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Fruity Rudy posted:Washington Post: Brietbart is dumb as poo poo and their source is one of the holdouts.
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If this could cause a divisive rift in their caucus that would be amazing. You get a weak Speaker and you get one of the worst caucuses tearing themselves apart. Then you have Donald Trump as the GOP Presidential Candidate. At that point I think Harry Reid will reveal his true form and ascend.
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Oct 22, 2015 01:32
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evilweasel posted:Brietbart is dumb as poo poo and their source is one of the holdouts.
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Oct 22, 2015 01:37
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Even if the motion is put forward its as bad as if it passed. The democrats will vote to save the 'sane' speaker and said speaker will be forever tainted as a democrat puppet. Oh no, John Boehner is tainted forever. How can he hope to keep his speakership long-term? I'm just talking about preventing the immediate default here. Nothing the nut jobs can do can cause a default, right? This whole Ryan thing is just for 2017 when the debt ceiling comes up again?
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PostNouveau posted:Oh no, John Boehner is tainted forever. How can he hope to keep his speakership long-term? Oh, yeah the debt limit will get raised. It might not get raised until a minute before midnight but it'll be raised.
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LORD OF BUTT posted:HFC = House Freedom Caucus = Raiders of the Tortilla Coast = insane teabaggers who love death Raskolnikov38 posted:Oh, yeah the debt limit will get raised. It might not get raised until a minute before midnight but it'll be raised. fade5 fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Oct 22, 2015 |
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Oct 22, 2015 01:42
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If Ryan keeps up his current impressive streak of self-awareness and political savvy he'll tell the Tortilla Coasters to go gently caress themselves if they won't agree to his rules
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Oct 22, 2015 01:43
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JT Jag posted:If Ryan keeps up his current impressive streak of self-awareness and political savvy he'll tell the Tortilla Coasters to go gently caress themselves if they won't agree to his rules John Boehner weeps into his pack of Marlboros and big-gulp of Merlot.
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Oct 22, 2015 01:44
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Raskolnikov38 posted:John Boehner weeps into his pack of Marlboros and big-gulp of Merlot. Hopefully he's just taking pulls off the gallon jug of Carlo by now.
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Oct 22, 2015 01:47
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Like if I were him I'd demand a consensus from the Freedom Caucus. That would mean at least 80% of their membership agreeing to vote for him, triggering the Caucus' rule that requires the other 20% to vote with them. That means that either, A, he doesn't take a job that will have people gunning for him from day one, or two, he takes the job, and the Freedom Caucus starts to self-cannibalize when some of those 20% inevitably ignore their rules and vote on their own. It's a success that strengthens the party either way.
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fade5 posted:I think they're also called the suicide caucus, correct? I'd honestly be ok if Obama sent the troops in to arrest the Republicans en masse if they truly planned to throw the entire world off that cliff. The sanctity of our political system isn't really worth the staggeringly huge calamity a default would be.
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Oct 22, 2015 01:51
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Having a fallout from the Speaker vote be that the caucus starts cannibalizing itself will be a good thing.
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How are u posted:I'd honestly be ok if Obama sent the troops in to arrest the Republicans en masse if they truly planned to throw the entire world off that cliff. The sanctity of our political system isn't really worth the staggeringly huge calamity a default would be. Have you considered the fact that having a sitting president arrest members of the opposing party for a political decision might also be a staggeringly huge calamity?
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Oct 22, 2015 01:55
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Caros posted:Have you considered the fact that having a sitting president arrest members of the opposing party for a political decision might also be a staggeringly huge calamity? Yes, what I'm explicitly saying is that -that- would not be as big of a calamity as a debt default.
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Oct 22, 2015 01:56
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Oct 22, 2015 01:57
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Almost certainly not true. If the GOP pushes the country over the cliff, we'll have to spend months or years rebuilding depending on the scale of the fallout. If a sitting president just seized power and broke the constitution over his knee, the nation would never recover (nor would the Democratic Party).
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Oct 22, 2015 02:00
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Maybe a little bit true
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Oct 22, 2015 02:01
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Personally I think a civil war would potentially be a bad thing, for America
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Oct 22, 2015 02:01
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evilweasel posted:the plot thickens: 
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How are u posted:Yes, what I'm explicitly saying is that -that- would not be as big of a calamity as a debt default. I feel like we can avoid a debt default without, I don't know, ending the Republic. The platinum coin bullshit is far preferable to trying to replay Rome.
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Oct 22, 2015 02:01
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eviltastic posted:More detail via Jake Sherman at Politico: Ryan's a chump if he takes this deal lmao
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a shameful boehner posted:Fallout was cool until I realized it was a buggy broken mess with horrible gameplay mechanics like all Bethesda games and not something I would ever ever want in real life fallout being buggy is canon
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Oct 22, 2015 02:03
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All hail Emperor Obamastus
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Scott Forstall posted:Ryan's a chump if he takes this deal lmao Bbbbut they pinkie promised!
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Oct 22, 2015 02:03
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so is paul "andrew" ryan going to be speaker or have the tea party hosed everything forever?
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Didn't we have this ridiculous argument about Obama arresting congressmen last time the debt ceiling was threatened? I thought last time we made bringing it up a probatable offense because it was so stupid yet people couldn't shut up about it. It's not gonna happen. Obama minting a trillion dollar platinum coin for every man, woman and child is far more likely.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:so is paul "andrew" ryan going to be speaker or have the tea party hosed everything forever? It depends on whether Ryan is going to make them kiss the ring or not. If he doesn't, he's a fool.
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Kaal posted:Almost certainly not true. If the GOP pushes the country over the cliff, we'll have to spend months or years rebuilding depending on the scale of the fallout. If a sitting president just seized power and broke the constitution over his knee, the nation would never recover (nor would the Democratic Party). So try "decades" of rebuilding; we cheated last time with WW2.
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Oct 22, 2015 02:05
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" Yeah we'll totally put down the gun" *Fingers crossed behind back*
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They're not going to agree to any of his terms and take credit if he goes through with it what a maroon
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Scott Forstall posted:They're not going to agree to any of his terms and take credit if he goes through with it what a maroon welp quote:Jake Sherman @JakeSherman now
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eviltastic posted:welp
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fade5 posted:A default could send us in Greece-style hosed up-ness, and cause a worldwide recession as hard as 1929 if not harder. So what you're saying is Obama should suspend elections, vacate Congress, declare marshal law and proclaim himself President for Life?
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Oct 22, 2015 02:10
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JT Jag posted:I gave him too much credit, clearly. Or he thinks he has the votes to make the rule changes he demanded, over the heads of the 8. He doesn't care about their yelling if they can't move to vacate the chair.
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fade5 posted:A default could send us in Greece-style hosed up-ness, and cause a worldwide recession as hard as 1929 if not harder. Or it could just be a hiccup that lasts 48 hours while the RNC get told by their elite donors that if they don't square themselves then their tap is going to go dry, and the RNC starts ejecting people from the GOP. I mean the reality is that no one knows. But outside of the  Fallout scenarios, most likely we'd be talking about an instant recession if it lasted longer than the weekend. That would be hard, but not "decades of rebuilding" and certainly not the equivalent of kicking the constitution to the curb.
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Oct 22, 2015 02:11
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It sure would be a shame if oh say 60 congressmen were too sick to show up for a few weeks.
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Well, Ryan is a chump after all.
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Oct 22, 2015 02:12
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The line up for the next GOP presidential debate is.... exactly the same as the last one but minus Scott Walker, who died.
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Not full confirmation of what I just quoted, but close:quote:Paul Ryan @PRyan 2 minutes ago
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Nintendo Kid posted:It sure would be a shame if oh say 60 congressmen were too sick to show up for a few weeks. That would be funny in deed.
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