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Look Abetz knows his critics are obviously poor intellectuals not worthy of his insight and he can prove this as he has already measured the shape of their skulls.
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Eric "What about all the good things my uncle the nazi did?" Abetz.
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katlington posted:Eric "What about all the good things my uncle the nazi did?" Abetz. that was actually his brother tbf
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Suicidal mother pleads for late term abortion at Royal Women's Hospital Date October 22, 2015 - 6:43PM 214 reading nowRead later Julia Medew Julia Medew Health Editor View more articles from Julia Medew Follow Julia on Twitter Follow Julia on Google+ Email Julia inShare submit to redditEmail articlePrintReprints & permissions A suicidal mother of two is pleading with the Royal Women's Hospital to terminate her 26 week-old fetus. A suicidal mother of two is pleading with the Royal Women's Hospital to terminate her 26 week-old fetus. Photo: Fiona-Lee Quimby Barriers to abortion remain in Victoria seven years after decriminalisation A suicidal mother of two who says her life is in a "diabolical" state is pleading with the Royal Women's Hospital in Melbourne to terminate her 26-week-old fetus even though it is healthy. The woman, a 41-year-old who does not want to be named, said a range of factors had eroded her ability to cope with having the baby, who has been tested for and has no abnormalities. She says she has a suicidal teenager in hospital and that her relationship with the father of the baby has broken down. Advertisement "I am struggling with my eldest child's mental illness, my own anxiety and depression, financial trouble and a failed relationship. I just cannot do this again; be a single parent to another child without support," she said. "My children won't cope, I won't cope." The woman is on antidepressants and has a history of suicide attempts and self harm. She has also suffered post natal depression after one of her previous births. She says her love for her children and the prospect of having an abortion is providing her with some hope. "I don't know how I will be mentally if the hospital doesn't agree to the procedure. Maybe in a dark moment, I will suicide. I think about it often." Providing a rare insight into how the Royal Women's Hospital manages abortion, the woman said she inquired about a termination when she was 13 weeks pregnant but was told they had no appointments. Due to problems with her teen, she did not meet the deadline for other private clinics, with the exception of a private clinic in Croydon where she was told it would cost $7500 to have a surgical termination, possibly performed by a doctor flown in from overseas. She did not have the money to pay for it. When she returned to the Royal Women's Hospital seeking another appointment for an abortion at around 22 weeks gestation, she was given an appointment with a social worker four-and-half weeks later. On request, the hospital brought this date forward by a few weeks. The social worker was sympathetic, she said, but also allegedly told her that her case may not be "compelling enough" for the hospital's "termination review panel" to approve and that she could look at overseas options. The social worker also allegedly asked her about contraception methods and why she got pregnant in the first place, which she said made her feel "judged". When she met with a doctor at the hospital last week, he advised her that she would need to see a psychiatrist and that if the procedure went ahead, she would possibly see the fetus' heart being injected with a lethal drug on an ultrasound screen. She would then be induced to deliver the baby which could take days. "They advised that the birth will need to be registered and that a funeral director will need to be engaged," she said. After seeing a psychiatrist at the hospital this week, the woman is now waiting for the termination review panel to review her case on Friday. She said she never realised how difficult it would be to get an abortion in Victoria, especially after 16 weeks, without $7500. "I was told: 'No one wants to do it' in relation to late-term terminations. I was told: 'It's very unpleasant' for the doctor involved, as though it was fine for me and not at all distressing or unpleasant," she said. Under Victorian law, a woman can choose to have an abortion for any reason up to 24 weeks. After 24 weeks' gestation, the law says two doctors must agree to the procedure. The doctors have to consider relevant medical circumstances and future physical, psychological and social circumstances. A spokeswoman for the Royal Women's Hospital did not comment on the specifics of the woman's case, but said it provided late term abortions (24 weeks plus) for "maternal and medical conditions and fetal abnormalities". "The decision to have a late abortion is incredibly difficult for families to make and is very challenging for the clinicians. The Women's follows particularly rigorous protocols in the assessment and performance of late terminations, including care and analysis by a specialist multi-disciplinary panel," she said. The panel was set up about 15 years ago after five doctors at the Royal Women's Hospital agreed to terminate a 32-week fetus with dwarfism because the mother was suicidal. The case triggered investigations by the hospital, a coroner, the police and a medical board, each of which cleared the doctors of any wrongdoing. It is unclear how many late-term abortions have been performed at the Royal Women's Hospital since then. The case this week comes as Democratic Labour Party MP Rachel Carling-Jenkins tries to overhaul Victoria's abortion laws. The MP is planning to introduce a private member's bill to parliament that says women who are more than 20 weeks' pregnant can only have an abortion Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/suicidal-mother-pleads-for-late-term-abortion-at-royal-womens-hospital-20151022-gkfuiy.html#ixzz3pIVeZlGh Follow us: @theage on Twitter | theageAustralia on Facebook
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I long for the day when pregnancy is generally recognised as just another biological/medical state, because it doesn't seem to matter what the gently caress a woman wants to do with her guts there is too much mother loving (lol) paperwork.
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Anidav posted:Demoted former cabinet minister Eric Abetz has used the offensive word "negro" while defending his opposition to same-sex marriage during a radio interview. 
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Oct 22, 2015 13:31
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suck it up atheist left, you made your bed now lay in it with aborted late term fetuses
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quote:The MP is planning to introduce a private member's bill to parliament that says women who are more than 20 weeks' pregnant can only have an abortion Wait what?
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Negligent posted:suck it up atheist left, you made your bed now lay in it with aborted late term fetuses I will gladly perform a week 3013 abortion on Eric Abetz and lay in what I've done.
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Oct 22, 2015 13:49
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hooman posted:I will gladly perform a week 3013 abortion on Eric Abetz and lay in what I've done. Oh look kids, he's making dead nazi blood angels!
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Kevin's become really fat since he left office
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In irrelevant news, feast your vile jellies on this article: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-34600126 quote:Australian senators have grilled foreign ministry officials over their boss Julie Bishop's use of a red-faced emoji to describe Vladimir Putin.
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Vladimir Poutine posted:In irrelevant news, feast your vile jellies on this article: 
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We pay them to debate emoticons? Someone tell Lowtax he has a better gig in Auspol.
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hooman posted:White males don't like being told they're being lovely to people that they're being lovely to. The problem is not just that they don't like being told they're racist, sexist, bigoted, ect. It's their response. The US has gamergate and all its rape threats when a woman dared to tell men they might just have some issues with women. Here, we've got Adam Goode and the totally-not-racist attacks on him. The racists are exposed, now let's end the stalking of Adam Goodes quote:Adam Goodes is being stalked in his post football career by a toxic and racially motivated mob campaign. They're totally not racist and they will hound that black loving ape into the ground for daring to say that they are 
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Gorilla Salad posted:It's their response. In the sentence "White Male Responds terribly to valid criticism" the word "terribly" is totally redundant.
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Jumpingmanjim posted:Suicidal mother pleads for late term abortion at Royal Women's Hospital Horrible situation, sounds like she was screwed around until it came to this. Isn't this a time when adoption becomes a better solution?
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starkebn posted:Horrible situation, sounds like she was screwed around until it came to this. Isn't this a time when adoption becomes a better solution? Okay, you be the one to tell her she has to be pregnant for another 16 weeks.
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Oct 22, 2015 23:30
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Holy poo poo the comments
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So if we go through with this plebiscite, will that mean the ABC and SBS will have to play anti gay marriage political ads? Could they get away with more bigotry (than normal lol) since of course they will cry free speech when they bring out the usual gay people = paedophiles garbage? How are we going to handle this, there's no way this isn't going to get rotten real fast, given the people on the anti gay marriage brigade. What was the no campaign like in Ireland?
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QUACKTASTIC posted:Holy poo poo the comments quote:Given that opinion is not polarised in this way about other sports players who claim indigenous ancestry, say for example Kathy Freeman or Nicky Winmar, it would be a fair assumption to say that it is Mr Goodes, or more accurately Mr Goodes' behaviour, that has caused the polarity. Yes, I remember when Nicky Winmar stood up against the years of racist abuse he had received from crowds and everyone got behind him and respected him. I fondly recall the lack of controversy when Cathy Freeman decided to carry the aboriginal flag on her victory lap at the 2000 olympics.
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Even the Liberal right know that equating gay marriage with paedophilia isn't going to go down well.
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Solemn Sloth posted:Yes, I remember when Nicky Winmar stood up against the years of racist abuse he had received from crowds and everyone got behind him and respected him. I don't think I've seen an article on abc that had such a massive amount of comments all unintentionally proving the point of the original piece.
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Broken Clock Lambie posted:Eric Abetz should quit Parliament with whatever dignity he has left before he continues to embarrass himself and the Liberal Party, senator Jacqui Lambie says.
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Continuing todays theme of LAMBIE I present https://twitter.com/JacquiLambie/status/657330918412038144 
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hooman posted:In the sentence "White Male Responds terribly to valid criticism" the word "terribly" is totally redundant. Ahh Yes posted:What was the no campaign like in Ireland? http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/will-marriage-amendment-affect-children-surrogacy-and-religious-freedom-1.2214358 http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/16/us-christians-no-campaign-ireland-gay-marriage-referendum But does lead to a deluge of really great feel good stuff from the pro camp.
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Cartoon posted:Yeah like radical feminist.  ?
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Solemn Sloth posted:Okay, you be the one to tell her she has to be pregnant for another 16 weeks. That's not a good reason to have an abortion at 26 weeks (when the foetus is quite viable). There are some very good reasons why a woman should be able to have an abortion at that advanced stage, and trivialising this endangers the support for late term abortions for those reasons. (and it's 14 more weeks, not 16).
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Looks like radical feminists and radical islam will get along just fine.
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Solemn Sloth posted:Okay, you be the one to tell her she has to be pregnant for another 16 weeks. They've been happily telling her up to now poo poo she doesn't want to hear. What made me think what I do is that in the article it says she didn't want to be a single mother again. Obviously the situation is delicate and a few paragraphs can't accurately cover it.
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Unimpressed posted:That's not a good reason to have an abortion at 26 weeks (when the foetus is quite viable). There are some very good reasons why a woman should be able to have an abortion at that advanced stage, and trivialising this endangers the support for late term abortions for those reasons. (and it's 14 more weeks, not 16). Please tell me more about good and bad reasons for women to make choices about their bodies. starkebn posted:They've been happily telling her up to now poo poo she doesn't want to hear. What made me think what I do is that in the article it says she didn't want to be a single mother again. Obviously the situation is delicate and a few paragraphs can't accurately cover it. Yeah, I'm extrapolating based on the article that adoption isn't just something she has completely forgotten about, but that she thinks not only can she not care for a child, she can't carry a child to term.
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If you find yourself creating a lists of acceptable reasons to have an abortion you should probably reevaluate your position.
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open24hours posted:If you find yourself creating a lists of acceptable reasons to have an abortion you should probably reevaluate your position. You seriously believe this? So you'd support a woman having an abortion at 38 weeks because she decided she changed her mind about having a baby and wants to go on a long holiday? That's just stupid. Abortion rights are under constant attack and need to be protected. Taking an absolutist position (like the many other absolutist positions so loved by so many in this thread) endangers those rights and gives people like Eric Abetz an opening. There is a huge difference between an early term abortion and a late term abortion and it's idiotic not to differentiate between them on the basis of some abstract ideal. If you don't think there's a difference between aborting what is essentially a glob of cells and aborting a foetus that is breathing and kicking in the womb. I'm not saying late term abortions should not be allowed, I'm saying there should be a much higher threshold, hence "acceptable reasons".
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I certainly think that the primary motivation in whether to allow an abortion or not should be "What does Eric Abetz reckon?"
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Unimpressed posted:You seriously believe this? So you'd support a woman having an abortion at 38 weeks because she decided she changed her mind about having a baby and wants to go on a long holiday?
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Cartoon posted:I don't know about open24hours but I would. I completely support a woman's right to have the final say in what happens to her body and everything inside it. I can't imagine what sort of a hosed up world view doesn't include this as a given. And yet here we are, Unimpressed. That's OK I'm as unimpressed with you as you are with me.
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Well argued. Here have some Clarke and Dawe http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-22/clarke-and-dawe-in-full-sail-as-we-head-for-open/6877474
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I'm glad unimpressed feels women should be able to choose what happens to their bodies, but only up to a certain point. After that arbitrary line has been crossed, nope, you legally have to go through that birth.
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