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My son watched the first 3 alien movies with me this past summer. He's 13 and a sci-fi fan. We watched Alien Resurrection last night. He didn't want to watch it because he heard it was terrible. He thought AR was the scariest of the series. The newborn creeped him out. I couldn't believe it. He refuses to watch the AVP movies. Even at 13 he knows that's a stupid movie premise.
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Oct 16, 2015 12:46
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JeffLeonard posted:My son watched the first 3 alien movies with me this past summer. He's 13 and a sci-fi fan. We watched Alien Resurrection last night. He didn't want to watch it because he heard it was terrible. I feel like a 13 year old should want to see something like AVP. That's when you're supposed to be into that kinda thing.
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Oct 16, 2015 14:31
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Those movies don't do that stupid premise justice.
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Oct 16, 2015 14:35
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Lurdiak posted:Those movies don't do that stupid premise justice. Yea but the 13 year old kid doesn't know that. You'd think he'd be all about that premise.
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Oct 16, 2015 14:39
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Basebf555 posted:Yea but the 13 year old kid doesn't know that. You'd think he'd be all about that premise. Part of it's time of release. No one's clamoring to see Cowboys vs Aliens either although they probably were around the time it was coming out.
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Oct 16, 2015 14:40
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I think I was 15 when AVP came out and I went and saw it in theaters and I don't remember even having a reaction to it. I think generally, every movie I've seen in theaters I have some sort of mental attachment to my feelings leaving the theaters, but I seriously try to remember how I felt about AVP and I just remember 
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Oct 16, 2015 14:46
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I could tell just from the trailers that the entire look of that movie was wrong, and as a result the movie was probably garbage. When I broke down and watched them years later they were worse than I could've imagined.
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Oct 16, 2015 14:53
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They hosed up by putting the aliens in the predator universe rather than the comics/games which put the predators in the aliens universe.
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Oct 16, 2015 15:00
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Baronjutter posted:They hosed up by putting the aliens in the predator universe rather than the comics/games which put the predators in the aliens universe. Agreed. I think it would have worked much better if it was a similar "hunting" scenario, but just on some Alien infested planet where the Predators don't fully know what they're getting into. Not an over designed ancient aliens pyramid/Predator amusement park.
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Oct 16, 2015 15:05
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It's well known the reason they set it in the present day in a tiny temple was so they could shoot the film in a very short time and rush it into theaters to cash in on Freddy vs Jason. But here are just two better premises that were used in AVP media prior to the film: 1 - The predators, who have enslaved a queen into their ship, launch alien eggs onto a human colony planet so that the aliens can spread into this environment and make for an interesting hunt. The clever queen sneaks a queen egg into the batch and things go out of control, forcing predators and humans to ally to stop the entire world from being overtaken. 2 - While digging a new subway station, workers on a human colony planet uncover a huge amount of dormant alien eggs. The aliens begin to rapidly overrun the city and threaten to overrun the world. The humans send a desperate distress signal to the earth-based authorities, knowing it will take weeks to even reach them and that they might be doomed by the time help arrives. A passing alien vessel receives and understands the distress call and decides this planet has worthy prey.
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Oct 16, 2015 15:17
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Lurdiak posted:Those movies don't do that stupid premise justice.
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Oct 16, 2015 17:39
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He likes Predator and he likes Alien...he just thinks they don't go together. Makes me proud! It's a lot of fun watching my favorite movies with him because I'm often surprised at what he likes or dislikes about certain movies. I always have him watch theatrical cuts the first time, except Alien3. T2: he doesn't like the DC. Doesn't like the ending. Won't watch T3 or Salvation because he heard they're awful (they are). Loved Genisys. Aliens: he likes the DC's xtra footage EXCEPT he hates that they show the colony before the outbreak. Alien 3: watched "workprint/assembly" first and liked it. Started to watch theatrical with his friend and stopped 20 mins in. Likes the JJ Trek movies, won't watch the old stuff. He could be the first person I know that likes Alien Resurrection. Must be his mom's DNA. JeffLeonard fucked around with this message at 18:02 on Oct 16, 2015 |
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Oct 16, 2015 18:00
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JeffLeonard posted:Aliens: he likes the DC's xtra footage EXCEPT he hates that they show the colony before the outbreak. If he likes the scene where Hudson telegraphs the existence of the queen you need to have a long talk with him.
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Oct 16, 2015 18:22
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Why cookie Rocket posted:If he likes the scene where Hudson telegraphs the existence of the queen you need to have a long talk with him. Ha! It's mainly the sentry gun scenes that he likes.
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Oct 16, 2015 18:43
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Why cookie Rocket posted:If he likes the scene where Hudson telegraphs the existence of the queen you need to have a long talk with him. "So who's laying these eggs?" is such a good way to foreshadow the queen without being too on-the-nose about it.
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Oct 16, 2015 19:47
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Baronjutter posted:They hosed up by putting the aliens in the predator universe rather than the comics/games which put the predators in the aliens universe. AvP 1 doesn't take place in either 'universe'. It takes place in a microcosmic videogame constructed by the 'Predators', based around their religious ideology. The trouble with the film is that it's actually much too 'highbrow', having to establish this pyramid as a model for the Predator cosmology while, simultaneously, deconstructing that same model - pointing out the flaws in the game. Nobody fully exposits the rules of the game, but the basic idea is that if you kill the 6 Aliens (and however many 'face-huggers') you win. If you fail, the entire site is destroyed. So the lesson the predator teens are being taught is about maintaining a ying-yang balance of opposites, lest the world be overwhelmed by greed and corruption or whatever. What this means is that the entire film is spent cheating. Things start to go wrong because the humans steal the guns and are not willing sacrifices, while the creatures they turn into rebel against the logic of the game to free the queen. Then the hero Predator throws away his personal nuke and helps kill the queen - both acts being implicitly against the rules. That's why you have the film ending with the 'Predalien': the guy was supposed to have committed space-seppuku, and none of his superiors had expected him to break the rules. So basically, they only win by destroying their own civilization.
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Oct 17, 2015 02:01
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For all the talk about Avp, I still remember alot of things about it and I only saw it once. I really can't say the same for requiem. I think the thing I remember most vividly is one of the girl characters getting killed by the disc. That was actually pretty cool. Also, I have a soft spot for Sanaa Lathan.
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Oct 17, 2015 06:40
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JeffLeonard posted:Aliens: he likes the DC's xtra footage EXCEPT he hates that they show the colony before the outbreak. JeffLeonard posted:Ha! It's mainly the sentry gun scenes that he likes. You have a smart kid JeffLeonard posted:Likes the JJ Trek movies, won't watch the old stuff. Show him the whale movie its the only good old trek movie
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Oct 17, 2015 06:53
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zVxTeflon posted:Show him the whale movie its the only good old trek movie That one is bad unless you actually lived in the mid 80s. It's an interesting look at the early environmental movement though.
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Oct 17, 2015 15:07
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JeffLeonard posted:Won't watch T3 or Salvation because he heard they're awful (they are). Interesting boundaries for 'I've heard it's awful so I won't watch it' here.
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Oct 17, 2015 18:35
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Genyisis is by far the worst Terminator movie. It's all a buncha crap I've seen before. Mostly from the TV show.
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Oct 17, 2015 21:13
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zVxTeflon posted:Show him the whale movie its the only good old trek movie But Wrath of Khan doesn't have any whales...
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Oct 18, 2015 00:56
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JeffLeonard posted:He likes Predator and he likes Alien...he just thinks they don't go together. Makes me proud! Other than not wanting to watch the old Trek movies (seriously wtf make that kid watch Wrath of Khan and Undiscovered Country at least) I think your kid might be the goddamn Kwisatz Haderach. 
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Oct 22, 2015 15:03
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I really didn't think Wrath of Khan was all that great when I watched all the Trek films...
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Oct 22, 2015 19:36
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Lurdiak posted:I really didn't think Wrath of Khan was all that great when I watched all the Trek films... I don't think it's amazing but it is a very solid film.
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Oct 22, 2015 20:23
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blackguy32 posted:I don't think it's amazing but it is a very solid film. I mean it's fine, but it's not very cerebral for Star Trek. Even the original Khan episode had more going on. I'm way more into the Motion Picture.
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Oct 23, 2015 20:16
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My favorite Trek movies are IV and VI, for very different reasons.
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Oct 24, 2015 00:06
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Those are both pretty good too.
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Oct 24, 2015 01:11
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I love TMP and II for very different reasons. I place VI and First Contact lower, but still enjoyable. TMP and II both helped define large sci-fi for their era. The effects in TMP were groundbreaking for their time (and also why there's so much time spent in vfx glory shots, not to mention a huge modeled Enterprise which hadn't been on TV in a while). It was also very serious, and tried to mature Star Trek a little bit, for better or worse. Khan is just a romping revenge story done with submarine combat, but again it hadn't really been done with that spectacle before. They're both quaint in this age of film-making, but they were big deals when they came out. I love the old-school tone, where the plot isn't afraid to breathe. Edit: and to bring it full circle, same with Alien. That poo poo was groundbreaking in scifi-horror when it came out. But since EVERYTHING has copied it since then, it seems much less special now.
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Oct 24, 2015 01:18
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The kid seems way too willing to let other people decide his opinions for him and skip things because he heard they were "horrible". He wound up liking Alien Resurrection, after all, he oughtta give more things a chance. I mean, I know he's just a kid, but it sounds like he's already well on his way to Snotsville.
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Oct 24, 2015 22:49
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Any news on the next Alien installment?
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Oct 25, 2015 12:48
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lizardman posted:The kid seems way too willing to let other people decide his opinions for him and skip things because he heard they were "horrible". He wound up liking Alien Resurrection, after all, he oughtta give more things a chance. Snotsville? Hey, gently caress you buddy.
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Oct 25, 2015 16:24
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NarkyBark posted:
Honestly, I can't think of a single scfi-horror that comes close to matching it. So I think its still pretty special.
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Oct 25, 2015 17:36
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Blade runner would be a much better example of something that's lost a lot of spectacle.
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Oct 25, 2015 18:30
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It really hasn't though. AlienS on the other hand...
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Oct 25, 2015 20:12
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I can't think of a movie that does the exact same thing that Alien does and either does it justice or improves upon it. It's pretty much unique, even if there are a lot of similar moviefilms.
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Oct 25, 2015 20:56
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Alien and Blade Runner both are some of the best examples of sci-fi using smart imagery and sound design to enhance their stories thematically and psychologically. Aliens is also really special in its own way by doing that in the form of an action movie. Like the scene where a marine delivers an action movie one-liner, sticks his weapon in an alien's mouth, and the ensuing head-explosion showers him in acid. You get this bizarre double-reciprocation of phallic imagery. He puts his dick-like shotgun into the dick-like alien's mouth and both are showered in burning death-cum. 'Action movies' as a concept self destructs under the weight of its own machismo.
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Oct 25, 2015 21:11
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Sockser posted:Blade runner would be a much better example of something that's lost a lot of spectacle. I saw Blade Runner (final cut) for the first time about a month ago. I don't think it's lost any spectacle, mostly because I can't imagine being more impressed.
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Oct 25, 2015 22:56
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Lets take a brief moment and talk about fandom. This is probably applicable in pretty much any pop culture thread, but I'm posting it here because I have a lot of exposure to Alien fandom, and because I just got to see some of the worst of it on a message board I frequent. I get where fandom stems from - shared cultural experience, and the desire to relive it with others. It can be useful - at its core, we frequent CineD because we're fans of movies in a broader sense, and it gives us an outlet to share our ideas. In the age of the Internet, that ability has never been greater. The problem is the kinds of people that get attracted to fandoms, and the sort of septic atmosphere it breeds. People often lose sight of the bigger picture, and spend more time debating and arguing about minutiae than enjoying the thing they're all allegedly a fan of. You get people trying to force their opinions on others as if they're some kind of righteous defenders and arbitrators of something that exists to entertain and make money. I recently got dragged into a "canon" debate, the unholiest, most toxic and divisive of debates you find with fandoms. I hate them, and my position on canon debates is pretty universally "this is the official word, but please disregard it if you don't like it and just do what makes you happy". Canon is ultimately an opinion, and it should be what you enjoy. Who cares what some other fan thinks, or what some corporation says? But instead I've been (futilely) trying to reason with someone who thinks that their arbitrary, goalposts-changing personal views are literal, factual truth, and that by disagreeing with him, I am disagreeing with The Canon. It's a storm in a teacup, a not-quite shouting match (or at least *I* am keeping my cool) on an Internet forum that 99.9% of the human population will never see, let alone give a poo poo about, where I'm trying to convince him that yes, it's okay for people to have a different opinion from him, and no, I'm not trying to change his opinion and I don't care if he agrees with my view or not. He completely lacks self awareness about what it means to be "a fan" of something, or how to share an opinion. It's the worst example of "fandom" summed up in one debate, it hits every Bingo card checkbox for what's wrong with fandom. It's really unfortunate, and it'll never change.
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Oct 25, 2015 23:36
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The interesting thing about Aliens is that it's a perfect film for VHS - it loses a lot on Blu-Ray. When the seams aren't smoothed over with lowered resolution and CRT dots, Aliens turns into a film about a world of plastic toys and dioramas. The teal-heavy remaster effectively takes place in those Terminator 1 & 2 'future war' scenes - a less-convincing version of Prometheus' Trek-parody slickness.
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Oct 26, 2015 00:36
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