mountainhome. Even in a 200-dwarf fort, maybe 50 dwarves are non-military. Everywhere are training barracks and archery ranges, and at every possible chokepoint are forward operating bases. It's easier than teaching non-military skills. My hospital is really, really big and is usually dug out of those early mining levels.
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Solid Poopsnake posted:What I really love are elaborate external and internal security, and the lack of sieges has really been a drag. Same. It's really disheartening to spend 4-5 in game years designing elaborate trap/wall/doom systems and then get maybe 1 group of enemies and nothing else.
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I got to 59 dwarves in a 5x5 plot, and it's already at 15 fps. What do you all do about this without compromising your forts? I could go 4x4, but smaller seems too small.
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UP AND ADAM posted:I got to 59 dwarves in a 5x5 plot, and it's already at 15 fps. What do you all do about this without compromising your forts? I could go 4x4, but smaller seems too small. I go 4x4 (or maybe it was 3x3, whichever is the default on the sitefinder screen), don't do anything elaborate with running water (i still make a giant fuckoff moat, but the water isn't moving anymore when it's full) and make good use of DfHack commands like cleanall, cleanowned scattered and the one that straight up destroys items marked for dumping, can't remember command. But the straight up most important thing i think is to limit the amount of single items you have in your fort, i don't need stuff like 3000 drinks, 4000 foodstuffs and 5000 rock crafts. So i use the err workshop manager or something that comes with DfHack, alt+w on a repeating order. And i set it to only produce drinks for instance if they are less than 300 and only have 200 food in the fortress and etc etc etc for all kinds of things. But you're gonna get bad FPS eventually anyway. edit: i also make sure with advanced worldgen that the underground caves are small and lovely, i try not to uncover them at all if i don't need to with their infectious underground plants and gay monsters trying to path EVERYWHERE Dongattack fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Oct 20, 2015 |
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Oct 20, 2015 00:51
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UP AND ADAM posted:I got to 59 dwarves in a 5x5 plot, and it's already at 15 fps. What do you all do about this without compromising your forts? I could go 4x4, but smaller seems too small. A 5x5 with lots of trees will slog along very shortly after you start the fort. That's a lot of foliage to calculate poo poo about. Cut them all down and it will probably help! Dongattack posted:edit: i also make sure with advanced worldgen that the underground caves are small and lovely, i try not to uncover them at all if i don't need to with their infectious underground plants and gay monsters trying to path EVERYWHERE But those caves let you move every aspect of your fort inside! Even the meat industry!
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Kayle7 posted:Do you guys dig screenshots? I haven't seen any here but I did want to post this one  just a followup to my designs, see i'm always thinkin a new stuff yeh 
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Oct 20, 2015 02:04
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Dongattack posted:I go 4x4 (or maybe it was 3x3, whichever is the default on the sitefinder screen), don't do anything elaborate with running water (i still make a giant fuckoff moat, but the water isn't moving anymore when it's full) and make good use of DfHack commands like cleanall, cleanowned scattered and the one that straight up destroys items marked for dumping, can't remember command. I'm really not close to that in terms of storage, production, etc, which is why it sucks especially. The main problem must be that 5x5 is just too decadently delightful and, as far as trees, I will just say that they're a major component of this current fort.  Also has a 10 story waterfall which doesn't help anything. It sucks because this embark location is so fun and perfect, and the game looks so good with the multilevel view. edit: the cleaning commands have helped for now! UP AND ADAM fucked around with this message at 02:31 on Oct 20, 2015 |
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Oct 20, 2015 02:28
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UP AND ADAM posted:I'm really not close to that in terms of storage, production, etc, which is why it sucks especially. The main problem must be that 5x5 is just too decadently delightful and, as far as trees, I will just say that they're a major component of this current fort. all of those trees are a big part of it. that is a lot of trees in a 5x5!
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Oct 20, 2015 03:55
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I switched to a 3x5 with sparse trees and a dope really steep volcano that I control basically the entirety of, with a brook at ground level.
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Oct 20, 2015 05:20
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I wish Dwarf Fortress would just run better. It's at a fun, playable level right now. More invasions and more FPS, that's all I want now 
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Oct 20, 2015 06:07
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I just cap my population and embark on a 3x3. It is more than enough space for me to do whatever the hell I like. Butcher/cage all the animals, make some sweet digs. A well designed fortress can run a lot of industry with 40 adult dwarves.
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Oct 20, 2015 06:12
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KillHour posted:I know staircase columns are popular, but the physical impossibility of them rubs me the wrong way. If I have a large vertical distance I want to cover in a single staircase, I either have a long flight of stairs (so one tile up, x number of tiles over per floor), a circular staircase/ramp (like the ones in adventure mode fortresses), or I'll have kind of a figure 8 shape. Like this:  Apparently spiral staircases aren't a thing in your world?
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Oct 20, 2015 06:15
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Or fire stairs.
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Spiral staircases would be way wider than one tile (probably) and you can't enter a spiral staircase from any side. I'm very picky about my staircases making sense spatially. Also, you can make them just fine out of normal stairs in a square. Also, nobody would put multiple spiral staircases next to each other. Actually, it's neither a ladder or a spiral staircase. It's a letter x that represents a structure that is both physically impossible and undefined. It may as well be an elevator or the magical lift thing from Star Trek. I'm not saying nobody can use them. I'm saying I don't because they don't line up with my imagination's ideas of how a pretend creature should build its pretend home. KillHour fucked around with this message at 07:03 on Oct 21, 2015 |
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Oct 21, 2015 07:00
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The X is the size of a whale (but only 1/9th of a wagon). You can fit many spiral stairs in that space.
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If I'm being fancy I just dig a spiral ramp. Back before Toady fixed up the soil not being farmable terrain bug, I simply would dig down to the third cavern layer and set up shop between it and the magma sea right off the bat, and dig a really long ramp set so the wagons could reach me down there.
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My fortresses usually have some terrible, ad-hoc designs where everything feels like an ant tunnel, then I carve out giant caverns and give my nobles normal houses underground, I'll usually try to give them their own kitchens, stills, and food stockpiles. It sends a clear message to the commondwarfs that noble blood is important and cannot be bought.
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KillHour posted:Spiral staircases would be way wider than one tile (probably) and you can't enter a spiral staircase from any side. I'm very picky about my staircases making sense spatially. Also, you can make them just fine out of normal stairs in a square. Also, nobody would put multiple spiral staircases next to each other. If your autism is that bad, make a 3x3 box of stairs with the centre as a pillar to represent a larger spiral. Your imagination is slightly broken
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Gibbo posted:If your autism is that bad, make a 3x3 box of stairs with the centre as a pillar to represent a larger spiral.  but if you're making a spiral that big you should be using ramps going around it!
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Tunicate posted:
That would be more accurate yeah. The point is it's quite easy to make something physically plausible. On an unrelated note, I just realize why I really really want either boats or bouyancy; Elevators. Series of pumps and floodgates and you could make a water powered floating elevator.
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I usually have the centre of the column empty so I can turn it into a well if I find water underneath. Unfortunately dwarves end up dodging off the stairs and falling 100 z-levels to their doom a lot.
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I used to keep a solid decorative 2x2 column in the middle but then I stopped when I realized that those impossible little imbeciles somehow managed to lose their transported seeds inside it. I'd get a mystery job cancellation and think "welp, somebody phased their grain inside the History Pillar again"
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I usually leave the 1x1 in the center empty and put high quality statues there, it keeps the dwarves happy.
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GreyPowerVan posted:I usually leave the 1x1 in the center empty and put high quality statues there, it keeps the dwarves happy. I do that, too. It such a nice and easy way of increasing happiness.
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Gibbo posted:If your autism is that bad, make a 3x3 box of stairs with the centre as a pillar to represent a larger spiral. Or maybe quit trying to force me to use a central staircase? I think they look dumb and I don't want to use them in my sandbox building game. But no, I have autism for playing the game the way I want. 
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I think the central conceit of 'it's unrealistic' is a poor one by way of the game mechanics, is what I think people are trying to argue, even if they're doing it in a lovely way. No one can force you to misuse dwarven resources in any way but your own, obviously; me, I go with 'Kafkaesque hive' for my design about half the time. 
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My argument is less that it's unrealistic (lots of things are unrealistic in this game), but that it's unrealistic in a way that I don't particularly like. I also make sure dwarves can only leave a set of stairs on the opposite side that they entered from. I play the game to make cool architecture. The murdering alcoholics are just a bonus. I could give a flying poo poo about efficiency. All my hallways are 2-3 a levels tall because I like them to have arched ceilings for no practical reason.
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Oct 21, 2015 14:48
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KillHour posted:I have autism for playing the game Correct
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Salvor_Hardin posted:So your response to a ton of industrial fatalities is to industrialize the tombstone making process? This is some OSHA violation inception or something. Some dwarves can imagine a life of luxury and vice but in my fortresses we have quotas to meet comrade. Edit- Seriously I wanna just make a little note here that the inclusion of automining into the game was a serious glee for me because it finally meant I could look at idlers and say "BANISHED..... to the MINES!" and have it mean something grueling and useful. Down to the iron mines with you! I smell a coal vein to be scouted. reignofevil fucked around with this message at 15:09 on Oct 21, 2015 |
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Gibbo posted:That would be more accurate yeah. The point is it's quite easy to make something physically plausible. That would be cool if the pathing took it into account somehow. Right now dwarves can ride in minecarts so you could potentially set up a dwarf metro system except for riding carts is treated like a work order versus a natural shortcut.
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I will not be satisfied until Today lets me create futurama-style vacuum tube transportation for my dwarves e: also suicide booths, but we kind of have those already with ☼Mystery Lever☼
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GreyPowerVan posted:I usually leave the 1x1 in the center empty and put high quality statues there, it keeps the dwarves happy. My central column is an 11x11 circle with a large "circular" stairway inside, and space for 5 "things" (sometimes I put artifacts, usually statues). I like the look, and tons of happiness! 
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How do you specifically place artifacts somewhere?
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DarkAvenger211 posted:How do you specifically place artifacts somewhere? If it's an artifact furniture, just like any other piece of furniture. If it's an item, you can designate a stockpile that only accepts artifact quality items of the specific type.
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building good quality poo poo to manage humors is an aspect that I really like of this game but there is too few pressure to do so, you just need a big dinner room with some statues and everyone is happy forever. The only real pressure to do it is for nobles' rooms.
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necrotic posted:My central column is an 11x11 circle with a large "circular" stairway inside, and space for 5 "things" (sometimes I put artifacts, usually statues). I like the look, and tons of happiness! Which tileset is this?
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